Obama the liar turning the clock on Guantanamo

New rules from the Obama Justice Department threaten to return Guantanamo Bay to the legal black hole it was in during the early days of the George W. Bush administration. The rules, which began trickling out in May, are to be reviewed Friday in a hearing before a federal judge in Washington. They restrict lawyers’ access to detainees who have lost their initial habeas corpus petitions. The effect would be to wrest control of attorney-client access away from the courts and give the military nearly complete discretion to dictate if and when attorneys can visit detainees, how many attorneys may work on a case, what information lawyers may obtain and use in representing their clients, and where and how this information can be used.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...b19_story.html

"Some day, like Alcatraz or Auschwitz or other like places of infamy, Guantanamo will be an empty place visited by tourists. And on its front gate, there should be large signs with the names of U.S. presidents who enabled its existence. Guantanamo is a terrible stain on America and all we purport to stand for. "


are we fucking braindead or what? re-electing this liar???

oh wait, it looks like Americans favorite pasttime is re-electing the biggest liar they can find:
http://www.topnews.in/files/george-bush5.jpg

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"Some day, like Alcatraz or Auschwitz or other like places of infamy, Guantanamo will be an empty place visited by tourists

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:rolleyes

Isn't Gitmo one of the most difficult places to travel to for a civilian right now?

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Isn't Gitmo one of the most difficult places to travel to for a civilian right now?

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I'm sure its restricted....the guys still at Gitmo are bad guys...in any other war they would have been shot in the head in the battlefield...do they deserve to be degraded and tortured like under the Bush administration? No....most are pretty low level Al Queda or former Taliban....

The only reason GITMO still exists today is because no country wants these guys and they will be killed if they go back to their own countries. The Obama administration has proposed bringing them to a state-side prison but the GOP has refused to allow any money to do so for fear that these guys will be afforded the same rights to a trial and evidence procedures as you and I...

Simple fix: close Gitmo and build some kick ass state of the art prison in Langley, Virginia and put these terror suspects in that prison. If America can waste billions of dollars doing nation building and policing the war in the Middle East, then surely America can afford this shit.

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Simple fix: close Gitmo and build some kick ass state of the art prison in Langley, Virginia and put these terror suspects in that prison. If America can waste billions of dollars doing nation building and policing the war in the Middle East, then surely America can afford this shit.

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The GOP Congress won't fund to bring them state side..

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

I'm sure its restricted....the guys still at Gitmo are bad guys...in any other war they would have been shot in the head in the battlefield...

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except they weren't in the battlefield. Most of those are suspect civilian detaines, that haven't been charged of any crimes. Some been there for years and years like that 15 year old that's grown up to be an adult there.

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The only reason GITMO still exists today is because no country wants these guys and they will be killed if they go back to their own countries.

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LOL wut?

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

The GOP Congress won't fund to bring them state side..

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yep, it was the GOP screaming and whining about the huge, almost certain terrorist attack if the gitmo guys were moved to a US max security prison.

Repugs = TOTAL OBSTRUCTION, then Repug and asshole right-wingers here blame Barry for not doing what they obstructed him from doing.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

I'm sure its restricted....the guys still at Gitmo are bad guys...in any other war they would have been shot in the head in the battlefield...do they deserve to be degraded and tortured like under the Bush administration? No....most are pretty low level Al Queda or former Taliban....

The only reason GITMO still exists today is because no country wants these guys and they will be killed if they go back to their own countries. The Obama administration has proposed bringing them to a state-side prison but the GOP has refused to allow any money to do so for fear that these guys will be afforded the same rights to a trial and evidence procedures as you and I...

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Yep. Back in 2009 all 90 republican senators voted to block funding for closing gitmo.

Senate votes 90-6 to block funding for closing Gitmo.

This thread is funny.

You have cheguevara with the Marxist-Leninist perspective (really sticks in your craw that that prison is in Cuba, doesn't it, you commie fuck? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.)
You have Nbadan with the "whatever the Democrat leader decides to do is righteous and just" perspective.
You have boutons with the left-wing Tasmanian Devil perspective.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

the guys still at Gitmo are bad guys...in any other war they would have been shot in the head in the battlefield

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:lmao Boy, I bet we'd have a hard time finding a statement like this from you in 2008 or earlier. Probably could find a few from Team Red, though.

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Simple fix: close Gitmo and build some kick ass state of the art prison in Langley, Virginia and put these terror suspects in that prison. If America can waste billions of dollars doing nation building and policing the war in the Middle East, then surely America can afford this shit.

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We already have a state-of-the-art prison at Guantanamo Bay, why re-invent the wheel?

there are plenty of high security prisons already in USA, why maintain another EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE one at GITMO?

Just take the fuckers out back and shoot them in the head and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Just take the fuckers out back and shoot them in the head and be done with it.

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:tu

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Just take the fuckers out back and shoot them in the head and be done with it.

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they haven't been proven, or even accused, as "fuckers", and I guess you LOVE the Constituion.

As far as I'm concerned they can take you out back too.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

they haven't been proven, or even accused, as "fuckers", and I guess you LOVE the Constituion.

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No worries. I'm sure Obama is going to get around to making sure they all get trials just like he said he would. Give it time, he's been busy. He's the President for crying out loud.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

As far as I'm concerned they can take you out back too.

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While it would be fun, the really stupid ones like boutons are not a priority.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

No worries. I'm sure Obama is going to get around to making sure they all get trials just like he said he would. Give it time, he's been busy. He's the President for crying out loud.

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Yep, dubya told us "It's Hard Work" :lol

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Yep, dubya told us "It's Hard Work" :lol

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Indeed. Dubya's pupil has certainly taken that to heart.

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Originally Posted by Homeland Security

While it would be fun, the really stupid ones like boutons are not a priority.

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:lol

the location of the prison or name or whatever is irrelevant.

the relevancy is that one of this president's main campaign promise was to close it down and stop the human violations. Well it looks like Hussein doubled down on both instead.

and that BS about Republicans "blocking" him is retarded. Even a child knows a president is not a king, and has to work with others to get shit done.

he should not have promised shit he wasn't sure he could keep. same as Romneinstein promising "repealing Obamacare"

Again, close Gitmo and transfer all the suspects to some kick ass state of the art prison deep underground near Langley, Virginia. Make it maximum security as fuck. Why is that so hard?

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Originally Posted by cheguevara

he should not have promised shit he wasn't sure he could keep. same as Romneinstein promising "repealing Obamacare"

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No, now Willard says he's going to "keep the good parts", tbh.... try to keep up with his flip-flopping, son.... :lol

"has to work with others to get shit done"

Repugs have obstructed, filibustered, gutted, defunded everything the Dems have proposed or accomplished.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"has to work with others to get shit done"

Repugs have obstructed, filibustered, gutted, defunded everything the Dems have proposed or accomplished.

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Good.... if we can't have liberty right now, at least SOME big government bullshit being obstructed is an okay consolation prize, tbh.... certainly better than 8 years of Willard with a crony Congress, that's for sure....

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

"has to work with others to get shit done"

Repugs have obstructed, filibustered, gutted, defunded everything the Dems have proposed or accomplished.

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And that's not an excuse for the 2008-2010 period. The Repugs successfully stopped so much stuff because Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are horrible leaders who regularly get bent over by the Republicans even when they have/had a majority. What the Republicans did was completely unamerican and them prioritizing the removal of Obama over everything else should draw all the criticism in the world, but Obama shouldn't need a super-majority to get stuff done.

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Originally Posted by Edward

And that's not an excuse for the 2008-2010 period.

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You're talking to boutons. Of course it's an excuse for that period.

boutons is basically a plush toy studded with mangled cliches, and stuffed with tissue thin excuses.

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Originally Posted by Edward

And that's not an excuse for the 2008-2010 period. The Repugs successfully stopped so much stuff because Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are horrible leaders who regularly get bent over by the Republicans even when they have/had a majority. What the Republicans did was completely unamerican and them prioritizing the removal of Obama over everything else should draw all the criticism in the world, but Obama shouldn't need a super-majority to get stuff done.

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sure it is, Dems didn't have 60 in the Senate, Repug filibusters and even threat of filibusters were effective blocks.

The Repug record on 100% obstructionism since dubya left off is clear. You could look it up.

The Repugs work in BAD FAITH, denying legitimacy to any non-Repugs (ask Ron Paul supporters), denying wherever possible the Dems right to govern.