Republican crocodile tears about non-existant voter fraud have suckered a lot of people into thinking they give a shit about it.
The reality is that the only problem voter ID laws are really intended to solve is that some groups targeted by these laws tend to vote for Democrats.
All you have to do to peek behind the mountain of bullshit concerns about voter fraud, is look at what they tell each other when they are talking to each other, and not trying to trick independents into thinking it is a good idea:
When asked about whether ANY election in his state was EVER materially affected by voter fraud... he backpedaled faster than a unicyclist at a cliff's edge, and completely dodged, and continues to dodge, commenting on it.
18 seconds of truth. That's all it takes to show this cynical Republican bullshit for what it is.
09-06-2012
Clipper Nation
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Republicans are THE biggest voter fraudsters, tbh..... the vote-flipping during the primaries and the rigged voice vote and disenfranchising of Paul delegates at the RNC prove it.....
09-06-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Republican crocodile tears about non-existant voter fraud have suckered a lot of people into thinking they give a shit about it.
I have given serious thought about it ever since the left accused the electronic voting machines of being rigged by republicans. Then it turns out Bush wins in Ohio in 2004 and has three voting systems. A clear win on both the other two voting systems that have been in place for years, and a clear win on the electronic systems for Kerry. Looks like someone rigged these machines for democrats!
Now keep inn ind this did all start with the liberals conspiracy theory.
I have given serious thought about it ever since the left accused the electronic voting machines of being rigged by republicans. Then it turns out Bush wins in Ohio in 2004 and has three voting systems. A clear win on both the other two voting systems that have been in place for years, and a clear win on the electronic systems for Kerry. Looks like someone rigged these machines for democrats!
Now keep inn ind this did all start with the liberals conspiracy theory.
Republicans are so righteous the only way they can possibily lose is if the other side is cheating?
you going for that bullshit?
Wow...
You are acting the impatient child...
Do you know what work is? I just got off work an hour ago. That posting was soon before I left for work.
Please tell me that you don't expect Spurstalk to be more important than work. maybe it is for you, but not for me.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
What no comment?
Republicans are so righteous the only way they can possibily lose is if the other side is cheating?
you going for that bullshit?
Yes and no. A few election cycles ago there was obvious cheating in the state of Washington to get a democrat governor elected. The chart I posted actually came from a democrat pundit trying to show republican cheating, but I think it backfired on him.
On the issue of "possibly cheating." Voting is a sacred right of citizens, and we need to do what is possibly to insure cheating does not take place, but people on either side. The only reason i see for democrats to resist such uncomplicated measures is because they believe they cannot win without cheating.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
lol obvious cheating
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
lol obvious cheating
You didn't see our local news accounts.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Let me guess. Some guy made an accusation and didn't back it up, and some other guy countered with another accusation he didn't back up.
No charges were filed.
No arrests were made.
No fraud was proved.
Am I close?
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
It is difficult to prove eye witness accounts when it becomes a he said she said situation. However, the accusers word made sense completely.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
And the person you believe was accusing Democrats.
Shit writes itself tbh.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
And the person you believe was accusing Democrats.
Shit writes itself tbh.
I'm done with you on this topic Chump. Too much happened long enough ago, I cannot give you an accurate account, and it would be a long one. Besides, you not seeing the same news I did since it was a local Northwest event, just means it would be even harder to relay to you. You have probably seen no news, or very limited on the topic.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
No need. I already described it perfectly.
You're an easy read, WC.
09-07-2012
Homeland Security
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
I was going to post something snarky about how voter ID suppresses the four key Democratic constituencies of dead people, imaginary people, felons, and people trying to vote multiple times...
but since I don't believe in democracy or voting anyway it wouldn't make much sense to fight on that hill.
Under my plan, most minorities would be better off and would receive extensive benefits funded by confiscation of wealth from the enemies of the state.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Texas has a long and well documented history of voter fraud. Hell, it's what got LBJ elected to congress.
And the person you believe was accusing Democrats.
Shit writes itself tbh.
:lol
Would you expect anything else?
Anything bad said about Democrats must be true, no matter how thin the corroberating evidence. Any contradicting evidence is dismissed as "part of the conspiracy".
Same bullshit confirmation bias that propagates 9-11 conspiracy theories and "faked moon landing" hoaxes.
I am not so naive as to think no election in the modern US has ever been effected by fraud of some type, but if WC thinks it was a Democrat conspiracy, I would be really really really skeptical of his claim unless supported by some very solid outside evidence.
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?
For someone who pisses and moans about establishing new beaurocracy and increasing goverment size, are you comfortable with a new redundant law that increases beaurocracy and increasing goverment size to solve a problem that is, by any realistic measure, non-existant?
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?
All and none, respectively.
CC knows this.
CC doesn't care.
CC roots for his team.
lol wikipedia
09-07-2012
RandomGuy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Before you try to answer CC... I have researched a few of those.
Shockingly, the "fraud"... wasn't. A lot of what gets listed as fraud ends up being simple clerical errors and record keeping lags.
Actually I recall Perry's saying much the same thing as Stewart.
09-07-2012
SA210
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
RON PAUL>>> WHOO HOOO!!!! :rolleyes
I know, you prefer Obama's treatment for 5 year olds a lot better. :tu
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Hey, let the Catholic church help those Pakistanis.
09-07-2012
RandomGuy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65
Strong defense of team blue
More of an indictment of team red.
Have you figured out the difference between legal and moral yet?
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?
For someone who pisses and moans about establishing new beaurocracy and increasing goverment size, are you comfortable with a new redundant law that increases beaurocracy and increasing goverment size to solve a problem that is, by any realistic measure, non-existant?
:lmao
now that's some weak sauce shit.
Quote:
increases beaurocracy and increasing goverment size
Have you ever voted?
They already have volunteer poll watchers. No need to increase anything.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:lmao
now that's some weak sauce shit.
You didn't answer the question.
That's some weak sauce shit.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You didn't answer the question.
That's some weak sauce shit.
Chump fails AGAIN.
No additional bureaucracy needed because we already have poll watchers.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Chump fails AGAIN.
CC fails AGAIN.
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?
You idiot.
09-07-2012
vy65
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
More of an indictment of team red.
Have you figured out the difference between legal and moral yet?
Actually it's an indictment of both teams.
Yah, I know all about that difference. Have you figured out who's responsible for appointing the AG, jackboot?
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
CC fails AGAIN.
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?
You idiot.
Oh, I just ignored that shit. We have been over and over this same ground.
You and RG will just vomit out blue team talking points that there is no voter fraud and Republicans just want to disenfranchise the poor ignorant vunnerables.
I will say that we don't have any idea how much voter fraud we have because we have never checked for it. No checking = no valid data for either side to use.
It just devolves into a pointless waste of time.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Oh, I just ignored that shit. We have been over and over this same ground.
You and RG will just vomit out blue team talking points that there is no voter fraud and Republicans just want to disenfranchise the poor ignorant vunnerables.
I will say that we don't have any idea how much voter fraud we have because we have never checked for it. No checking = no valid data for either side to use.
It just devolves into a pointless waste of time.
Sorry, there are already checks, genius. Stay out of the conversation if you just want to remain an ignorant bitch.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Sorry, there are already checks, genius. Stay out of the conversation if you just want to remain an ignorant bitch.
What checks are there that the person voting is who they say they are?
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
*crickets*
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
lol trying to change the subject like the bitch you are.
You're back to proving that voter impersonation actually happens.
Which you can't.
And never could.
And would be the only reason for voter ID laws.
Therefore, you have no reason for voter ID laws.
QED.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
*crickets*
Yep.
I think Chump refuses to admit he likes voting at as many polling places as he can make it to in one day.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
*crickets*
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Ye.
I think Chump refuses to admit he likes voting at as many polling places as he can make it to in one day.
WC likes to lie at every opportunity.
Tell me how your fantasy would work out practically.
Thanks in advance.
09-07-2012
jack sommerset
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
What checks are there that the person voting is who they say they are?
None. God bless
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
None. God bless
Who ever went through the trouble of impersonating a voter?
Think about how that is supposed to play out, geniuses.
lol think
You god can't even help you with that.
Ron bless.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
lol trying to change the subject like the bitch you are.
You're back to proving that voter impersonation actually happens.
Which you can't.
And never could.
And would be the only reason for voter ID laws.
Therefore, you have no reason for voter ID laws.
QED.
Duh
There is no data to prove it one way or the other because we don't check.
Keep vomiting blue team talking points Chump.
09-07-2012
jack sommerset
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Who ever went through the trouble of impersonating a voter?
Think about how that is supposed to play out, geniuses.
lol think
You god can't even help you with that.
Ron bless.
Brother, I would think people who are not eligible to vote. Approx 12 million illegals live in the USA and I'm sure a lot of them make it down to the polls on election day to vote. Nothing to stop them. Its easier to vote than it is to get here. Lots of hostility in your post, brother. God bless
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Duh
There is no data to prove it one way or the other because we don't check.
Keep vomiting blue team talking points Chump.
Duh, indeed.
Actually there have been a couple of voter impersonation convictions in the past couple of decades. If nothing was checked, how could they have happened, genius?
Keep vomiting up your ignorance, idiot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Brother, I would think people who are not eligible to vote. Approx 12 million illegals live in the USA and I'm sure a lot of them make it down to the polls on election day to vote. Nothing to stop them. Its easier to vote than it is to get here. Lots of hostility in your post, brother. God bless
I think you have never actually voted. Lots of stupidity in your post, sister. Ron bless.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
lol "I would think"
lol "I'm sure"
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Duh, indeed.
Actually there have been a couple of voter impersonation convictions in the past couple of decades. If nothing was checked, how could they have happened, genius?
Keep vomiting up your ignorance, idiot.
Which proves that the REALLY stupid and blatant ones managed to get caught.
And when they can actually find voter impersonation when they aren't even looking for it maybe....just maybe...knee jerk blue teamers like you might admit that it might be more prevalent than your playbook says.
And all I am saying is there is no data. You can't prove there is no vote fraud and I have no data to verify that there is. It is very logical however, that if you intentionally leave the barn door open you can't control what goes in or out.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Which proves that the REALLY stupid and blatant ones managed to get caught.
And when they can actually find voter impersonation when they aren't even looking for it maybe....just maybe...knee jerk blue teamers like you might admit that it might be more prevalent than your playbook says.
And all I am saying is there is no data. You can't prove there is no vote fraud and I have no data to verify that there is. It is very logical however, that if you intentionally leave the barn door open you can't control what goes in or out.
OK, walk me through the process of voter impersonation.
Step by step.
Go.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
OK, walk me through the process of voter impersonation.
Step by step.
Go.
Good idea. That way you can tell us from experience what works, and what doesn't.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Good idea. That way you can tell us from experience what works, and what doesn't.
If one wants tips on stalking women, one will ask you.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Simple.
I walk into your precinct polling place and tell them I'm Chumpdumper.
They have me sign by your name and take me over to the voting machine.
I vote for Romney and walk out.
It's not like they have security cameras and even if I'm caught it's only a misdemeanor.
More likely I just register a bunch of bums and vote for them.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Simple.
I walk into your precinct polling place and tell them I'm Chumpdumper.
They have me sign by your name and take me over to the voting machine.
I vote for Romney and walk out.
It's not like they have security cameras and even if I'm caught it's only a misdemeanor.
What is my name?
Where do I live?
Where do I vote?
Misdemeanor? Could you show me the law? Thanks in advance.
Quote:
More likely I just register a bunch of bums and vote for them.
How many? In the same voting station?
As always, you have not thought this trough.
09-07-2012
Edward
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Isn't your name ChumpDumper?
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward
Isn't your name ChumpDumper?
And here I thought it was DumbChump.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
What is my name?
Where do I live?
Where do I vote?
Misdemeanor? Could you show me the law? Thanks in advance.How many? In the same voting station?
As always, you have not thought this trough.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
In the REAL world I'm a bum hired by a group like ACORN.
I go out into the shithole areas and register other street bums. Acorn pays me for every one I turn in.
I know they aren't gonna vote.
I turn in their voter registrations with all their information.
I (or the dudes at ACORN) now HAVE all the information needed to vote for them.
Me and my friends just go on election day and vote and vote and vote.
We celebrate at the end of the day with a big iced tub of 40's compliments of ACORN.
You can't say it doesn't happen because again, WE DON'T CHECK ID'S SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Actually if you're convicted of doing the deed, it's a felony.
I'm all for making the willfully illegal attempt a felony.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
CC, you forgot that ACORN can buy all the data they need from the US postal service when they request name and addresses for bulk mailings.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
In the REAL world I'm a bum hired by a group like ACORN.
I go out into the shithole areas and register other street bums. Acorn pays me for every one I turn in.
I know they aren't gonna vote.
I turn in their voter registrations with all their information.
I (or the dudes at ACORN) now HAVE all the information needed to vote for them.
Me and my friends just go on election day and vote and vote and vote.
We celebrate at the end of the day with a big iced tub of 40's compliments of ACORN.
You can't say it doesn't happen because again, WE DON'T CHECK ID'S SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA.
Actually, the reason the election boards knew there were so many fraudulent registrations from ACORN is because ACORN flagged them all as fraudulent. They had to turn them in because not doing so would be breaking the law.
Man, just keep flaunting your ignorance. This is fun. Throw me another softball talking point from your email list.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
CC, you forgot that ACORN can buy all the data they need from the US postal service when they request name and addresses for bulk mailings.
That's how you find the addresses of the women you stalk.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Seriously, I'm not even against the principle of voter ID laws -- but don't pretend the laws being pimped aren't designed to suppress legal voters.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Actually, the reason the election boards knew there were so many fraudulent registrations from ACORN is because ACORN flagged them all as fraudulent. They had to turn them in because not doing so would be breaking the law.
Man, just keep flaunting your ignorance. This is fun. Throw me another softball talking point from your email list.
:lmao listen to the dumb ass prick talking about talking points!
That one about "they turned themselves in" takes the fucking cake.
FBI was all over their cheating asses when they finally came to Jesus.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
That's how you find the addresses of the women you stalk.
Do you realize how foolish you look when you resort to that same slander? We all know you are losing your case when that happens.
09-07-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Enjoy your blissful ignorance Chump. I'm headed to the ranch.
09-07-2012
Edward
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:lmao listen to the dumb ass prick talking about talking points!
That one about "they turned themselves in" takes the fucking cake.
FBI was all over their cheating asses when they finally came to Jesus.
So if the FBI was all over there asses then the alleged voter fraud was caught before it affected the polls amirite?
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:lmao listen to the dumb ass prick talking about talking points!
That one about "they turned themselves in" takes the fucking cake.
FBI was all over their cheating asses when they finally came to Jesus.
Sorry, it happened just like I said it did. They flagged the fraudulent registrations and turned them in. Prove me wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Do you realize how foolish you look when you resort to that same slander? We all know you are losing your case when that happens.
Do you realize that you still don't use that word. And that you were doing the exact same thing first? Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Enjoy your blissful ignorance Chump. I'm headed to the ranch.
GFYR, you ignorant bitch.
09-07-2012
Blake
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Do you realize how foolish you look when you resort to that same slander? We all know you are losing your case when that happens.
We all know you are a fool at post #1.
No slander, just truth.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward
So if the FBI was all over there asses then the alleged voter fraud was caught before it affected the polls amirite?
There was never going to be any vote fraud.
CC truly believes there was a grand plan for the Dallas Cowboys to vote in Las Vegas. That's how much he believes his email talking point list.
09-07-2012
Spurminator
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Acorn!
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake
We all know you are a fool at post #1.
No slander, just truth.
I an not RandomPropaganda.
09-07-2012
Edward
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
I know CD, I was just humoring his story. ACORN's internal auditors caught the voter fraud and reported it properly. That's what happened, plain and simple.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward
I know CD, I was just humoring his story. ACORN's internal auditors caught the voter fraud and reported it properly. That's what happened, plain and simple.
What about the ones not obvious?
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
What about the ones not obvious?
Explain what you mean and how you think they could be used to cast fraudulent votes.
09-07-2012
Wild Cobra
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Explain what you mean and how you think they could be used to cast fraudulent votes.
And after I do that, this is where you start into your childish "why game" mode.
Am I correct?
Sorry. I'm not playing your game.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
And after I do that, this is where you start into your childish "why game" mode.
Am I correct?
Sorry. I'm not playing your game.
No, you are incorrect.
I seriously want to know how you think this massive vote fraud conspiracy worked.
This is about the point where everyone starts whining and bails out, so don't feel alone if you choose to. Plenty of fail to go around with you guys.
09-07-2012
Blake
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
I an not RandomPropaganda.
You're an ass talker.
And a fool.
09-07-2012
DarrinS
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Same people are also suppressed from buying a gun.
09-07-2012
ChumpDumper
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Same people are also suppressed from buying a gun.
Wow. Darrin found a new way to fail again!
09-08-2012
boutons_deux
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Voter Purges in Florida and Colorado Find Almost ‘No Confirmed Noncitizens’
Colorado, which along with Florida was initially denied access to the database, says that an automated check of more than 1,400 names has flagged 177 people as possible noncitizens. Colorado has asked the Department of Homeland Security, which maintains the database, to assign a person to verify their status.
“For the moment, we have no confirmed noncitizens, but I would expect that most of those people would come back as noncitizens,” says Andrew Cole, a spokesman for Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler.
Both states are planning new purges before November. Voter purges are currently ongoing dozen states, all of which have Republican election officials.
Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours
yes on Sep 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R)
After previously trying to restrict early voting, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) today reversed course on his decision to block county boards of elections from setting their own early voting hours in the days leading up to the November election.
Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties. After the ensuing uproar, Husted moved to restrict voting hours across the state, only to have his cuts to early voting restored by a federal court.
Husted responded to the ruling by refusing to comply with the court order. Expanding voting hours, he claimed in Directive 2012-40, will “only serve to confuse voters.” Therefore, the directive read, he was “prohibit[ing] county boards of elections from determining hours for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or Monday before the election.” The move led Judge Peter Economus to set a hearing for September 13: “The Court ORDERS that Defendant Secretary of State Jon Husted personally attend the hearing,” his release read.
Facing a direct court order, Husted has chosen instead to back down. This afternoon, Husted’s office released Directive 2012-42 with a brief message: “Directive 2012-40 is hereby rescinded.” As a result, county boards of elections will now be allowed to set their own hours, pending Husted’s appeal of the Obama for America v. Husted decision.
The big question in "dynamic, modern" America, why isn't ALL voting moved to Sat + Sun, rather than Tuesday, to enable the maximum citizen voting participation with the minimum of obstacles like trying to vote on a workday?
Is America so scared of change it can't move away from Tue?
09-10-2012
boutons_deux
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
3 Ways the GOP Has Already Disenfranchised Thousands of Swing-State Voters
1. Criminalize Voter Registration Drives
This strategy can best be seen in—surprise—Florida. According to a new report [4] by Project Vote, at least 23 states have new rules for groups that conduct voter registration drives. The strictest of these require volunteers to undergo state trainings, set tight timetables for turning in registration applications and ban paying field workers based on the number of registrations filed. These kinds of new rules target groups like Project Vote [5], which once assisted low-income advocates such as ACORN in its drives.
Florida’s voter registration restrictions, which went into effect July 2011 and stayed in effect until this June (when they were thrown out by a federal court) also had big fines for any mistakes made with registration forms. A recent New York Times report [6] noted that groups that previously registered voters in Florida, such as the League of Women Voters, Rock the Vote and Florida Public Interest Research Group (PIRG), stopped while the law was in effect. Compared to this period a year before the 2008 election, Florida has 250,000 fewer new Democratic registrants, the Times said.
A just-released paper [7] by Dartmouth College’s Michael Herron and the University of Florida’s Daniel Smith traces the disproportionate impact of Florida’s suppression laws on likely Democrats. It noted that Rock the Vote registered 140,000 people in 2008, “primarily college students,” but did not resume registering voters once the new law took effect in July 2011. It found there were 79,000 fewer new voter registration applications between 2007 and 2011, of which 15,000 fewer applications were from people under 21. While Florida’s 2011 election law reforms affected voters across all ethnic groups, the political scientists found it was “more pronounced for Democratic registrants.”
While voter registration groups have been busy in Florida since early June’s federal court ruling, they still lost a year—thanks to the GOP. Floridians who are eligible to vote must register 29 days before the November election, so there is still time left. But the GOP didn’t stop there. If you moved from one county to another in Florida since the last election, you have to file a change of address form, or else you will be given a provisional ballot on Election Day.
Academics expect Florida will issue 300,000 provisional ballots on Election Day, a large number that will slow down polling place voting. Moreover, Florida’s November ballot will be the longest ever—also because of legislative changes—and that too will mean polling place delays. None of these complicating steps needed to happen. They were adopted by Republicans who want to erect barriers.
In Wisconsin, the GOP-controlled Legislature passed a law that requires anyone registering voters to be certified by the local election office where that new voter is a resident. Before the law, those working on registration drives could get a statewide certification. This new local requirement "is a real pain," said Andrea Kaminski of the Wisconsin's League of Women Voters, because the state has 1,750 local election jurisdictions. "I can tell you the numbers, but I can tell you it has hurt our efforts."
2. Disenfranchise Felons—Again
Florida’s shady reputation extends to its shameful treatment of former felons, of whom an estimated 200,000 lost their right to vote in 2012 because the state’s GOP Tea Party Governor Rick Scott and legislature reversed a voting rights reform from the previous governor, moderate Republican Charlie Crist. In 2011, Scott and the GOP passed a law that requires nonviolent offenders who have completed their sentence to wait five years before applying for a clemency board hearing to regain voting rights. All other former offenders must wait seven years.
According to the Sentencing Project’s latest numbers, as of 2010 there were 1.3 million ex-felons living in Florida—almost one out of every 10 voting-age adults. A recent report [8] in the Nation estimated that 200,000 former felons would have been eligible to vote this fall were it not for the state’s new disenfranchisement policy. “Blacks are 13 percent of registered voters in Florida, but 23 percent of disenfranchised felons,” it said.
Florida is not alone [9] in its treatment of former felons when it comes to voting rights. In Virginia, another 2012 swing state, there are about 350,000 ex-felons [9] who have not regained their voting rights. And in Iowa, another swing state, there are at least 12,000 [10] parolees and federal probationers, according to the Sentencing Project, many of whom just lost their voting rights. Last year, Iowa’s new Republican Governor, Terry Branstad, rescinded an executive order that had returned voting rights to ex-felons.
Nationally, there are 5.85 million disenfranchised felons, the Sentencing Project reports [10], with three-quarters living outside prisons and jails. Curiously, ex-felons are not a monolithic Democratic voting block, said Michael McDonald of George Mason University, a nationally known expert on voter turnout. Many who regain their voting rights are white-collar criminals who support Republicans. However, in states such as Florida, a disproportionate number come from communities of color where voting histories typically are pro-Democrat.
3. Spread Propaganda That Voters Will Be Policed
Every war has a propaganda component and the GOP’s war on Democratic voters is no exception. In Florida, Colorado, Michigan, Kansas and New Mexico, top state election officials have decried the alleged presence of tens of thousands of non-citizens on their voting rolls, which would be illegal. (The reality is the numbers are very small.) They have said the state must take steps to police the rolls and polls. This deliberate posturing has already had a negative impact on voters, according to Florida’s Ion Sancho, who is the supervisor of elections in Leon County, where the state capital is located.
In Florida, Scott and his handpicked secretary of state this summer claimed that there were more than 180,000 non-citizens on voter rolls and a massive purge was needed. They later took back that assertion, walking back from the poised purge and saying they’d study the issue after November. But the Florida GOP knew exactly what it was doing by making the false claims and preying on people’s fears. Sancho said his office keeps getting calls from would-be voters who think they lack the proper identifying documents to get a ballot in November.
“The newspapers talked about a purge—there wasn’t a purge,” he said. “And Florida did not change its voter ID law. But all this information is confusing young voters, confusing minorities, and nothing has changed [with voter ID requirements]. Nothing.”
Worse, where there have been changes in voting procedures, such as with moved or consolidated polling places after state and congressional redistricting, new requirements for filing change-of-address forms, and shortened early voting periods and new weekend voting hours, the state has yet to launch any public education efforts to avoid chaos this fall.
“Where are the public education efforts by the secretary of state,” Sancho asks. “Where are the public service ads in the state of Florida?” The answer is they are not on the air—not yet. And that is largely true in other swing states like Pennsylvania, where the state is now unrolling a new voter ID program that may affect hundreds of thousands of urban voters who do not have driver’s licenses.
So why do we need a new law and new beaurocracy to solve a problem we have no information on, other than it will likely disenfranshise a lot of legimitate voters?
The fraud this is supposed to prevent is already criminalized, as noted.
More fact and explanation fail.
The longer Republicans fail to produce actual instances and real, MATERIAL fraud, the more it looks like a cynical bullshit ploy to supress hostile voting blocks by a political party, which is what *I* think it is.
But, if you Republicans think that this will be effective, you are underestimating how much this is really pissing people on the left off.
Here is a fair example, and I wouldn't ask anyone to read the whole thing, or even agree with it, but what you should note is the tone and, more importantly, the results.
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Originally Posted by Daily Kos
Like others here I was fuming when the GOP voter-muzzling efforts began rolling in earnest last year. My outrage was tempered only by a sneaking soupcon that the whole operation might maybe, just maybe, blow up in the faces of the GOP by focusing attention on voter registration and simply angering otherwise apathetic people to vote. I had my doubts, but recent updates from fellow organizers are beginning to convince me otherwise. I got a recent Florida-focused memo from an old pal in The Resistance as they've been calling themselves (one of the anti-Tea Partiers that sprang up in 2010) and wanted to share the good news. The massive registration of the growing Puerto-Rican population and the in-your-face defeats of GOP voter suppression practices are especially sweet.
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Pathetic, desperate Republican vote-suppression attempts are FAILING even in Florida and Colorado, two of the states these crooks have targeted most aggressively in their neo-Jim Crowism. Our former distaste for the GOP has, in the last four years, turned into a fiery hatred of this band of plutocratic, corrupt, anti-democracy traitors masquerading as a political party- we want to crush the Republicans and smash their spirit, and there's no better way to do that than to get our voters out to the polls. We're happy to report that the Republican strategy is backfiring massively. Our group is mostly based in the West, but in the last few weeks our small contingent in Florida alone has managed to:
- Register thousands of Puerto-Ricans and fire them up to vote in November. The mass Puerto-Rican migration into Florida, both from the island and from New York, has been one of the least-noticed demographic transformations of the past decade. It's ironically a result largely of anti-union and job-wrecking policies in both Puerto Rico and Bloomberg's New York that have been pushing out the Puerto-Rican population, with massive migration not only to hubs like Orlando and Miami but increasingly to Tampa, Jacksonville, Tallahassee, Gainesville and even Pensacola. GOP anti-Latino and anti-working class policies have angered Puerto Ricans into becoming a very pro-Democratic bloc, and they're American citizens with full voting rights. Still, until 2012, this population has had rather low voter participation. But a mobilized, high-voting Puerto-Rican population is the Florida Republicans' worst nightmare, and we're working hard to make that nightmare come true for them. Rick Scott's voter suppression fail in Florida has been targeted in major part to discourage Puerto-Rican registration and voting, and the focused efforts of our and other grass-roots groups in the state are more than making up for it.
- Aggressively confront GOP lackeys in municipalities who try to put up administrative barriers to voting, or crooked Florida officials or employers who try to interfere with the sacred right to vote on Election Day. Just as in 2000, many employers with large numbers of minorities and young people in their work forces are flouting the law by intimidating their workers against voting, imposing double shifts or otherwise putting up barriers to going out and voting on Election Day. With every single instance that our grapevine has heard, we've notified the appropriate volunteers and legal teams and forced the vote-suppressors to back down. This is one of those areas where being a royal pain-in-the-ass will solve the problem in 90+% of cases. Most of these GOP bootlickers don't believe in their "cause" since the Republican Party doesn't really have a cause anymore outside of encouraging corruption, they're largely dupes or paid-off stooges of the Koch Brothers or other sources. So once they learn that we'll make their lives miserable, they tend to back down. And the rest? Then we sic our nastiest lawyers and rabble-rousers on them and make their lives even more miserable.
- Massively step up vote-count monitoring efforts with our team. Given what happened in 2000 and 2004 as well as the current polarization, if there's even a hint of Republican tampering with the vote count or voting machines, there'll be riots in 2012 that'll make those of the 60's look like a picnic. We've massively boosted our volunteer and staff vote monitoring efforts throughout Florida to demand paper trails, documentation, corroboration and full, redundant transparency of every single vote, no exceptions. We've made it clear that we're watching every move, every tally, every software tweak, every machine and every voting center to ensure an accurate count, and that any attempts to alter the vote count will bring immediate legal attacks and prosecution for a felony, with harsh penalties in the wake.
- Ensure that multilingual ballots are available where pertinent in Spanish, Tagalog, Hindi, Bengali, Haitian Creole, Chinese, Portuguese, French, Hmong, Laotian or other relevant languages, all of which increase voting participation in often marginalized minority communities in Florida. By federal mandates, ballots can be requested in a language with a significant presence in a given community, and with the help of motivated volunteers in our own diverse community, we've been able to help draw up and provide the relevant ballots as well as to provide voter education.
- Couple higher naturalization of immigrant communities with voter registration. In states like Florida in particular, there's a large pool of naturalization-eligible immigrants who haven't yet had a chance to naturalize, or for whom Republican interference has sometimes deliberately contributed to administrative delays. We've been aggressively in touch with the relevant community leaders and authorities to accelerate naturalization, voter registration and GOTV efforts in general. We've been making major gains in the voter rolls not only in Florida and Colorado, but in every state where our teams have been working.
- Provide information and actively boycott companies, casinos and products owned by the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Rupert Murdoch, the Waltons and other communities trying to use Citizens United to pour in money for GOP Super-Pacs and subvert democracy, while supporting their competitors. The Koch Brothers are repulsive for more reasons than we can name, a pair of silver-spoon-fed heirs to a fortune who've never had to work an honest day since they inherited billions from Daddy, but feel moved to attack the rights and needs of 99% of Americans in service of their filthy fantasy of a US run by a sort of quasi-feudalism. We've come to thoroughly hate these crooks, and we've spread the information (available on many Websites) to boycott their products and have a tangible effect. Since the Koch Brothers especially have oil interests, we've been hurting them (and helping the environment) by carpooling and using public transportation at every opportunity. Also makes it much easier to team up for a good pizza after a hard day's work!
- Confront, humiliate and otherwise discourage Republican hired thugs who try to attack or intimidate voter registration and GOTV volunteers. I know some of you have dealt with this in other states, too, but the Kochs and other jerks have been giving money to losers to go and obstruct voter registration teams out int he field. Initially we paid them little heed, but when they got persistent, we began responding them with the harshest, most degrading, most personally humiliating comments we could, and gradually these have been wearing down even the paid-off idiots. Strong, smart and deservedly malicious insults really can have an effect on these GOP chumps without the need for anything further (though one idiot who got in the personal space of one of our volunteers got an inadvertent elbow to the nose, which made us quite happy to see).
- Team up with local businesses to run voter registration drives in the state. Starbucks is well-known for this, but many local shops from florists to pizza parlors and bars have been joining up. It's great PR for them, and a great opportunity to register voters- with large numbers of youth and minority voters- in the process, and since it's on private property, there's absolutely nothing the GOP voter-suppression losers can do about it.
- Boosting our GOTV with simple, unqualified messages focusing on Republican attempts to sabotage Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Yes, it's tapping into people's fears, but that's because the modern GOP is very much a dangerous organization that we should fear, loathe and vigorously fight. No elaboration, no hedging, no hesitation- just hitting the Republicans where it hurts them most.
- Further boosting GOTV with the framing of our pitches. Others have diaried this before, but even subtle shifts in word choice matter tremendously in boosting Dem turnout. Browse this research article (Proc Nat Acad Sciences): http://www.pnas.org/... also discussed at http://www.physorg.com/... and at DKos: http://www.dailykos.com/...
In every pamphlet we send out or call we make, this is crucial: little word changes that personalize the election, provide voters with a distinct identity and linked behavior (the way e.g. social and religious groups do), and also emphasize empowerment and participation in a civic duty (“being a voter” vs. “doing the chore of voting”) dramatically increase turnout. Also as commenters noted, we don’t simply frame the vote as a weak choice (“Will you vote” or “Please vote”), but as a default, necessary action in people’s minds, that itself promotes social and peer-group expectations (“What time/where will you vote in 2012? Here are the ways to do it…”). If any of you work in marketing (or have such friends in your social network), we'd love to hear further suggestions. With voters today so busy and so many issues crowding the day, understanding this kind of subtle psychology is essential to our GOTV efforts.
- Massive increases in voter registration drives and GOTV on college campuses, with student leaders often teaming up and chiming in. This has naturally been a target of GOP voter-suppression efforts in Florida as in other states, and our intensive focus on college campuses has more than counteracted their own corruption. College campuses and even some high schools with recently-turned 18-year-olds continue to be a focus for our voter registration drives.
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As I said, take the slant with a grain of salt, but keep in mind GOP efforts at voter supression have consequences.
I will, as a Democrat find it funny when Republicans start losing elections in states where they are actively seeking to supress Democratic blocs, for the simple reason that these blocs have the capacity to self-organize and are getting really mad about the obvious bullshit.
09-10-2012
RandomGuy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:lmao
now that's some weak sauce shit.
It isn't "weak sauce" to ask for some decent evidence before changing public policy.
That is how governments should work. Identify real problems, gather information abou them, and impliment effective, balanced solutions.
09-10-2012
RandomGuy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
No, you are incorrect.
I seriously want to know how you think this massive vote fraud conspiracy worked.
This is about the point where everyone starts whining and bails out, so don't feel alone if you choose to. Plenty of fail to go around with you guys.
Pretty much.
After they have exhaused their emailed talkiing points, it becomes of alot of hand-waving.
LOL "randompropaganda" from the "I got it from an email" crowd. :lmao
09-10-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Pretty much.
After they have exhaused their emailed talkiing points, it becomes of alot of hand-waving.
LOL "randompropaganda" from the "I got it from an email" crowd. :lmao
Describes you perfectly.
09-10-2012
boutons_deux
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Is John Roberts Coming for Your Vote?
Watching the almost uniform sea of white faces in attendance at the 2012 Republican National Convention called to mind one of the defining hallmarks of all reactionary movements of the modern era: Whatever their particular social and historical contexts, they seek not a new future free of past injustices but a return to mythologized past glories.
For today’s tea-party-dominated Republicans, the glorified past is steeped in racial- and gender-based nostalgia. It is a vision of America drawn from simplistic and distorted allusions to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers, the infantile hyper-individualism of Ayn Rand and, on a more mundane level, patriarchal 1950s sitcoms like “Leave It to Beaver.” It is a vision in which clean-cut, white, Christian men hold all positions of responsibility and lead prosperous suburban lives with dutiful and well-coiffed spouses like June Cleaver at their sides. It is a vision in which racial minorities, to the extent that they are ever seen, happily accept their second-class citizenship.
The catalog of suppression techniques included the poll tax, first enacted in Georgia in 1871 and, by 1904, adopted throughout the former Confederacy; the literacy test, first imposed by South Carolina in 1882; white-only primaries; and state laws and local ordinances that made it difficult for black voters to establish residency and register. And where all else failed, the old South was never above outright intimidation of black voters and African-Americans seeking elective office.
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The net effect on the franchise was devastating. The Georgia poll tax alone, estimates California Institute of Technology historian J. Morgan Kousser, resulted in a 50 percent drop in black voter turnout. The turnout of poor whites also plummeted, decreasing, according to Kousser, between 16 and 28 percent.
The Supreme Court was a willing participant in the suppression regime, unanimously rejecting a constitutional challenge brought by a 28-year-old impoverished white man to the Georgia poll tax in 1937 (Breedlove v. Suttles). It was not until 1966, after ratification of the 24th Amendment (prohibiting poll taxes in federal elections) and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, that the high court declared all poll taxes illegal under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections).
There are already petitions from North Carolina and Alabama pending before the Supreme Court of Chief Justice John Roberts that seek to invalidate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act—the all-important provision that requires states and localities with a legacy of electoral discrimination to obtain “preclearance” from the Justice Department or the courts before implementing new laws. The Roberts court is already on record, in a 2009 case from Texas, questioning the continued viability of Section 5 (Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. 1 v. Holder). The Roberts court has also approved photo ID statutes, having upheld in 2008 Indiana’s highly restrictive ID law (Crawford v. Marion County Election Board).
Whether or not Obama is re-elected, and no matter how creative the formal legal challenges to suppression are, overcoming the entrenched bias of the Roberts court is doubtful at best. However, this is not 1937 or 1957.
Compare the abundance of white faces at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., with the multicultural, multiracial faces at the Democratic Party’s meeting in Charlotte, N.C. Whatever we may think of the current policy shortcomings of the Democrats—and there are many—that multicultural, multiracial base is the nation’s authentic present and its certain future. Sooner or later, that base will lay the tea party’s corrosive nostalgia—and voter suppression along with it—to rest. It’s only a question of time.
Watching the almost uniform sea of white faces in attendance at the 2012 Republican National Convention called to mind one of the defining hallmarks of all reactionary movements of the modern era: Whatever their particular social and historical contexts, they seek not a new future free of past injustices but a return to mythologized past glories.
For today’s tea-party-dominated Republicans, the glorified past is steeped in racial- and gender-based nostalgia. It is a vision of America drawn from simplistic and distorted allusions to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers, the infantile hyper-individualism of Ayn Rand and, on a more mundane level, patriarchal 1950s sitcoms like “Leave It to Beaver.” It is a vision in which clean-cut, white, Christian men hold all positions of responsibility and lead prosperous suburban lives with dutiful and well-coiffed spouses like June Cleaver at their sides. It is a vision in which racial minorities, to the extent that they are ever seen, happily accept their second-class citizenship.
The catalog of suppression techniques included the poll tax, first enacted in Georgia in 1871 and, by 1904, adopted throughout the former Confederacy; the literacy test, first imposed by South Carolina in 1882; white-only primaries; and state laws and local ordinances that made it difficult for black voters to establish residency and register. And where all else failed, the old South was never above outright intimidation of black voters and African-Americans seeking elective office.
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The net effect on the franchise was devastating. The Georgia poll tax alone, estimates California Institute of Technology historian J. Morgan Kousser, resulted in a 50 percent drop in black voter turnout. The turnout of poor whites also plummeted, decreasing, according to Kousser, between 16 and 28 percent.
The Supreme Court was a willing participant in the suppression regime, unanimously rejecting a constitutional challenge brought by a 28-year-old impoverished white man to the Georgia poll tax in 1937 (Breedlove v. Suttles). It was not until 1966, after ratification of the 24th Amendment (prohibiting poll taxes in federal elections) and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, that the high court declared all poll taxes illegal under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections).
There are already petitions from North Carolina and Alabama pending before the Supreme Court of Chief Justice John Roberts that seek to invalidate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act—the all-important provision that requires states and localities with a legacy of electoral discrimination to obtain “preclearance” from the Justice Department or the courts before implementing new laws. The Roberts court is already on record, in a 2009 case from Texas, questioning the continued viability of Section 5 (Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. 1 v. Holder). The Roberts court has also approved photo ID statutes, having upheld in 2008 Indiana’s highly restrictive ID law (Crawford v. Marion County Election Board).
Whether or not Obama is re-elected, and no matter how creative the formal legal challenges to suppression are, overcoming the entrenched bias of the Roberts court is doubtful at best. However, this is not 1937 or 1957.
Compare the abundance of white faces at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., with the multicultural, multiracial faces at the Democratic Party’s meeting in Charlotte, N.C. Whatever we may think of the current policy shortcomings of the Democrats—and there are many—that multicultural, multiracial base is the nation’s authentic present and its certain future. Sooner or later, that base will lay the tea party’s corrosive nostalgia—and voter suppression along with it—to rest. It’s only a question of time.
All done by Democrats. It was Republicans that freed the slaves, Bot.
09-10-2012
Clipper Nation
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
I love when dumbass neocons take credit for civil rights, while conveniently leaving out the fact that the GOP's shift towards neocon Bible-thumping bigotry started when the Dixiecrats switched parties in 1964 because of the Civil Rights Act.... do you really think we're that gullible, B?
09-10-2012
boutons_deux
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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All done by Democrats. It was Republicans that freed the slaves, Bot.
It's the Repugs who stuffed the SCOTUS with extreme right-wing, pro-institution/anti-citizen JINOs
The Repugs who freed the slaves don't exist anymore, hell, even the Eisenhauer Repugs are gone, and and St Ronnie wouldn't have a chance in today's Repug extremism.
But keep dishonestly claiming emancipation for your side, which is more honestly characterized by the Repug racist Southern Strategy.
09-10-2012
Clipper Nation
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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St Ronnie wouldn't have a chance in today's Repug extremism.
St. Ronnie will be winning the Repug nomination in 2016.... Ron bless
09-10-2012
CosmicCowboy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
I love when dumbass neocons take credit for civil rights, while conveniently leaving out the fact that the GOP's shift towards neocon Bible-thumping bigotry started when the Dixiecrats switched parties in 1964 because of the Civil Rights Act.... do you really think we're that gullible, B?
:lmao at you trying to rewrite history and make it look like Republicans were against the civil rights act.
09-10-2012
boutons_deux
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
Florida Voter Purge Caught Just One Non-Citizen Voter
Months after Florida first began its purge of the state’s voter rolls, officials now have something to show for it: a single prosecutable case of voter fraud by an immigrant from Canada. Josef Sever, 52, is the only person found to have been falsely presenting himself as a US citizen in Florida, and voted in the last two presidential elections despite being a Canadian citizen. Earlier this month, a spokesman for Florida’s Secretary of State Ken Detzner told NPR that the state was investigating “several” possible cases of voter fraud. That number now appears to be down to just six other outstanding investigations into possible cases of voter fraud, in a state where 8.3 million people voted in 2008.
:lmao at you trying to rewrite history and make it look like Republicans were against the civil rights act.
FYI, 21 Democrats voted against it in the senate vs. 6 Republicans voting against it.
91 Democrats in the House voted against it vs. 35 Republicans voting against it.
09-10-2012
RandomGuy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
Describes you perfectly.
:rolleyes
"I'm rubber and you're glue..."?
Seriously?
09-10-2012
RandomGuy
Re: It's about the supression, stupid!
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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy
:lmao at you trying to rewrite history and make it look like Republicans were against the civil rights act.
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Originally Posted by 2 second browsing of wikipedia, as opposed to what the email told you to think
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.
