Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
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Originally Posted by
4down
The small biz owners I work with are very uncertain and majorly concerened about not only whether they can hire due to increased taxation but also the the increased cost of compulsory health care now.
It's a choice between shitty and shittier on health care. As bad as paying 16% of our GDP on healthcare is now, I can't imagine what it'll shoot to if Romney is able to kill Medicare. I agree that employer-based health insurance is massively stupid, which is why the rest of the first world has moved onto systems that control cost.
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A promise to take more from the rich is a disincentive to get to that next level.
This country takes very little from the rich compared to the rest of the first world.
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With as many troops as we have deploying to the middle east each day I don't see what current admin is doing to curb the spending.
Not starting wars at least. Not a lot, but I don't trust Romney to hold the neocon warhawks who have a hard-on for Iran in check. Dude's even more of a chameleon than Obama.
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Simplle economics though. And I know there are key differencesin macro vs micro but the principles apply. when you have a high debt load, you either do what you can to increase ability to service debt or slowly pay it down and avoid greater debt. Our man at the helm did it wrong. No other way to put it. He shafted the country by reducing the income stream AND increasing debt.
The income stream was reduced primarily through Wall Street crashing the economy. I thought you wanted low taxes? How do you pay the debt down by slashing revenues?
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Then he vows to tax the hell out of the rich, further deincentivizing economic recovery
:lol He vowed to let the Bush tax cuts expire. Tax rates are at historic lows and we have a wealth distribution of a banana republic. If you want an economic recovery Ryan's austerity measures to pay for the tax cuts for the rich are lunacy, since the driver of the economy is disposable income of the middle class. For the life of me I cannot understand how taking money out out of the hands of people with high marginal utility per dollar and transferring it to those with low marginal utility is going to get an economy growing at a healthy rate again.
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I know no one who gets two chances to screw it up like that. Except maybe pop for keeping Bonner this long
The trickle-down policy has gotten many chances and has yet to deliver anything worthwhile to this nation.
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PS: i know this belongs in that other thread, but If Pop really beloved Obama's rhetoric he would take half of selfish ass Tim Tony and Manus salaries and give that money to Dejuan aBlair Cory Joseph and James Anderson
The Obama is a communist meme is hilarious, considering he's governing from the center-right. The guy governs like a Gingrich era Republican and people want to label him as Karl Marx. :lol
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
The Obama is a communist meme is hilarious, considering he's governing from the center-right. The guy governs like a Gingrich era Republican and people want to label him as Karl Marx. :lol
Troof.
If Obama wasn't so intent on being perceived as a democrat, he'd make a great republican.
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
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Originally Posted by
coyotes_geek
Troof.
If Obama wasn't so intent on being perceived as a democrat, he'd make a great republican.
Which was what I found so interesting about Dinesh D'Souza's movie. I fully expected D'Souza to confirm the Right's assertion Obama is a socialist. He doesn't.
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
It's a choice between shitty and shittier on health care. As bad as paying 16% of our GDP on healthcare is now, I can't imagine what it'll shoot to if Romney is able to kill Medicare. I agree that employer-based health insurance is massively stupid, which is why the rest of the first world has moved onto systems that control cost.
This country takes very little from the rich compared to the rest of the first world.
Not starting wars at least. Not a lot, but I don't trust Romney to hold the neocon warhawks who have a hard-on for Iran in check. Dude's even more of a chameleon than Obama.
I.I.
The income stream was reduced primarily through Wall Street crashing the economy. I thought you wanted low taxes? How do you pay the debt down by slashing revenues?
:lol He vowed to let the Bush tax cuts expire. Tax rates are at historic lows and we have a wealth distribution of a banana republic. If you want an economic recovery Ryan's austerity measures to pay for the tax cuts for the rich are lunacy, since the driver of the economy is disposable income of the middle class. For the life of me I cannot understand how taking money out out of the hands of people with high marginal utility per dollar and transferring it to those with low marginal utility is going to get an economy growing at a healthy rate again.
The trickle-down policy has gotten many chances and has yet to deliver anything worthwhile to this nation.
The Obama is a communist meme is hilarious, considering he's governing from the center-right. The guy governs like a Gingrich era Republican and people want to label him as Karl Marx. :lol
Bro, too tired to rebut all this now, especially with your fancy multi quotes, but we shall talk soon, you crazy commie. Ill make sure to watch the motorcycle diaries so my heart can be properly softened. But am I to understand that Obama is oderate by your standards? May have to watch it twice lol
God bless
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
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Originally Posted by
4down
Bro, too tired to rebut all this now, especially with your fancy multi quotes, but we shall talk soon, you crazy commie. Ill make sure to watch the motorcycle diaries so my heart can be properly softened. But am I to understand that Obama is oderate by your standards? May have to watch it twice lol
God bless
Please rebut when you have the opportunity. I'd love to read your intelligent response.
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
Barry is more right than center... the rhetoric is center-left, but actions are more right than center... :lol
Quick comparison:
Stimulus: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Tax cuts: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Expansion of Medicare: Dubya (check, Medicare D), Barry (check, Obamacare)
Wars: Dubya (check, Afghanistan and Iraq), Barry (check, Afghanistan, Iraq/Syria)
Indefinite detention: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Gitmo: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Spying on Americans: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
TSA: Dubya (check, created), Barry (check, expanded)
Expansion of executive power: Dubya (check, John Yoo et all), Barry (check, assassination of americans)
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
Why does American society shit on libertarians?
Re: MILLER: Obama or Romney? Libertarians must choose
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Barry is more right than center... the rhetoric is center-left, but actions are more right than center... :lol
Quick comparison:
Stimulus: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Tax cuts: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Expansion of Medicare: Dubya (check, Medicare D), Barry (check, Obamacare)
Wars: Dubya (check, Afghanistan and Iraq), Barry (check, Afghanistan, Iraq/Syria)
Indefinite detention: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Gitmo: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
Spying on Americans: Dubya (check), Barry (check)
TSA: Dubya (check, created), Barry (check, expanded)
Expansion of executive power: Dubya (check, John Yoo et all), Barry (check, assassination of americans)
But... but... he said bitter people cling to guns! He likes arugula! He's a Democrat in all the important ways!
