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Jon Lovitz tweeted my favorite, so far...and, I stand corrected; there is a success for which the person receiving credit was not responsible:
Jon Lovitz, a Democrat that voted for Obama in '08, went on an epic rant when he realized exactly what Obama's up to. Better late than never, I suppose.
Too much nuance makes for moronic back and forth. Par for the course.
Or a socialist country for that matter. :dizzyQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
There are plenty of millionaires and billionaires in social-democratic countries, but no people at risk of personal bankruptcy and lifelong poverty from medical catastrophes.Quote:
Originally Posted by possessed
Barry didn't work for, nor ask for the Nobel prize. It was given to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Yoni taking his cue from the right-wing thought dictators and running hard with a single phrase as a fatal indictment of Barry.
Water is wet, sun rises in the east, sets in the west...Quote:
Originally Posted by scott
So the govt takes your m money by coercion to build infrastructure then they want to take credit for your creation you built in an environment u had no choice in?
He only even mentioned government once, he wasn't talking about government. The entire speech is strewn with we did this or we did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignignokt
So that means that we are indebted to corporations too?
If I buy an I phone and I invent an app, should I be forced through govt to give back to steve jobs? So then that means the rich have already payed their fair share.
Dwight howard didnt dunk the ball, it was the slave traders who shipped his ass here to africa.
*from africa
Assuming you built an Iphone app, you do give back to steve jobs (well not anymore) to the tune of 30% of your proceeds. Silly guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignignokt
If you subscribe to the belief that black people are more athletic than white people (I am not having this discussion, but I am loosely applying the concepts in the thread to your stupid examples) you could make an extremely indirect (and looooooooong) link to whatever evolutionary conditions caused them to be that way and dwight howard dunking the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignignokt
Robert Parry trashes yet-another GECKO LIE, along with trashing fact-checkers, and the echo chamber of the corporate media.
btw, that means also Parry is trashing the Yoni's here pushing the GECKO LIE
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Mitt Romney’s New Lie
The “independent fact-checkers” might want to dust off their Pinocchios and pull out their “truth-o-meters” in reaction to Mitt Romney’s latest calculated lie, applying deceptive editing to President Barack Obama’s remarks about how public infrastructure supports private enterprise.
This is a clear case where Romney and the right-wing media know what they’re doing. They clipped Obama’s remarks in such a way as to make it seem that the President was saying that business owners didn’t build their own businesses, when the comment actually refers to the building of roads and other public investments.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. (Photo credit: mittromney.com)
In a talk in Roanoke, Virginia, on July 13, Obama was describing the contributions that the public sector has made toward creating conditions that help businesses succeed:
“Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
Though Obama’s syntax is slightly mangled, the context is obvious. Obama is saying that businesses did not build the roads, bridges and the Internet. But the right-wing media quickly lopped off the context. Fox News applied its classic selective editing.
On Tuesday, Romney joined in, telling a rally in Pennsylvania that Obama “said this: ‘If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.’” Romney then extrapolated from this misleading quote that Obama wants Americans to be “ashamed of success” and that Obama is “changing the nature of America.”
“I find it extraordinary that a philosophy of that nature would be spoken by a president of the United States,” Romney said.
But Obama wasn’t saying that someone else built the business; he was saying someone else built “that,” i.e. the public infrastructure that businesses use. Given this clear context, Romney and other right-wing figures know exactly what they’re doing. They’re lying.
Yet, reflecting again how poorly the U.S. news media handles such distortions, the Washington Post reported Romney’s rendition of Obama’s statement without context or contradiction. The willful distortion by Romney was allowed to flow unchecked into the public discourse.
http://consortiumnews.com/2012/07/18...mneys-new-lie/
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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
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Originally Posted by Drachen
This is pretty much the truth, but the fact is that this is a continuing cycle with a lack of incentive to fix it. Startup businesses nationwide (and likely worldwide)would be in shambles if it wasn't for massive financial bailouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
Our federal reserve has given out more than $24 Trillion in financial bailouts since 2007.
Businesses that depend on venture capital including myself, would be in shambles. Credit would be next to non-existent without the surge of government cash these past few years.
The system is broken, but this govt and those who influence it have no incentive to fix it because the same people bankrupting their businesses levy their losses on the everyone else. When it gets bad enough, they even get more money. Some people call it "too large to fail"
GM, Chrysler, Goldman, BOA, and AIG would all be gone at this point if there was any incentive to stop the bleeding.
They should be, but the American public has been duped into thinking that starting over is unthinkable. Tesla motors for example, shouldn't be having to compete with large failures like GM. Yet people have been conned into believing Tesla is risky and GM more viable, no matter the evidence.
It's a big public deception game that certain corporations and individuals are taking part in. $6billion dollars will be spent in advertising revenue for this years presidential election. That's $20 per person, while it's usually measured it cents in other democratic states elsewhere.
There is no incentive to stop it either, since it's pretty evident it's working.
The fact is some of you are more concerned about a 1k monthly welfare check to a family rather than the billions to trillions that have been networked out of our federal reserve system.
Your priorities have been altered with intent.
just a reminder to what he actually said.. I have a feeling the obama haters are going to stick with their talking points..Quote:
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me because they want to give something back," the president said. "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen," he said. "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
The point could conceivably be made that since American citizens ostensibly have access to the same basic infrastructure, that effects of that access can be normalized to about zero, resulting in a scenario where someone could actually build something by themselves relative to the general population. No?
No, because we're not competing in a national market but in a global one. Aside from that I think its a flawed analysis because all Obama is saying is that we gladly subsidize certain services (IE providing infrastructure) so that our society can function. The fact that we all have access to the roads, IE, is because they are a government provided item.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Does anyone think small businesses would be in a better situation if infrastructure was a private for profit venture? I doubt any of you do.
I got the feeling that Obama was not talking in a global context. I understood his message, but I'm just taking a bit of a contrarian view to see if rational discussion ensues.
I don't think any businesses would be a fan of private, for profit infrastructure projects, except the businesses that provide those services. I'm looking at at you, North Texas Tollway Authority.
I don't think he was talking in a global context either. I think his main point was just to say that small businesses need government help to thrive and I believe he's absolutely right.
governments also need small businesses as well as large ones to not only survive, but to even EXIST.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Yeah, never heard anyone make the argument against small businesses though. Have you?
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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs
capitalism is what this country was founded upon, the founding fathers absolutely despised big government. small businesses aren't hurting people. big government is.