Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Originally Posted by
SnakeBoy
Well first, I think corn sugar and hfcs is the same thing. Did you mean cane sugar?
I didn't say there were no differences between the two. There are some differences between how hfcs and cane sugar are metabolized. The only point I was making to El Nono is that a diets high in corn syrup or cane sugar are equally unhealthy. It is the amount of sugar consumed that is most important healthwise. So drinking 5 cane sugar sodas instead of 5 corn syrup sodas is not healthier.
Yes, I meant cane sugar. Sucrose.
LOL... I would argue that it's less unhealthy to have something with sucrose vs. something with the High Fructose Corn Syrup. Still, I agree that neither are healthy.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Originally Posted by
SnakeBoy
So drinking 5 cane sugar sodas instead of 5 corn syrup sodas is not healthier.
While I don't necessarily disagree, for some fucked up reason I didn't use to gain weight with cane sugar based soda, but I did as soon as I moved to high fructose corn syrup soda... It might just be my metabolism.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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ElNono
While I don't necessarily disagree, for some fucked up reason I didn't use to gain weight with cane sugar based soda, but I did as soon as I moved to high fructose corn syrup soda... It might just be my metabolism.
I'm not sure, but I believe the body converts the HFCS much more rapidly to glucose than it does other forms of sugar.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
While I don't necessarily disagree, for some fucked up reason I didn't use to gain weight with cane sugar based soda, but I did as soon as I moved to high fructose corn syrup soda... It might just be my metabolism.
Well age and metabolism has alot to do with weight gain. Plus you were on a different diet back then and probably not consuming as much hidden sugar (corn syrup). So your overall sugar consumption was probably much less than the american diet.
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Wild Cobra
I'm not sure, but I believe the body converts the HFCS much more rapidly to glucose than it does other forms of sugar.
Here...
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1. Sugar in any form causes obesity and disease when consumed in pharmacologic doses.
Cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup are indeed both harmful when consumed in pharmacologic doses of 140 pounds per person per year. When one 20 ounce HFCS sweetened soda, sports drink or tea has 17 teaspoons of sugar (and the average teenager often consumes two drinks a day) we are conducting a largely uncontrolled experiment on the human species. Our hunter gather ancestors consumed the equivalent of 20 teaspoons per year, not per day. In this sense, I would agree with the corn industry that sugar is sugar. Quantity matters. But there are some important differences.
2. HFCS and cane sugar are NOT biochemically identical or processed the same way by the body.
High fructose corn syrup is an industrial food product and far from “natural” or a naturally occurring substance. It is extracted from corn stalks through a process so secret that Archer Daniels Midland and Carghill would not allow the investigative journalist, Michael Pollan to observe it for his book, The Omnivore’s Dilemma. The sugars are extracted through a chemical enzymatic process resulting in a chemically and biologically novel compound called HFCS.
Some basic biochemistry will help you understand this. Regular cane sugar (sucrose) is made of two-sugar molecules bound tightly together – glucose and fructose in equal amounts. The enzymes in your digestive tract must break down the sucrose into glucose and fructose, which are then absorbed into the body.
HFCS also consists of glucose and fructose, not in a 50-50 ratio, but a 55-45 fructose to glucose ratio in an unbound form. Fructose is sweeter than glucose. And HFCS is cheaper than sugar because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. Products with HFCS are sweeter and cheaper than products made with cane sugar. This allowed for the average soda size to balloon from 8 ounces to 20 ounces with little financial costs to manufacturers but great human costs of increased obesity, diabetes and chronic disease.
Now back to biochemistry. Since there is there is no chemical bond between them, no digestion is required so they are more rapidly absorbed into your blood stream. Fructose goes right to the liver and triggers lipogenesis (the production of fats like triglycerides and cholesterol) this is why it is the major cause of liver damage in this country and causes a condition called “fatty liver” which affects 70 million people. The rapidly absorbed glucose triggers big spikes in insulin – our body’s major fat storage hormone. Both these features of HFCS lead to increased metabolic disturbances that drive increases in appetite, weight gain, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia and more.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Originally Posted by
SnakeBoy
Well age and metabolism has alot to do with weight gain. Plus you were on a different diet back then and probably not consuming as much hidden sugar (corn syrup). So your overall sugar consumption was probably much less than the american diet.
That's what I suspect... I'm here now though... so I'm keeping an eye...
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup are indeed both harmful when consumed in pharmacologic doses of 140 pounds per person per year.
That's a lot of sugar. More than 15,000 teaspoons of granulated sugar a year.
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Regular cane sugar (sucrose) is made of two-sugar molecules bound tightly together – glucose and fructose in equal amounts. The enzymes in your digestive tract must break down the sucrose into glucose and fructose, which are then absorbed into the body.
This is where some people's body chemistry will treat the amount digested differently.
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(HFCS) Since there is there is no chemical bond between them, no digestion is required so they are more rapidly absorbed into your blood stream.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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ElNono
That's what I suspect... I'm here now though... so I'm keeping an eye...
Still, HFCS require no enzymes to break them down for absorption like sucrose does.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Originally Posted by
Wild Cobra
That's a lot of sugar. More than 15,000 teaspoons of granulated sugar a year.
That's the avg sugar consumption in the us.
Re: Bloomberg: Obama and Romney both miss the point on health care reform
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Originally Posted by
SnakeBoy
That's the avg sugar consumption in the us.
Probably because of the soda kids and even adults drink.
