Yikes
Keynote: Julian Castro
Joe Biden
Cory Booker
Bill Clinton
Charlie Crist
Rahm Emanuel
Sandra Fluke
Tim Kaine
Caroline Kennedy
Michelle Obama
Martin O'Malley
Elizabeth Warren
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Keynote: Julian Castro
Joe Biden
Cory Booker
Bill Clinton
Charlie Crist
Rahm Emanuel
Sandra Fluke
Tim Kaine
Caroline Kennedy
Michelle Obama
Martin O'Malley
Elizabeth Warren
At least they have Bill
And the architect of the wildly popular "you didn't build that"
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Charlie should deliver us enough Florida votes to win the State :toast
he should be effective enough top appeal to the elderly independents to help them see past republican lies, obstructionism, and flat out treason
That's a pretty solid lineup tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Groomin Castro for a senate run.
And no celebrity guest appearances bringing the awkwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
"you didn't build that"Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
How's that Fox Repug Propaganda Kool-Aid going down? substantial and nourishing? makes you smarter or dumber? :lol
Lol @ fake enthusiasm
I guess they have to let Biden speak? :lmao
Why do democrats always feel they have to let Caroline "You Know" Kennedy speak?
Just looking at that lineup puts me to sleep. Who honestly doesn't already know the empty crap they are all going to say? Empty promises, lies, pandering, exaggerations and pretending to be tough and caring. But none will come to fruition because they lost their backbone long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Sad they are using a Kennedy to speak just to try to give themselves some credibility when this fraud of a President has never been, is not, and never will be anything remotely close to what JFK or RFK ever was, not in his dreams. What an insult. But the crowd and morons across the nation will cheer as if he is, being fooled by words just like words fooled them 4 years ago. In the end we will just get more dead children in the world, more of a police state, more NDAA...and more of the right dictating what they want him to do and him following orders because he's a weak sellout piece of shit sissy excuse of a President.
The only one I'm interested in listening to is Julian Castro (which is only being used for the Latino vote), but seriously, they already told him what to say, so I don't even know why I'm looking forward to his speech. I guess I have hope that a young new guy will have some real honest ideas and care about doing something for this country, but who am I kidding? Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. He'll owe Obama for giving him the stage, so that can't end well in the long run. Hope I'm wrong on Julian. I root for him to be a good guy. We shall see.
"The only one I'm interested in listening to is Julian Castro "
Same here, but only because he is local. Pretty tall order (keynote) for such a greenhorn.
I actually think he'll do a great job and impress. But his words will be in support of Obama and that will be excruciating to listen to. But I know he's doing it to advance his own political career. Good for him, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Obama turns to technology during convention
When the Democratic Party's national convention opens this week, President Barack Obama's target audience won't be in the crowd. It will be the small sliver of undecided voters in battleground states who will be critical to the outcome of what the polls show is a tight race with two months to go.
Obama's campaign will turn to technology to get some of those voters engaged in the convention. The campaign will stream the entire event online, incorporate voter comments into the feed, and have convention attendees interact electronically with those watching on the Internet and mobile devices.
It's an attempt to recapture the Obama team's insurgent, grassroots appeal from 2008, when the campaign set new standards for using technology in politics. The high-tech engagement also helps the campaign capture data on voters that can be used for registration drives and get out the vote efforts.
Targeting Hispanics, the convention will be streamed online simultaneously in Spanish. Obama is hoping his sizeable advantage over Republican rival Mitt Romney with Hispanics will help him win key battleground states in the West, as well as Florida and Virginia.
Republicans also streamed much of their convention on YouTube, though the feed was not interactive.
The move to online streaming comes as television networks cut back on their convention coverage. TV viewership was down during last week's Republican convention; about 30 million people watched Romney's acceptance speech, compared to 40 million who saw Sen. John McCain accept the GOP nomination in 2008.
Starting Tuesday, a parade of high-profile speakers will stand on a blue-carpeted stage in Charlotte's Time Warner Cable Arena to vouch for Obama's economic agenda, which his team says is focused on the middle class: ending tax cuts for the rich and reducing the debt, while spending more on education, energy and infrastructure.
Several voters — called "American Heroes" by Obama's team — also will speak at and appear in videos at the convention, putting a human face on Obama's program.
The Democratic National Convention starts less than a week after Republicans gathered in Tampa, Fla., to nominate Romney as the party's presidential candidate. Democrats hope that by holding their convention second, Obama can emerge with momentum on his side as the race for the White House bounds into its final stretch.
Obama will largely be responsible for generating that momentum. He will close the convention Thursday night with a speech in an outdoor football stadium, just as he did in 2008. Mindful of the comparisons to four years ago, Obama's campaign is scrambling to ensure that the 74,000-seat stadium is filled to capacity. The largest crowd Obama has drawn during the 2012 campaign is about 14,000 people, far less than the jaw-dropping crowds he attracted in the 2008 campaign.
Aides say Obama won't ignore the economic woes that have defined his four years in the White House. But they say he plans to focus largely on the future, and why he believes his policies will succeed in a second term.
Obama isn't expected to outline any new policy proposals. Instead, he plans to make the case for continuing what he has started. And he is expected to double down on agenda items, such as immigration and tax reforms, that gained little traction during his four years in office.
"When the convention is over, folks with be left with a clear road map of where he thinks America needs to go," said Stephanie Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager. "And it will be clear what his focus will be in an Obama second term."
Working against Obama: the nation's 8.3 percent unemployment rate, sluggish economic growth and fears the economy could slip back into a recession.
There's also a general malaise. An Associated Press-GfK poll conducted earlier this month showed 60 percent of registered voters say the country is heading in the wrong direction, while just 35 percent say it is heading in the right direction.
The convention opens Tuesday with first lady Michelle Obama, whose popularity far surpasses her husband's, as a featured speaker. San Antonio, Texas, Mayor Julian Castro also is slated for that night. He will be the first Hispanic to deliver the Democratic convention's keynote address. Their roles on the convention's opening night are part of Democrats' efforts to shore up support among women and Hispanics, two crucial voting blocs where Obama holds an advantage over Romney.
Mrs. Obama is expected to make the case that Obama is the best candidate to advocate on behalf of the middle class because he has experienced their struggles himself.
Many voters already have heard Mrs. Obama's stories about her husband being raised by a single mother and his grandparents or having struggled to pay off student loans.
But she is emphasizing them again in this campaign in hopes of drawing a contrast with Romney's privileged upbringing.
Polls show voters think Obama understands the economic issues that are important to them better than Romney, even though the Republican has an edge on who voters believe is better suited to manage the economy.
Former President Bill Clinton, who is emerging as one of the campaign's most effective surrogates, will headline the convention Wednesday and formally nominate Obama. He hopes to remind voters of the flush economy he presided over and make the case that Obama's policies will lead to similar results.
Vice President Joe Biden and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry will address the large stadium crowd Thursday night before Obama speaks.
Kerry, seen as a potential second-term secretary of state under Obama, will try to capitalize on the Democratic Party's rare advantage on national security issues. He is expected to trumpet Obama's decision to order the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the president's plan to end the Afghanistan war, a sharp contrast to Republicans who rarely mentioned the war during their convention or the tens of thousands of troops still engaged in combat.
Obama's young daughters start school in Washington next week and are not expected to have a formal role at the gathering. But they could come to Charlotte Thursday night for their father's acceptance speech.
http://mobile.sfgate.com/sfchron/db_...l=true#display
:lol People who think that lineup is "boring" are people who already disagree with Obama.
Conventions aren't for appealing to the other side of the spectrum. They're for solidifying the base and occasionally for reaching out to independents.
By nature of the fact that there are no "mystery speakers" who turn out to be senile actors with unprepared speeches, this convention is already better than the Republican one.
Ever wonder why the Repugs had NOBODY from dubya/dickhead's disastrous epoch speaking last week?
Maybe, but I don't see how that makes a point for you. A lot of people disagree with him for very valid reasons, his empty rhetoric is boring and tired. His weakness versus the Republicans is a disgrace. His bombing of innocent families is unforgivable. Maybe some people aren't fools and people already know what they are getting, including many voters in the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
Because they suck tooQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Somebody should've told Clint what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Meh, Clint neither helped or hurtQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartleby
Entertaining, if only for its weirdness
"Clint neither helped or hurt"
Clint was supposed to help, and Gecko needs a LOT of help
Clint did hurt himself, at least to younger viewers, and he did hurt the convention by taking up time in the 1 hour of national broadcast coverage than could have been used MUCH better.
Sept. 1: Romney’s Convention Bounce Appears Middling So Far
The Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla. received mediocre television ratings — and the polling data so far suggests that it may produce only a modest bounce in the polls for Mitt Romney.
The most favorable number for Mr. Romney is from the Rasmussen Reports tracking poll. That survey showed him pulling into a 3-point lead against President Obama on Saturday. All of the interviews in the Rasmussen poll were conducted after the convention began, although only about one-third were conducted after Mr. Romney’s acceptance speech on Thursday night.
The Rasmussen poll represents a 5-point swing toward Mr. Romney from the polling firm’s final survey before the conventions, when it had Mr. Obama ahead by two points. But it does not read quite as strongly for him as compared to the long-term average of Rasmussen polls, which have had Mr. Romney ahead by about one percentage point on average over the past 60 days.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...er=rss&emc=rss
Rasmussen! :lol
When will they repeat their 2008 prediction a few weeks before the election that the Repug ticket would win in a landslide? :lol
Seems no better or worse than what the Republicans had to offer. I'll be interested to hear what Castro and Booker have to say as they are the future of the Democratic Party. I'm sure Clinton will give a good speech.
That's only because their senile guy with an unprepared speech is the Vice President, tbh.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
They should include an empty chair that "speaks to" a cardboard cutout of Romney. The voice of said chair should be that of Samuel Jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I'll be interested to see the underlying theme across the DNC. It was clear the RNC goal was to "humanize" Romney and harp on Obama's failure while talking in generalities about their plan.
How much of the convention will focus on the president's successes? Future plan? The "other guy's" outdated ones?
I'd love to see the Dems list each Repug convention lie and trash it.
Alot on successes and future plans while painting Republicans as backward obstructionists. Theme will be about the choice to go forward or backwards probably. Abortion will be brought up along with Ryan and Romney. Afghanistsn and how Romney wants to go to war with Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by AFBlue
CHARLOTTE, NC - SEPTEMBER 02: San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro (L) stands on stage at the podium with his brother Juan Castro during preparations for the Democratic National Convention at Time Warner Cable Arena on September 2, 2012 in Charlotte, North Carolina. The DNC that will start on September 4 and run through September 7, will nominate U.S. President Barack Obama as the Democratic presidential candidate. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
http://www.kens5.com/news/slideshows...ry=y&c=y&ref=/
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Does Joaquin go by Juan now, or was there a triplet we never knew about?Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
I'd understand if it was a national outlet who made this mistake (I assume it is... never heard Joaquin go by Juan)... but KENS5?!?!?
I am going to watch exactly the same amount of this convention as I did the RNC.
Me too... e.g., I'll catch the most embarrassing speech on youtube later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
:lmao @ Julian Castro winning a senate race in Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
According to Wiki, the list is a bit larger...
Tuesday, September 4 - Michelle Obama and Julián Castro
The speakers for the day include:
Independent Governor Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island
Former President Jimmy Carter via video
First Lady Michelle Obama
Julian Castro, mayor of San Antonio.
Wednesday, September 5 - Elizabeth Warren and Bill Clinton
The speakers for the day include:
Democratic Senate candidate for Massachusetts Elizabeth Warren
Former President Bill Clinton
Thursday, September 6 - Joe Biden and Barack Obama
The speakers for the day include:
U.S. Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts
Vice President Joe Biden
President Barack Obama
Other scheduled speakers include:
Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin
Newark Mayor Cory Booker
Former Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida, an ex-Republican who endorsed President Obama's re-election bid, has been given a speaking spot.
Former Assistant Secretary, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Tammy Duckworth
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel
Georgetown Law School Graduate Sandra Fluke
Charlotte Mayor Anthony Foxx
Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm
California Attorney General Kamala Harris
Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper
Montana State Superintendent of Public Instruction Denise Juneau
Former Virginia Governor Tim Kaine
President of NARAL Pro-Choice America Nancy Keenan
Author and daughter of former President Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy
Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy (ret.)
Women’s rights activist Lilly Ledbetter
Congresswoman Barbara Lee of California
CarMax co-founder and former CEO Austin Ligon
Obama Campaign Co-Chair Eva Longoria
Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy
Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter
U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, together with the Democratic women of the U.S. Senate
Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley
Houston Mayor Annise Parker
Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick
President of Planned Parenthood Action Fund Cecile Richards
Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak
Journalist Cristina Saralegui
Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer
Costco co-founder and former CEO Jim Sinegal
Former Ohio Governor Ted Strickland
Los Angeles Mayor, Democratic Convention Chair Antonio Villaraigosa
Biden Still Waiting To Be Told Where Convention Is
Vice President Joe Biden said today that he “can’t wait” to deliver his speech at the 2012 Democratic Convention, but that he still has not been told where the gathering will take place.
“I guess I could Google it,” he said, “but my Internet stopped working a few weeks ago, and I’ve had a heck of a time getting it fixed.”
Mr. Biden said he expects someone to tell him the details about the convention “any day now,” but, in the meantime, he is working on his Convention speech, which he guarantees “is going to blow people away.”
“I was all set to read from a prepared text, but then Clint Eastwood’s thing really raised the bar,” he said. “I’m seeing this Convention as a chance to showcase my amazing improv chops.”
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...#ixzz25N58ItNw
I like Castro! Hes dreamy!
Obama's gonna open the border in his second term and all of a sudden the crackers gonna be the minority in Texas, RT.Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
I thought he already did, tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I expected a Mexican-heritage Hispanic to make it tbh, considering Obama leads the League in Deportations.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Nah, we have plenty of dead white people who will cancel out their votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
True, but he's gonna charter Greyhound buses into Matamoros, Juarez, Buenos Aires, Mexicali, Tijuana, etc to bring in more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Do people actually sit and watch these things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Only if he moves to another state. Republicans will carry the senate in Texas for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Not true. I will be watching the entire convention. I watch them every four years and I decided not to vote republican because of the convention 4 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
Republicans rolled out some interesting governors and young leaders who I thought gave pretty good speeches. I was suprised by Suzana Martinez, Sandoval, Mia Love, Ted Cruz, Rice. I enjoyed Rubio and Romeny as well as the govenor of Puerto Rico.
I see only two speakers that spark my interest in Booker and Castro right now. I admit, there are many speakers that I am not familar with. I certainly did not know much of Martinez and Sandoval until last week.
judging speakers by the ghost-written, heavily scripted speeches in a heavily hedged, managed nominating convention is useless compared to what they've actually done and said, their polices. eg, Ted Cruz is an exceptionally scaray tea bagger. TX and the South are extremely well blessed with tea bagger, nutcase assholes, who appeal to the blessed abundance of tea bagger, ignorant, nutcase asshole voters.
Boutons has spoken..."the original asshole"! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
:lol:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Loved the tribute to Ted Kennedy where it showed Romney in the video supporting abortion:lol
I'll be watching our Mayor just because he's our mayor.
Then I'll rely on Comedy Central for the rest of my coverage :lol
Kal Penn > Clint Eastwood
Kal Penn brought the goods.
Lilly... All "men" are created equal -- sorry. :(
LOL people actually watch this stupid shit?
Castro 2020!
Attending the Republican Convention must be similar to attending a Utah Jazz game.
Paying tribute to Ted when there's a "war on women" -- the ironyQuote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
With the cheating that went on this year, it's more like a 2002 Lakers/Kings game, tbh....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
I just have to ask, who was that supermodel sitting to the right of his family in the brown dress? LOL
Edit, I was trying to find a time in the video posted above, but they didn't show her. They kept showing her on CNN.
I just want to know what search term a paulbot had to put into google to come up with that current tv clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Julian did well. Michelle did better.
Not sure of you're talking about Joaquin Castro's girlfriend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drachen
Anna Flores, she's a hottie :tu
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/ima...EeGLk8T0qxyNEw
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._2289231_n.jpg
Those people on Current make it sound like the speech was orgasmic for them. Typical koolaid drinkers. On FOX News, they jizz for Romney and the cheesehead. On Current and MSNBC, they have a lovefest for Barry and his woman.
I thought Castro's talk was good. It was pretty much Rubio 2.0. They shared similar stories about their parents and grandparents, coming from nothing, working hard so they could someday speak from the microphone.
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Originally Posted by elbamba
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Originally Posted by Rosie Castro
Dude's mom said this and he's on his 2nd term as mayor of S.A.?
Now THAT is a skilled politician.
That's the one, she looked better on TV, but she is still very attractive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
You don't have to be a skilled politician to have someone in your family believe that and win in San Antonio. There's probably a pretty good percentage of the population that agrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Bla bla bla, cynical bullshit bla, bla bla bla, uninformed bla, bla bla bla, RON PAUL WHOO bla bla bla.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
:sleep
Yer boring me. Find a new schtick.
Dur, that is the obvious explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
I couldn't possibly be because the people of San Antonio care a bit more about what he does as mayor and the results, than what his mother thinks or experienced growing up.
Leave it to you to bring the fucktard partisan bullshit, all the time, any time.
That is a remarkably good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Wonder why that might be?
Actually, Castro is the one that just made the partisan declaration.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
A lot of moderates like me didn't like it either, and I voted for him last time.
Fuck him and his pre-K tax hike self promoting political bullshit. I'm voting against that shit and probably against him next time around.
Yes, pre-K for kids is partisan. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
It is the height of extremism to think that it might be a good thing to invest in educating and caring for children.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64...DaveBowman.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
the fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I am absolutely FOR pre-K education.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I am absolutely AGAINST it being done by the fucking City of San Antonio when we already have educational bureaucracies and funding mechanisms in place to provide the same service.
GFY
Didn't we hash this out in another thread?
Well I didn't know that but I just got a lot of Respect for Rosie Castro. I feel the exact same way about that place.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Meh, read into it and all it is seems to be more blame the victim, goverment is always bad, taxes suck, propaganda group think.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...al-3766860.php
Par for the course from the right in this country.
You don't have any solutions, other than simply to worship the magic god of the free market harder in the hopes that something will fall from the sky and fix all of our problems.
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Originally Posted by Republican letter opposign the vicious partisan pre-K tax
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201988Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
I dunno I stopped paying attention. Reading the steady stream of conservative bullshit is like subjecting oneself to a bukkake of stupid, not unlike reading 9-11 conspiracy websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
RG i can understand the frustration but you're pretty in the wrong here.
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
motivated reasoners tune out anything they think they *might* disagree with. pity tho. that was a pretty good thread, I thought.
TB thats unfair as shit too. You're going to tell me that you view butons posts with an open mind? HA!
Aopparently it falls into the bukkake of stupid category. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/...s/facepalm.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Actually, if you bother to look, bouton's and I agree on a good many things.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I don't what you are doing with this eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I don't think that he is against pre-k for kids, I think he is against the funding/operational mechanism. I am too. Though I can't say that I would make the claim that it is a partisan thing to try to use city government to fill in the blanks where the state is not living up to its obligations. In fact there is a very very very public example of the Republicans doing the same type of thing over in that land called AZ. I feel like Castro is doing an otherwise fine job, so I won't vote against him next time due to one issue, but that is just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
RG engaged some of the worst people to engage on this board for far too long and took it seriously. I'm not surprised that he's fed up and I think his comments and frustrations are correct. There are many many many posters here who are pretty much doing nothing but pelting others with bullshit over and over and over again. Thats not to say thats all the posters of any specific leaning here (I feel the idiots comprise both sides) but I do feel the idiots outweight those who display objectivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
:lmao :lmao :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
This was good.
ok, tell me why.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
All I have really seen so far is the typical knee-jerk reaction that dismisses out of hand any possibility that the costs are more than outweighed by the benefits.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
When all else fails...drop a race bomb or compare people to 9/11 nutters. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
:bangQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Because its been discussed in another thread and thats not whats going on at all. Its not like SA has a history of being some well run education mecca.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Tied in nicely with my previous point though.Quote:
Originally Posted by leemajors
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Originally Posted by Dumbin's usual bullshit
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
SMH at the usual suspect's inability to see past their own viewpoints and understand why anybody might have the gall to think about historical events differently than the mindless aping of what they were told about them in movies as kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I couldn't find the picture showing the "brown/black/white" water fountain that hispanics and mexicans were subjected to by white Texans.
Better?
I can agree with that.:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
If I remember correctly, CC supported the ends (more kids in pre-k), but wanted it to go through existing channels (the districts who already have the infrastructure) and existing funding channels (increased property taxes).Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I don't know if this was CC or someone else, but I think they wanted it to include all pre-k age kids (rather than those who should already be being served by the state like castro's bill).
I pretty much agree with all of the above.
Single Payer, Renewable Energy, Coffee (It counts! :lol) for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
The funding mechanism is a 1/8 penny tax increase, generally paid for by people who would most benefit from it in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drachen
Again, not sure what I missed.
I will read further in the other thread, as I have a feeling there is more, based on what Manny said.