Majority of New Jobs Pay Low Wages

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'm perfectly happy being a Parts Changer. Been doing it for just over 30 years now. I have no desire to change careers. Now being a parts changer on semiconductor equipment was the cleanest of the jobs I had, I have thought of working on medical equipment.

Agloco...

What do Medical Equipment service personnel make today?

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I presume you're asking about salaries and not products?

This depends.

LINAC service engineers make around 70k I'm guessing. Some of the MRI service engineers I've worked with in the past so about the same. Service engineers for proton facilities are usually compensated more. I've noticed that the level of compensation is heavily weighted towards years of experience and less on location or company.

Mind you, those are highly specialized examples. One could work in a more general area fixing laboratory diagnostic equipment and do well also.

I don't get paid enough to write this CCR/CCD shit, that's for sure...

(goes back to coding)

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Originally Posted by Agloco

I presume you're asking about salaries and not products?

This depends.

LINAC service engineers make around 70k I'm guessing. Some of the MRI service engineers I've worked with in the past so about the same. Service engineers for proton facilities are usually compensated more. I've noticed that the level of compensation is heavily weighted towards years of experience and less on location or company.

Mind you, those are highly specialized examples. One could work in a more general area fixing laboratory diagnostic equipment and do well also.

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No thanks then. I'll stay where I'm at. No need to take a cut in pay.

nothing beats outsourcing ur manufacturing/production process to china, who then sources it out to the shits of africa at half the costs of a chinese factory worker with rising labor costs hurting their bottom line

whatever happen to the china fagot motto, prosperity?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

No thanks then. I'll stay where I'm at. No need to take a cut in pay.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

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That literally made me :lmao :toast

The economy is becoming too topheavy..the elite have everything and the poor have nothing. You can't buy goods and services if you make a low wage, so there is less demand for the corporations products. So in turn, in order to maintain profits they have to lower wages even further and cut costs. The elite don't understand that if they have all the money, eventually nobody can buy their shit anymore. A strong middle class is always the backbone of a healthy economy because it keeps goods and services flowing.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I'm perfectly happy being a Parts Changer. Been doing it for just over 30 years now. I have no desire to change careers. Now being a parts changer on semiconductor equipment was the cleanest of the jobs I had, I have thought of working on medical equipment.

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What kind of semiconducter "parts changer" are you?

When I first got out of school I was a process engineer at AMD. I worked in CMP (polish) and whenever I could I would work with the "parts changers" for the speedfam polishers doing repairs. It was more interesting than analyzing particle counts :sleep. Eventually they (speedfam) offered me a "parts changer" job paying $120k, almost double my engineer salary. I didn't take it since my wife was wrapping up her residency and I knew I'd be quiting soon but if I had I'd probably still be doing it, it was good work.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

The economy is becoming too topheavy..the elite have everything and the poor have nothing. You can't buy goods and services if you make a low wage, so there is less demand for the corporations products. So in turn, in order to maintain profits they have to lower wages even further and cut costs. The elite don't understand that if they have all the money, eventually nobody can buy their shit anymore. A strong middle class is always the backbone of a healthy economy because it keeps goods and services flowing.

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middle class and single = gets annually raped when the tax budget comes out each year....

now if ur a middle class with a family..the benefits outweighs being single....

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Originally Posted by Th'Pusher

That literally made me :lmao :toast

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My comment, or Ace's?

Why should I have a desire to move to a job field that has effectively the same wages as mine. I wouldn't start at the same level, I would lose money until I gained the experience for the way those parts are put together.

"Parts is parts."

Most things I have worked on in different jobs were the same types of parts, put together differently. I have entertained the notion of working on Hospital equipment before, but I prefer to stay fixed. For those who like to travel, it's better for them. Just not for me, to lose money, be able to make the same later, and deal with travel.

I like being "fixed station," rather than roving service.

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

The economy is becoming too topheavy..the elite have everything and the poor have nothing. You can't buy goods and services if you make a low wage, so there is less demand for the corporations products. So in turn, in order to maintain profits they have to lower wages even further and cut costs. The elite don't understand that if they have all the money, eventually nobody can buy their shit anymore. A strong middle class is always the backbone of a healthy economy because it keeps goods and services flowing.

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point of gold imho but the result may vary according to the composition of the middle class. we need more small business owners to diversify the components of our economy, while the society can't afford to have a majority of middle class which consists mainly of government employees imho. the shrinkage of government employment is a good part of the bad recession, we got many small businesses absorbed by big companies over the past years and we need to get them back tbh

Fast food and retail - the jobs that no humans want but someone has to do them. They suck ass.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

What kind of semiconducter "parts changer" are you?

When I first got out of school I was a process engineer at AMD. I worked in CMP (polish) and whenever I could I would work with the "parts changers" for the speedfam polishers doing repairs. It was more interesting than analyzing particle counts :sleep. Eventually they (speedfam) offered me a "parts changer" job paying $120k, almost double my engineer salary. I didn't take it since my wife was wrapping up her residency and I knew I'd be quiting soon but if I had I'd probably still be doing it, it was good work.

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I was at the ground level of manufacturing for the Gaard Automation 676 Polisher (CMP). I was an engineering technician. I made design changes that were approved for along the way, and for the 776. I was with Gaards Automation when IPEC bought them out. I left IPEC because they were not living up to their promise to build a new manufacturing facility in Portland. I went to work at LSI Logic, where we had sold several of the 776 Polishers. My current avatar image is a 776. They started instead to build it at the facility in Phoenix. They had real stupid engineers compared to the Portland team. Their product became less reliable. IPEC later merged with Speedfam, basically folded, and some or all of their technology was absorbed by Novellus.

It was the best job I ever had until IPEC bough the company and fucked it up. I even, to my knowledge, was the first to do a CMP process on 300 mm wafers for Semitech, in 1996, on a prototype 300mm platform built here in Portland. One of the perks of being an engineering technician.

"Parts Changer" jobs can pay pretty well, cant they?

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Fast food and retail - the jobs that no humans want but someone has to do them. They suck ass.

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the US never worries about not having enough labors to get the shitty jobs done, illegal immigrants would fight their heads off for these jobs imho. you should feel lucky that you are legal and educated tbh

uneducated people also need to make a living and they need these jobs even though they're shitty, it's not like everyone could get a well-paying job w/o a basic college degree and get married to a mexican wife tbh :lol

Rogue the economy here sucks tho and even a guy with a GPA as great as 3.91 out of 4.0 can only land a couple of interviews so far...ok even though I've only applied to 2 jobs :lol

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Rogue the economy here sucks tho and even a guy with a GPA as great as 3.91 out of 4.0 can only land a couple of interviews so far...ok even though I've only applied to 2 jobs :lol

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nigga you gotta broaden det horizon. apply to more places, talk to more higher ups via contacts. i know you can du dis.:toast

Dets whottt I'm currently doing right now instead of rushing into things..going out to lunch next week with the head of a bank so we will see how things pan out. I seriously do maintain that this economy blows and would be downright impossible for someone who didn't graduate at the very top of their class and have contacts.

college graduates are severely undervalued in the job market these days tbh. we ain't just chasing contracts and paychecks, but also the chances for future developments. if i had graduated atop of my class i'd rather continue my study in grad school and by the time i graduate a few years from now, the economy will have pretty much recovered and there'll be better jobs available out there, and i'll have a master or Dr degree

its not a bad thing to gain some working experience at your job and learn things beyond what's written in the books, just be aware that money is what matters least to your life at this point of time imho. you don't need too much $ when you don't have a family to feed, and smart guys don't do what the picklebreath brothers do- get married before the age of 30

I didn't go to college to work a shitty low level retail job. And before you tell me to fuck off or shut the fuck up or quit my bitching, you should just stop right there because I'm not going to stop. I went to college so I would have better opportunities and those opportunities were suppose to help me avoid working in retail. I was brainwashed by American society to think that a college degree would lead to a more successful life or at least a chance of having a more successful life. I listened to a lot of bad advice and did not think things through and I have paid dearly for it. Do what I have done, then you can tell me you know what it's like. If I could do it over again, I would have done it so much differently. I definitely wouldn't have gone to three colleges and borrowed an ass load of money which I'm never going to pay back. I will be so glad when the people that caused the economy to crap out die because then they will face their punishment for it from God and I hope he bitches them the fuck out. I hope Bush, his cronies, and the greedy corrupt leeches in Congress get their judgment when they die for screwing over and fucking up so many people's lives.

What did you go to school for? did you make good grades? there's got to be more to the story than that. maybe you didn't look hard enough for a better job or gave up after a while. Are you still actively applying to better things? How come after years and years in retail you haven't moved up to management? Some things just aren't adding up.

It's a long ass story but I'll give you a summary of it. To sum it up, I graduated from college right after the economy got fucked in the ass by Bush and Congress and I honestly had no plan for life after college. I've been stuck in retail because I have an unhealthy fear of failure. I don't want to settle anymore. I don't want to just leave my current job and get something that is either worse, the same, or just a little better. I'm not expecting the best job ever or a million dollars. I check the classifieds every once in a while and send my resume to some places every couple of months but I don't do it enough. I know it's on me. And I accept that and the fact that I'm really fucked up in the head.

At my current job, I won't ever move up because I have been told by my superiors that I'm not the promoting type. I've burned too many bridges there. I don't kiss ass either so that's that. I'm surprised I haven't been canned yet because I've called out my bosses at least a handful of times. A couple of weeks ago, I told one of my bosses that I thought the store I work was a sweatshop and that he was a slave driver. I've bitched at my bosses because I get shafted and shat on with a shitty schedule and an unfair workload. At the store I work at, that is a no no. You have to play ball and do the yes and nod and also kiss ass. It's too late for me to change there so I basically keep quiet and do the yes and nod but no kissing of the ass. Lately, I've been tanking or half assing mainly because I just don't give a fuck anymore.

ehhhh you should never piss off your superiors, had you not done that you might be making 50k in middle management right now which isn't a lot but it's at least a living and a step in the right direction. since what's done is done and that place is a dead end for you, you should be actively sending out your resume and applying places. apply to jobs that you know will pay more than shitty low level retail by looking up the pay for that field online. if you truly wanted to better yourself, you'd be applying to 5 jobs every night after you get home from work. and when you finally do get a new job, your attitude HAS to change. make as many friends as possibly and put on a fake smile and at least pretend you enjoy the job, and work hard.

btw, what's your degree? if it's business related, I'm sure I could give you some ideas of where to apply.

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I didn't go to college to work a shitty low level retail job. And before you tell me to fuck off or shut the fuck up or quit my bitching, you should just stop right there because I'm not going to stop. I went to college so I would have better opportunities and those opportunities were suppose to help me avoid working in retail. I was brainwashed by American society to think that a college degree would lead to a more successful life or at least a chance of having a more successful life. I listened to a lot of bad advice and did not think things through and I have paid dearly for it. Do what I have done, then you can tell me you know what it's like. If I could do it over again, I would have done it so much differently. I definitely wouldn't have gone to three colleges and borrowed an ass load of money which I'm never going to pay back. I will be so glad when the people that caused the economy to crap out die because then they will face their punishment for it from God and I hope he bitches them the fuck out. I hope Bush, his cronies, and the greedy corrupt leeches in Congress get their judgment when they die for screwing over and fucking up so many people's lives.

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i have to disagree with you tbh. as much as you said how much your life has been fucked by some retarded politicians' decisions, it seems you don't realize how much the life of natural american people got fucked up due to the overflow of immigrants coming in, legally or illegally.

there're some of world's best schools and colleges in the US, and it was all taxpayers' money that funded the constructions of these schools down to every fucking brick. so what have your parents contributed to this country to deserve the share of american educational resources that their son received?

it was the US education and the college degree that bestowed you a decent life in the US, though not very great. you don't need to take those shitty works those illegals do, even though there isn't much natural differences between you and them. i never immigrated to another country and probably never will so i can hardly empathize with you, but if you were not a complete shameless motherfucker you should relish the american life your living versus a shitty life you'd otherwise live if you hadn't immigrated

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

It's a long ass story but I'll give you a summary of it. To sum it up, I graduated from college right after the economy got fucked in the ass by Bush and Congress and I honestly had no plan for life after college. I've been stuck in retail because I have an unhealthy fear of failure. I don't want to settle anymore. I don't want to just leave my current job and get something that is either worse, the same, or just a little better. I'm not expecting the best job ever or a million dollars. I check the classifieds every once in a while and send my resume to some places every couple of months but I don't do it enough. I know it's on me. And I accept that and the fact that I'm really fucked up in the head.

At my current job, I won't ever move up because I have been told by my superiors that I'm not the promoting type. I've burned too many bridges there. I don't kiss ass either so that's that. I'm surprised I haven't been canned yet because I've called out my bosses at least a handful of times. A couple of weeks ago, I told one of my bosses that I thought the store I work was a sweatshop and that he was a slave driver. I've bitched at my bosses because I get shafted and shat on with a shitty schedule and an unfair workload. At the store I work at, that is a no no. You have to play ball and do the yes and nod and also kiss ass. It's too late for me to change there so I basically keep quiet and do the yes and nod but no kissing of the ass. Lately, I've been tanking or half assing mainly because I just don't give a fuck anymore.

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Your problem isn't Bush or congress or the economy or your boss. Your problem is your untreated depressive disorder. Seek help.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBoy

Your problem isn't Bush or congress or the economy or your boss. Your problem is your untreated depressive disorder. Seek help.

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nah i can halfway sympathize with him, anyone graduating college during the Great Recession got fucked, hard. but by this point, several years should have been enough time to get on a better path. i see the recession as the difference between having a job waiting when you get out of school, and possibly having to look for anywhere between a few months and a year. but to waste several years and still be in the same spot is the part that's his fault, he needs to work harder and yes like you said seek help.