"You didn't build that!"

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

the founding fathers absolutely despised big government.

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Some did , some didn't.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Some did , some didn't.

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not true, they gave the bulk of the power to the states. that has since unraveled a lot.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

not true

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Of course it's true. That was a major debate from the beginning and still is.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

capitalism is what this country was founded upon, the founding fathers absolutely despised big government. small businesses aren't hurting people. big government is.

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No one is saying small business is hurting people. But you go ahead and keep fighting that fight I guess.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

not true, they gave the bulk of the power to the states. that has since unraveled a lot.

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You may want to go back and review the articles of confederation and subsequent Constitution if you think they all hated big government. Oh, and the federalist papers.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

You may want to go back and review the articles of confederation and subsequent Constitution if you think they all hated big government. Oh, and the federalist papers.

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How could he know about those? Alex Jones never mentions that stuff.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

How could he know about those? Alex Jones never mentions that stuff.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

No one is saying small business is hurting people. But you go ahead and keep fighting that fight I guess.

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So basically the argument only goes one way. That's probably why you never see the reverse argument and that answers your question.

No, you're making it into either or. Its not either or. Being in favor of a reasonable government does not mean you're against small business but thats the strawman you go to.

There's a legitamate debate and differences in ideology regarding the amount of government you need. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the bullshit rhetoric you hear about Obama being socialist (just fucking laughable) and how we're stifled by government.

Making the argument that small businesses benefit greatly from government provided infrastructure and services is one that should be common fucking sense but the fact that its having to be explained to people shows that Obama was obviously correct in pointing it out.

No, you're making it into either or. Its not either or. Being in favor of a reasonable government does not mean you're against small business but thats the strawman you go to.

There's a legitamate debate and differences in ideology regarding the amount of government you need. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the bullshit rhetoric you hear about Obama being socialist (just fucking laughable) and how we're stifled by government.

Making the argument that small businesses benefit greatly from government provided infrastructure and services is one that should be common fucking sense but the fact that its having to be explained to people shows that Obama was obviously correct in pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

There's a legitamate debate and differences in ideology regarding the amount of government you need.

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Sure. But when the state becomes religion in this country, and takes away your civil liberties in the name of fear, while rapidly expanding and running massive deficits so that they can wage war against you via militarization of police and massive fusion centers where we are all being spied on funded by tax payer dollars, I think it's safe for everyone to say that's a bit too much. Obama comes from a different ideology, he thinks the state should reign supreme and dominate every aspect of our lives. It's the liberal "utopia" described in 1984.

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Yeah, Ok.

I bet you've never even read 1984.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Sure. But when the state becomes religion

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You don't lead with the straw man.

And George Orwell was a socialist.

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George Orwell was a strong believer in socialism, yet 1984 was him describing a "Liberal Utopia"....

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I bet you've never even read 1984.

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He heard Alex Jones' interpretation of 1984, which is basically the same thing :lmao

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

I bet you've never even read 1984.

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Of course I have, it was mandatory reading at my high school and it should be national policy.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Of course I have, it was mandatory reading at my high school and it should be national policy.

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It's about liberals!

lol big government required reading list

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Of course I have, it was mandatory reading at my high school and it should be national policy.

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Because there's nothing at all Big Brother-ish about forcing an entire nation to read a novel.

I'm just wondering why a socialist would write literature that depicted a "liberal utopia" so negatively.

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Originally Posted by CuckingFunt

Because there's nothing at all Big Brother-ish about forcing an entire nation to read a novel.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Of course I have, it was mandatory reading at my high school and it should be national policy.

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lol then you misunderstood it.

everything that happened in that book is exactly the way this world is headed, thanks to liberals. enjoy your utopia guys.

Mmmmkay.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

everything that happened in that book is exactly the way this world is headed, thanks to liberals. enjoy your utopia guys.

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Everything?

Give us some exact examples.