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"Fucking teacher's unions."
don't be coy, PussyEater, you fuck ALL unions.
btw, all right-to-work states have lower avg hourly and benefits than other states, as the corporations always intended. Lower salaries means higher compensation for mgmt and investors. aka, The War on Employees (is over and employees lost)
Wonder what the cost of living stats are like in those states?
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Originally Posted by baseline bum
Finally figured all this out and looks like you're 100% right Spurm. BB, your info's good too. That $54k number is just salary but if you click over to the benefits tab there's a chart that shows salary as being 70% of total compensation. Take $54k, divide by 0.7 and you get $77k which is in the ballpark of the numbers from the link I posted. Still top notch compensation within the teaching profession, but not the $76k + goodies on top that I interpreted earlier. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
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Originally Posted by baseline bum
You think you're pretty smart, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Product of a public school education. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Thanks for confirming because I wasn't 100% sure... Just based on conversations with some people who know teachers in Chicago. The way it's being reported is confusing. "$76K before benefits" makes it sound like that's what they take home, and then they get benefits on top of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
From THIS article - CBS Chicago:
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A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.
You guys are wrong.Quote:
Block (union rep) said the average salary for CTU teachers is actually lower than what CPS claims, by about $5,000
Salary = Salary.
Benefits are on top of that.
Not surprising; my local district here in PA (union friendly state; POWERFUL teacher's union); STARTS teachers at over $55k now - and they have 3% raises each of the next three years guaranteed before the next CBA comes up for "negotiation". Negotiation meaning the teachers threaten to strike, while the school board (two of who have spouses are teachers, three others have children in school) are the "opposition".
Public sector unions take a cannon to a fight where the other side is basically unarmed.
They suck.
I give up. :depressed
Here's the districts entire roster:
http://www.cps.edu/About_CPS/At-a-gl...r_07112012.pdf
Median <> Average, btwQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Just a simplification of what might be happening.
If a new full time teacher makes $43k, and through 11 annual step increases makes $87k, then the average wage could be said to be $65k. However, if we have equal numbers of teachers by year and they stay for 25 years, then more than half are topped out at the $87k pay level. Add all these teachers salaries up and divide by the number of teachers and we get an average salary of $76,440.
The other issue (looking at the roster); I've been assuming we're talking about "Full Time Teachers".
Chicago has lots of part time teachers who are members of the union; (salaries in the 20k range); would certainly bring the average way down.
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Derrick Rose: I'm sitting here just thinking how sad it is that my city got to go through this. I love my city and everyone in it even my haters!
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Derrick Rose: I don't like that fact that OUR kids are not in school and that's the only thing we have to SAVE these kids.
All of this from a guy who cheated on the SAT. :rollinQuote:
Derrick Rose: I pray everyday for US for real. I know I shouldn't be saying this because I hoop and it's not my lane but I feel like ppl should hear this.
They get paid well and shoudnt be striking. God bless
It's probably a good thing i was not on last night for these gems.
Honestly though. The average American makes ~$45k nowadays. Chicago is appreciably more expensive to live in than the national average.
How much do you think a teacher should be paid? I know that quite a few are simply making claims on how much they make because you see 'union' and that is all she wrote but what do you think is a fair objective measure of how much a tenured teacher should make?
The teacher's salary is irrelevant at this point as that is not even a sticking point in the negotiation. The sticking points, as I understand them, are how much teacher evaluations should be weighted in job performance and the teacher's job security.
Teachers get every holiday imaginable, have hours where they never have to come in early or stay late, get a pension after 20 years, and it's not exactly a job that requires tons of intelligence. Most of all, a teacher who sucks at his/her job anyway could get caught fucking farm animals and he/she getting fired wouldn't even be a remote possibility.
Teachers getting so up in arms about their performance actually getting evaluated is because of how many teachers don't give a shit about their job and only do it because they can be lazy without getting fired.
they're government's tools which are used to indoctrinate & brainwash the kids at very early ages, and government workers generally get paid good $ for being lazy asses. they going on striker is like protesting against their own boss (the government) which is weird imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Edward
Still going. God bless
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for teacher who make better wages and benefits than the average person, when they hold the average person's children hostage.
FUCK THEM!
But they don't make a middle income of 250k a year son.
So?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
Those who can, do...those who can't, teach. Not worth the 250 you speak of. Not worth the money they get as is, IMHO. Lord knows they have plenty of time on their hands so they can earn a little extra money doing other part time jobs. God blessQuote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
We have Latrian, Edward and WC. Good to see the Axis of Stupidity hard at work.