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Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard
Sources confirm @JRudolphSports report that Dwight Howard is ready to join Lakers. If traded to LA DH will re-sign long-term with team.
*IF this is true and goes through, the Lakers gotta be the favorites to win the West imo w/ Kobe, Nash, Howard, and Gasol. Here's to hoping Stern works his veto magic again.
I'll wait to hear it from someone other than Broussard.
That said, You had to think that once the Nets fell off as candidates that the Lakers are/were the only real choice where he would sign a long term deal.
They'll be neck and neck with OKC.
They still need to add more to their bench and a capable back-up PG.
Here we go with this crap, good lord who could not see this one coming here? LA will always get these type of trades and so on! Last year was a year we could have won it all and the chips fellin place for it alot of times, this year it will not happen. I knew this crap would happen, literally.
Dwight Howard is not joining the Lakers.
Yet.
Bynum still has to agree to it, which means it'll have to be a three-way with Houston. Tits doesn't want to sign the extension in Orlando.
I'm also ready to join the Lakers, where do I sign?
GNSFs not allowed. :nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by ThePop
If Kobe is so great why does he need this much help, It's BS :rolleyes
Magic and Bird had a lot of help, and they are so great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan2177
They still have Mike Brown as coach, tbh...
It's not about Kobe. It's about NBA royalty doing what they do:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Duncan2177
Did Jordan? All he had was Scottie Pippen and good role players not 4 star players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venti Quattro
Tbh even the mid 2000s Spurs were stackedQuote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDynasty
Just because you have a lot of help, that prevents you from being great? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Duncan2177
LeBron 2012. :nope :nope :nope
That doesn't mean there's a deal, it just means Howard would sign if traded there. Word on the street was that the Lakers were going to try to get him and figured he'd fall in love with LA when he was there, which he probably would. WHen money's the same, does anyone ever leave the Lakers voluntarily?
Dwight will put them over OKC probably for a year or two depending on them resigning Harden & Ibaka. However I don't see them stopping Dwight & Gasol next year or the year after. Moreover they have Nash running point now. :wow Only team standing between them winning a championship is the Miami Heat.
I would love to see how Dwight responds with Nash as his PG. We could very well see a career year from Howard. :wow
I don't think Dwight Howard makes much more of a difference than Bynum does on the Lakers...even if they get Howard the best addition they got this summer was Nash
True, but Dwight fits much better with Nash as compared to slowpoke Bynum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs4#5
And he could probably start learning some real post game. No offense to Ewing, but I'd rather bring in KAJ.
lol This Dude has had Ewing & Hakeem mentor him yet he's still has got no real moves. I doubt Kareem would be much different, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venti Quattro
But if the trade is not imminent then don't be surprised if Howard changes his mind.
Lakers front office > Spurs front office
The lakers have a history of getting the top players via trades and free agency(front office moves), the Spurs build through the draft and bring back the same team year after year.
Kobe, Shaq,Odom, Gasol, Nash, Howard, Chris Paul(shot down)
All acquired through an aggressive front office
None were their draft picks
lol @ new CBA
:lol entire NBA
Short of the Spurs trading for Andrew Bynum themselves, they don't stand a chance against the Lakers.
While the Spurs stand pat and continue to believe in Bonner the Lakers get better.
The Real Truth, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang
I think we could easily beat the Lakers. They look good on paper but I doubt they will be able to function as a team. With a new starting PG and C and a head coach like Brown it will take them a while to get things going.
If it happens, Spurs are fucked. They were still fucked by OKC being better so it doesn't really change their issue. Spurs ceiling would be to be the third best team in the west instead of the second one.
As an answer to this trade, Spurs will need to sign a random 7 footer. He doesn't need to be great or skilled and will get a lot of DNP CD but he will be useful against Howard to play some physical defense and gives his 6 fouls.
You are talking like this is a done deal?
I haven't found any information confiriming this so it could fall through again or be total bullshit.
If it happens, just do hack-a-howard when playing the lakers to get them out of rythm and send him to the bench. Thye'd just about be favorites in the west if they get him. Fuck.
That said i'd be pissed if they only got rid of bynum for a monster like dwight, if i were the magic id be demanding gasol and bynum.
Anyway, can't Bynum reject the trade if he wants to? Some term of his contract?
No need, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/s848U0C-mAg/0.jpg
Howard
Gasol
Jamison
Kobe
Nash
Fucken hell hey
It won't happen. That's what Bonner is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Darko Millic?? :lol :stirpot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
No, but really, the FO needs to seek a tough physical post to throw at Howard.
If this thing goes down, it is isn't good for the Spurs in the short term (which matters most), at all.
Well, Spurs do need to have Bonner on the court at the end of game to make clutch shots. They can't afford to have him fouling out because they will be toasted in that case.Quote:
Originally Posted by MI21
Jamison will come off the bench. If they keep World Peace, he'll start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russo21
Formidable starting 5, if Kobe allows it to be.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
spurs going to counter by signing ajinca or zuller...
Those are some crooked-ass teeth for a white guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MI21
Darko would fit the bill on the court but it could create some chemistry issues because he shouldn't be fine with playing such a limited role.Quote:
Originally Posted by triggeredexcellence
Jason Collins or Przybilla would be good picks.
:lol meltdown
So the Spurs should not be alarmed that the Lakers are in the midst of acquiring the best Center in the league? :wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
They've been in the midst of it since the season ended.
It doesn't matter what Howard agrees to. Bynum still has to agree to an extension with Orlando(he's already said he's not going to) or they have to work a three way trade and ship him to Houston. We're pretty much in the same place we were yesterday.
Meh.Quote:
Originally Posted by lakerhaterade
Getting alarmed won't change anything. Bynum and Howard are the two best centers in the league. The Lakers look to be better with Howard if he can return to his pre-surgery levels. It is what it is.
The new CBA created a more restrictive luxury tax system and most teams have to adjust their behavior because of it. The very richest teams don't. It never was an even playing field, and the new CBA actually increases the competitive advantage available to the wealthiest teams in the markets attractive to rich, young celebrities. With the occasional odd exception (OKC has one more year before they'll have to choose between Ibaka and Harden), NBA champions will come from Miami, LA, and NY for the foreseeable future.
It's the late 90s early 00s Portland dilemma: there's only one ball. Everyone thought they'd win a title. They didn't. Everyone REALLY thought the ring chaser 2004 Lakers would win. They didn't.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
The Spurs were fucked anyway, so it's not like this move all the sudden rips the title out of the Spurs' hands. Even if the Spurs managed to get out of the West, their reward would be to play the Superfriends in Miami.
:lol There is no answer to this trade. I get what you're saying, but a garbage 7-footer doesn't all the sudden give the Spurs a better shot, at least not anymore than a garbage 6'10" redhead.
the new cba dont mean shit
stern the clown is all about ratings, he will get these fakers to the finals just like he did in 04 ....fck him and his cba bullshit, nba = wwe = loleufa
Howard improves the Lakers significantly, they will be the best team in the west.
Bonner and Zeller on the same team :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
:shootme
did Nazr already sign with the Nets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Shelden Williams is the other one that comes to mind when thinking about some physical inside presence along with some fouls.
Howard is a lot more style than substance, so I welcome his move to LA. Makes the Lakers less of a threat.
...and why this choker continues to remain a Spur is a mystery to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by _JaG
Apples and oranges here. The way the Lakers have been built over the last 40 years has been by sending inferior assets to cash stapped teams that were desparate and/or stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Look at how LA acquired Wilt Chamberlain, Jabbar, Magic, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol - the bulk of their top historical players. The pattern goes two ways - essentially the trading partner received a washed up player or mediocre talent and LA gets a future #1 draft pick. Lo and behold, the trading partner has an awful season and LA gets the first pick in the draft a year or two later for what turns out to be vastly inferior assets.
The other scenario is a player refuses to play or resign with his current team and forces a trade to LA. That's what happened with Jabbar, Shaq, Kobe, Chamberlain, etc. The team on the other end would get pennies on the dollar in those transactions too.
The teams that got the short end of the stick on these trades? The Bucks, the Jazz, the Cavaliers, the Magic, Grizzlies, Philly (76s I think). Generally small market teams with significant financial limitation.
Getting Howard for Bynum would be somewhat of a more equitable deal, but still Orlando is getting pennies on the dollar if this happens and Dwight re-ups for five years. Bynum has got major mental issues messing with his performance.
To say the current Lakers front office is without question better than the current Spurs front office is a little short sighted IMO. SA has never been the preferred destination of premium free agents, and a lot of LA's key aquisitions have been due to contractual differences or contractual expirations. The starry eyed player wants to go to LA for the opportunities outside of basketball. The Spurs don't have that card to play.
If you put Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak in San Antonio ten or fifteen years ago, switching places with Pop and RC, I would doubt the Spurs would have been as successful as they have been.
The only decent player the Lakers have drafted themselves the last 15 years is Bynum. Isn't the draft a significant portion of what a front offices does? That counts for something. Kupchak and Buss play a role in that, don't they?
The good news about the Laker trades or potentual trades would be that both Nash and Howard have material back issues that could cut things short for both of them.
In addition, Baby Drew can put a monkee wrench in all of this. With his current level of maturity, that could happen too. What would really be great is Orlando balks now and Bynum walks next summer to Cleveland or Orlando and takes away the only decent young player the Lakers have.
Nice post. You didn't even mention the little fact that the Lakers will outspend the Spurs by some 50 million dollars this season, inclusive luxury tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Callahan
Howard signing an extension is only half the battle, any word on Bynum? If Bynum will not sign an extension (why would he?) then this trade is not happening....
If the small-market owners really want parity, they'll lock the players out one more time and put in a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts. We'd lose at least a full season then.
That, or the economy finally recovers, the league and its owners start rolling in cash, and the small-market owners stop complaining.
Right, with the local TV deals in place for each NBA team, the Lakers have several times more money to play with than the typical franchise due to the Time Warner (?) deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
The NFL is the only league that understands how to structure its business model for the good of the league as a whole.
The "Haves" and "Have nots" scenario of the NBA and MLB is frustrating to most knowledgeable fans.
I see some relocations for sure - maybe contraction in the NBA's near term future. A least one or two teams will move or go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
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Originally Posted by _JaG
This deal will happen with either Bynum going to Houston or Cleaveland. Tough news for the western conference as this is a team that will beat everyone. Thank goodness we had a lockout ensure competitive balance.
Not so sure about that....Orlando is the key team in the trade and somebody is going to have to take on alot of shitty contracts and give them some picks..Only team that can do that is Houston and I am not sure if they like Bynum as much as Howard to take him on without a gurantee of an extension.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Competitive balance was always a secondary goal for ownership. Once the players caved on the economic issues, the owners stopped pretending that they really cared about competitive balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Plenty of complications remain, but the end game is certain. Howard's long term home will be in LA or NY.Quote:
Originally Posted by yavozerb
agree with the 2 destinations for Howard...Still love to see Bynum slow this process down for a while by not agreeing to an extention with anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Lakers haven't needed the drafted since 1996.
Stay classy NBA.
To the Laker's credit, the only time they were in the lottery in the Kobe Bryant era, they drafted Bynum, who will bring them yet another franchise center.
Dwight isn't Jabbar, Wilt, or Shaq, but he will tip the balance in LA's favor.
So true. A friend of mine was saying "the Lakers don't look so good this upcoming season", and I argued "they'll find a way, they always do."Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
The next day they got Nash, and now this. wtf.
What do you mean Mel_13 ? Can you further explain? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
They didn't do so bad for themselves in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
But the Spurs stand pat :lmao
OKC still beats them..
He won't be winning another ringQuote:
Originally Posted by Duncan2177
No worries..
Man, if this happens, Dwight's rebounding numbers are going to go through the roof.
Especially against the SpursQuote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Stern will make the things happen, he needs the Lakers back in the finals. Lakers vs Heat is a dream come true for him. OKC can't really compete with the Heat.
Nice misleading title. This isn't even news. Howard's commitment to signing an extension has never been an issue with LA or Houston pulling the trigger.
The backdoor sweep by OKC sucked but I'm not ready to dismiss the fact that our current team won 20 games in a row and looked AWESOME in the process. The passing and scoring was outstanding. Game 5 was the killer. We couldn't make stops and OKC found a way to get them.
With more experience from our younger guys and an improved defense, we'll be able to challenge for the West again. They need to stay healthy and Pop needs to manage the minutes of the older guys again. We'll have the depth to do it.
LA will be tough but that head-case Howard will need to get chemistry with Kobe and Nash. It will be Kobe vs Shaq II if it doesn't come together. Howard and Kobe are both Divas and there is no Phil Jackson to promote harmony.
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Originally Posted by benefactor
Like someone said in an earlier post, there's only one basketball, and with Kobe chucking it , it doesn't matter how great their line up looks on paper.
Besides OKC imo is still the team to beat. They're younger, faster, play good D and they're hungry for a title.
With all the expansion teams, the league was diluted from the 90s through the mid 2000s. Lately, teams have had to be deeper, like they were in the 60s (when there were only 8 teams) and 80s (after most of the ABA teams folded).Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan2177
Once teams exceed the luxury tax threshold they have to pay a tax for each dollar over that limit. Under the 2005 CBA, that tax was one dollar for each dollar over the limit. Additionally, teams under the tax limit receive a distribution from the taxes collected each year. The net result is that most teams in most seasons treat the tax limit as if it were a hard cap. In the six years of the 2005 CBA, 15 NBA teams never exceeded the tax. Eleven teams paid the tax in 2009-10. In the other five years, the number of taxpaying teams ranged between 5 and 8. The Spurs paid the tax in 3 of the 6 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by RodNIc91
The 2011 CBA makes the tax more punitive. It remains a dollar for dollar tax for the first two seasons of the new CBA, but will increase in 2013-14 with further increases for repeat offenders the following season.
A team like the Lakers, for example, will be at least 20M over the tax limit this year. Let's call it 20M. Their tax on 20M is an additional 20M. Beginning in 2013-14, a team that is 20M over the limit will pay an additional 45M in tax. The following season that amount would be 65M for repeat offenders.
Only the very richest teams can ignore the consequences of the new tax and the competitive advantage the richest teams have will only increase. The Laker acquisition of Steve Nash is a perfect example. The cost in salary and tax for three seasons of Steve Nash will be at least 60M and could be much, much more. Very few teams in the NBA could even consider such an acquisition.
The details of the luxury tax under the 2011 CBA can be found here:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21
I'm a source.
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http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/c...emele-Hill.jpg........Mike Brown has an embarrassment of riches!
OKC is fairly well-positioned against Howard with Perkins in the lineup, but Howard doesn't have to have the ball in his hands all the time to be effective -- he'll massively improve their interior defense and rebounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by weebo
If the deal happens, I think I like the Lakers chances, though it should be a good series.
:lol, at those thinking the spurs can counter a trade like this..Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
It's simply amazing how LA can just keep reloading even when it looks like they have extremely limited assets (no depth, salary capped out...). Testament to the way they operate and find ways to stay in the mix.
Testament to luck, skill and being a destination for free agents because LA is a glamour media market with warm weather and beaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Assuming the Magic can get Bynum to sign an extension, it's the most logical trade scenario. Orlando can get back 70 cents on the dollar for Howard with Bynum. Anytime you trade a superstar you're not getting back equal value. All of the other offers have been like 35 or 40 cents on the dollar.
:greedy:greedy:greedyQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Exactly...look at the Jamison signing. He could have had more money with other teams but chose to play in LA for the minimum. It is what it is and all the crying and melting down in the world isn't going to change things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Findog
One decent exception. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by _JaG
Let the hacking begin!
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I can't wait for Dwight Howard to join the Lakers, so I can hear the all the idiots next summer comparing Kobe to Jordan (if Kobe gets his 6th ring).
These idiots totally disregarding that in his first 7 years, Kobe played with the most dominant big man of the past 30 years (Shaq). All while, never winning a Finals MVP during this time (3 titles, no MVPs; speaks volumes,tbh).
These same idiots also never ever bring up the time where Kobe had a Lebron/Cleveland-like supporting cast and never managed to lead his team past the 1st round from 2005-2007 (3 years straight years; 1 year he didn't even get his team to the playoffs).
Oh I can't wait to hear the idiots again.
Masterful tank job. Lakerfan should be prohibited from mentioning 1997 after what they did in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Well I agree but I think overall LA doesn't get enough credit for what they do. It's true they have an advantage on locale and money, but they still make smart basketball decisions and build good teams. Orlando has similar city attributes as a draw and NY does to + money but look at the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Not saying LA has the best FO but that they maximize their advantages.
Just have to see how it all snakes (shakes?) out
Thanks bro! I didn't know the lakers were THAT richQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
It's fair to say that the Lakers do a better job of maximizing their unfair advantages than other similarly blessed franchises.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
:lol That's all I was trying to say
Lakers are to Yankees as Knicks are to Cubs.
Just look at the Knicks. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
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Originally Posted by yavozerb
:lol at those thinking Spurs are fine the way they are
I can wait, believe me.... I don't want him to get his 6th ring nor for LA to just pass the Spurs up like that, believe me it will not be pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Their not, last year the stars aligned to make it to the finals and they came up short. Believe it or not most in here that was their last run they will have that deep into the playoffs and within two games of the finals. I love the Spurs but it's over unless they get a younger superstar to join the team and the lottery they will not see soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210