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Originally Posted by
Drachen
He didn't mention investors, employees, or customers and as I have posted before (twice) in this thread. His point was
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.".
Thanks for not reading AGAIN, then commenting like you have any idea what is going on AGAIN!
You miss the point.
People succeed because that person convinces enough of the rest of us to invest, work, or buy his idea. It's a not a "working together" affair. All the people you and Obama believe "work together" with a successful entrepreneur, to make him successful, wouldn't do it if there was nothing in it for them; profit, wages, and value.
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
You miss the point.
People succeed because that person convinces enough of the rest of us to invest, work, or buy his idea. It's a not a "working together" affair. All the people you and Obama believe "work together" with a successful entrepreneur, to make him successful, wouldn't do it if there nothing in it for them; profit, wages, and value.
Which people did obama mention? Also which people did I say?
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Originally Posted by
Drachen
Which people did obama mention? Also which people did I say?
Whomever you two believe are "doing things together" to make people successful.
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lol this is red meat for yoni
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
Whomever you two believe are "doing things together" to make people successful.
Well, the examples that he gave were ones that all of us did together. I gave no examples.
I am actually pretty happy with this thread. My goal was to come in to add context and it seems that people (while still arguing over his point) are, at least arguing the correct, and not some sound bite taken out of context from the middle of a speech. Carry on then.
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He was saying that business owners that benefit from the American system, roads and bridges did not build those things.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges -- If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that (the American system, roads and bridges). Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
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DMX7
He was saying that business owners that benefit from the American system, roads and bridges did not build those things.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges -- If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that (the American system, roads and bridges). Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
Wait a minute... I have been watching fox news and reading drudge report news all day and no one ever put the statement in it's proper context.. I feel duped by the lame stream media
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Originally Posted by
DMX7
He was saying that business owners that benefit from the American system, roads and bridges did not build those things.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.
A government employee against whom there are probably several thousand unsuccessful former students probably now have a claim, thanks to Obama.
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DMX7
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
The members of the first Constitutional Convention are all dead.
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Originally Posted by
DMX7
Somebody invested in roads and bridges -- If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that (the American system, roads and bridges). Somebody else made that happen.
Somebody? Probably the successful business owner and in amounts disproportionately large when compared to the rest of the population. They're called TAXES, perhaps you've heard of them. Besides, last I checked, business owners were responsible for any expenses related to construction of driveways connecting their private property to government roads. Government roads used by all of us; including those that just drive on by.
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DMX7
The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
The internet was created by the DOD -- taxpayer funded R&D -- and exploited by entrepreneurs when it was opened to the public.
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
A government employee against whom there are probably several thousand unsuccessful former students probably now have a claim, thanks to Obama.
The members of the first Constitutional Convention are all dead.
Somebody? Probably the successful business owner and in amounts disproportionately large when compared to the rest of the population. They're called TAXES, perhaps you've heard of them. Besides, last I checked, business owners were responsible for any expenses related to construction of driveways connecting their private property to government roads. Government roads used by all of us; including those that just drive on by.
The internet was created by the DOD -- taxpayer funded R&D -- and exploited by entrepreneurs when it was opened to the public.
So you agree with Obama. Great!
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Originally Posted by
George Gervin's Afro
Wait a minute... I have been watching fox news and reading drudge report news all day and no one ever put the statement in it's proper context.. I feel duped by the lame stream media
Well, I'm glad you agree that's the proper context because, that doesn't make his statement any less egregious.
And, I heard that complete quote on the radio several times today, driving from Houston to Austin.
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Yoni doesn't care which context. That Obama spoke is the egregious part.
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The worship of the rich by those on the right is downright hilarious. The hatred for the government (which is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people) is funny too. As an actual business owner, I agree 100% with Obama's statements that essentially say no man is an island. I'm not so arrogant to think that I could have pulled this off without my government providing roads, police protection, military protection, and many other services that I could not have funded by myself. As a business owner, you get the biggest reward for taking the risks in opening the business. It doesn't make you God, though. Despite all the crying on the right, I also didn't see a lot of business owners in the poor house under Clinton era tax rates, which is what Obama wants to return to.
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mercos
I'm not so arrogant to think that I could have pulled this off without my government providing roads, police protection, military protection, and many other services that I could not have funded by myself.
1) The government didn't provide those services; taxpayers did, of which I suspect you are one. 2) You didn't use them exclusively, either, and, truth be told, depending on your business, you probably pitched in more than your proportionate share of the tax burden represented by those services.
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Originally Posted by
mercos
The worship of the rich by those on the right is downright hilarious. The hatred for the government (which is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people) is funny too. As an actual business owner, I agree 100% with Obama's statements that essentially say no man is an island. I'm not so arrogant to think that I could have pulled this off without my government providing roads, police protection, military protection, and many other services that I could not have funded by myself. As a business owner, you get the biggest reward for taking the risks in opening the business. It doesn't make you God, though. Despite all the crying on the right, I also didn't see a lot of business owners in the poor house under Clinton era tax rates, which is what Obama wants to return to.
What's funnier is that they idolize people like Reagan, who was telling them "Starve the beast!" to their ears, while he was raising taxes, growing government and going on a spending binge on the national credit card...
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Originally Posted by
Yonivore
1) The government didn't provide those services; taxpayers did, of which I suspect you are one. 2) You didn't use them exclusively, either, and, truth be told, depending on your business, you probably pitched in more than your proportionate share of the tax burden represented by those services.
:lol This is where you guys fail. You think the government is some foreign entity. We live in a representative democracy. The government is merely one set of tax payers acting on behalf of the rest of us. A government "of the people" as a famous Republican president once said. The government did provide those services, on behalf of the tax payers.
And it doesn't matter if I am not the only one using the roads, or even if I paid a disproportionate amount of taxes to help pave them. The fact is that I could not have access to them without help. I can assure you, though I've paid a good amount in taxes, I haven't payed enough to pave any highways.
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mercos
:lol This is where you guys fail. You think the government is some foreign entity. We live in a representative democracy. The government is merely one set of tax payers acting on behalf of the rest of us. A government "of the people" as a famous Republican president once said. The government did provide those services, on behalf of the tax payers.
The government provides those services at the expense of tax payers. Big difference.
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mercos
And it doesn't matter if I am not the only one using the roads, or even if I paid a disproportionate amount of taxes to help pave them. The fact is that I could not have access to them without help. I can assure you, though I've paid a good amount in taxes, I haven't payed enough to pave any highways.
The road would have been there whether you decided to put a business there or not. As would have all the other government services.
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Originally Posted by
mavs>spurs
Obama is dangerous to have running the country and that comment of his really sums it up. It's the mentality in this country now. Nanny state full steam ahead.
... spewing right wing talking points, slander, paranoia
What EXACTLY has Obama done that hasn't been reflexively obstructed by Repugs?
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mavs>spurs
Yeah later on down the road after a recovery I would like to see a reduction in spending and start downsizing the govt, but we can't afford it right now in the midst of this mess. I'd like to cut spending in areas like militarizing the police with drones, and spending tons on big data warehouses and high tech fusion centers so that people over at the NSA can use our tax dollars to spy on us. We waste so much fucking money on this bloated government. The pointless shit needs to go, especially the fucking TSA. We don't need our weiners groped and children molested in the name of the terrorist boogeyman, thanks. Just stop arming training and funding them as well as allowing 9/11 to happen and we'll be alright. If our people were competent, 9/11 wouldn't have happened with the measures we already had in place.
THIS..... solid take, B...
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mercos
:lol This is where you guys fail. You think the government is some foreign entity. We live in a representative democracy.
False... it's a republic... HUGE difference tbh...
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The odd thing is that I remember Obama saying this exact same thing before (it might have even been during a SOTU address) when discussing the Bush tax cuts and no one said anything about it. Now, it's a big deal.
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Originally Posted by
themachine
lol!!!!
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Buffet, Gates, etc wouldn't be multi-$10B if they had been born in Bangladesh.
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