Explain to me how Roe v. Wade will be overturned if Willard is elected

I thought this wasn't a real issue for you... :rolleyes

Well if I'm being completely honest, no. Do I cry myself to sleep at night if unborn babies are killed? No. Do I weep every time two men have sex and/or get married? No. I honestly don't care either way. I just thought it was interesting how Obama koolaid drinkers and Willard koolaid drinkers worry about trivial shit like gay marriage and abortion. It's like those two issues are the most important ones and more important than the economy and job creation. I think survival is the only thing that most humans truely care about because death is the only thing that humans cannot escape. Yes, I know it's harsh, cruel, and vain but it's nature.

Well for gay people gay marriage would be a pretty important issue.

Just like how job creation is an important issue for psychology majors who look for a government to provide them low-skill labor opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

Well if I'm being completely honest, no. Do I cry myself to sleep at night if unborn babies are killed? No. Do I weep every time two men have sex and/or get married? No. I honestly don't care either way. I just thought it was interesting how Obama koolaid drinkers and Willard koolaid drinkers worry about trivial shit like gay marriage and abortion. It's like those two issues are the most important ones and more important than the economy and job creation. I think survival is the only thing that most humans truely care about because death is the only thing that humans cannot escape. Yes, I know it's harsh, cruel, and vain but it's nature.

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I agree they're overrated issues. They're just successful to wedge and reel in votes. If you actually look at poll data though, they're nowhere near as important as other issues like the economy.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I agree they're overrated issues. They're just successful to wedge and reel in votes. If you actually look at poll data though, they're nowhere near as important as other issues like the economy.

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We already know neither candidate is going to do anything positive for the economy.

bitches should never have the right to make decisions on unborn babies' fates, the right belongs to their biological fathers, or the government if the bitches are too dumb to even know whom they got impregnated by. bitches are given the chances to decide whether or not to have babies when they're asked to have sex with guys, which they have the right to decline. it's an automatic "yes" choice when they stretch their legs out and expose their crotches with panties gone imho

To be honest, I'm only working my current job so I can sleep in a bed in a house/duplex at night. Like I said, it's about survival.

I think it sucks that homos can't get married but if I'm being honest, I'm not going to go out of my way to make sure they can get married. I am not passionate about the issue so I don't really care that much about it. The same goes for abortion. Homos and abortion don't affect me.

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

To be honest, I'm only working my current job so I can sleep in a bed in a house/duplex at night. Like I said, it's about survival.

I think it sucks that homos can't get married but if I'm being honest, I'm not going to go out of my way to make sure they can get married. I am not passionate about the issue so I don't really care that much about it. The same goes for abortion. Homos and abortion don't affect me.

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Yeah agreed, doesn't really affect me in any way at all nevertheless I hope they both become legal. If there was a real separation of church and state like there should be in a secular state it would have happened already tbh

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Originally Posted by ElNono

AFAIK, Democrats don't really have an issue with Roe vs Wade.

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I agree. The case that concerns most liberals would be Planned Parenthood vs. Casey. This case put more limitations on abortion. I do disagree with Manny though. I heard several people raise the issue at the democratic convention that they needed to re-elect the president so that left-leaning judges would be nominated to the bench. A president’s legacy can be greatly affected by the judged they appoint. Look to John Adams and Andrew Jackson as early examples of chief judges they nominated that greatly altered the Supreme Court and its role.

"Democrats don't really have an issue with Roe vs Wade."

bullshit. Dems and most Americans are pro-choice, and pro-contraception, even Catholics. Bible-thumpers and their Repug exploiters are anti-abortion, and anti-contraception, and anti-health-care for poor women, eg, TX destroying perinatal health care for poor women, which should increase TX abortions from 80K to 100K/year. fucking brilliant.

Top Romney Adviser Calls Romney’s New Abortion Position ‘Completely Consistent’


Mitt Romney changed his stance on abortion in a late appeal to moderate voters last week, saying, “There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda.”

Romney’s statement contradicts his pledge earlier this campaign to usher in anti-choice legislation. However, senior Romney adviser Ed Gillespie maintained on Sunday that the candidate has stayed “completely consistent” throughout the campaign.

Senior campaign adviser Ed Gillespie said on Fox News Sunday:

FOX’S CHRIS WALLACE: Why would he say he has no legislative agenda when there are at least two bills we know of that he would sign?

GILLESPIE: He would sign those bills. I think what they were talking about was the economy obviously [...]

WALLACE: He was talking abortion. When he was talking to the Des Moines Register he wasn’t talking about the economy, he was talking about abortion.

GILLESPIE: He has been consistent throughout the campaign. Governor Romney believes that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided that it should be overturned that the American people should be allowed to adress this very important issue through their elected representatives. He believes there shouldn’t be federal funding for abortion and will act immediately to ensure that is not the case by reversing the Mexico City policy. And he would indeed sign legislation that further protects innocent life. He has been completely consistent here.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...tion-position/

Gecko Etch-a-Sketched this way, then that way, then this way, which way is next? :lol

A man of firm moral principle no matter what the consequences (except when $Ms are involved, then ethics, morals, good faith don't apply). :lol

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Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Democrats really think if Romney gets in that abortion will be outlawed..it most certainly goes both ways.

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You only get away with doubting that will happen is if you haven't been paying attention.

Roe v. Wade has set a bar that Republican-dominated legislatures have been trying to get over to varying degrees of success for forty years. I could easily offer up the lists of passed and proposed bills to show an active, ready group of state lawmakers eager to outlaw abortion, if not outright, through making it so onerous and burdensome that it is practically outlawed.

The stated goal of people who want to overturn Roe V. Wade to make these laws possible, have plainly and forthrightly stated what they want to do, and intend to do, just as Ryan did in the debate. Again this information is easy to find.

The current split is generally held to be 5-4 to keep it.

Do you think that a Republican president with a chance to appoint 2-3 justices to that court is going to pass on tilting that balance?

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Originally Posted by RandomGuy

You only get away with doubting that will happen is if you haven't been paying attention.

Roe v. Wade has set a bar that Republican-dominated legislatures have been trying to get over to varying degrees of success for forty years. I could easily offer up the lists of passed and proposed bills to show an active, ready group of state lawmakers eager to outlaw abortion, if not outright, through making it so onerous and burdensome that it is practically outlawed.

The stated goal of people who want to overturn Roe V. Wade to make these laws possible, have plainly and forthrightly stated what they want to do, and intend to do, just as Ryan did in the debate. Again this information is easy to find.

The current split is generally held to be 5-4 to keep it.

Do you think that a Republican president with a chance to appoint 2-3 justices to that court is going to pass on tilting that balance?

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Who knows? The swing vote has been republican appointed, including in Planned Parenthood vs. Casey.

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Originally Posted by elbamba

Who knows? The swing vote has been republican appointed, including in Planned Parenthood vs. Casey.

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That is a valid point, however, although you can never be certain, that doesn't mean that people don't try to stack the deck. They do.

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

To be honest, I'm only working my current job so I can sleep in a bed in a house/duplex at night. Like I said, it's about survival.

I think it sucks that homos can't get married but if I'm being honest, I'm not going to go out of my way to make sure they can get married. I am not passionate about the issue so I don't really care that much about it. The same goes for abortion. Homos and abortion don't affect me.

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working on a shitty job doesn't give you a better bed to sleep in than not having one would tbh. the fetuses are technically not humans and it's not against humanity to all abortions on them for financial/health or other reasons if necessary, but the decisions shouldn't be made up to women that's my point

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Originally Posted by Jacob1983

To be honest, I'm only working my current job so I can sleep in a bed in a house/duplex at night. Like I said, it's about survival.

I think it sucks that homos can't get married but if I'm being honest, I'm not going to go out of my way to make sure they can get married. I am not passionate about the issue so I don't really care that much about it. The same goes for abortion. Homos and abortion don't affect me.

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For someone who supposedly doesn't care, you rant an awful lot about "them thar homos tryin' to marry each other," B....

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Originally Posted by elbamba

I agree. The case that concerns most liberals would be Planned Parenthood vs. Casey. This case put more limitations on abortion. I do disagree with Manny though. I heard several people raise the issue at the democratic convention that they needed to re-elect the president so that left-leaning judges would be nominated to the bench. A president’s legacy can be greatly affected by the judged they appoint. Look to John Adams and Andrew Jackson as early examples of chief judges they nominated that greatly altered the Supreme Court and its role.

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I don't think the limitations upheld per-se are what democrats find 'dangerous'. It's that at least two judges that remain in the SCOTUS (Scalia & Thomas) went on record in that case stating that Roe was decided incorrectly. Which really puts the onus on the court's composition if Roe is to survive.

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Do you think that a Republican president with a chance to appoint 2-3 justices to that court is going to pass on tilting that balance?

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I think Republican leadership is far less interested in overturning Roe v Wade than they are keeping it a hot button issue every two year election cycle.

Homos is short for homosexuals. If you want to throw the whole "look at this guy, he hates gay people and minorities so let's stone him to death at me" then why I would be working at a place that is full of gay people and minorities? I'm not perfect and I'm not the poster boy for equality or tolerance but I'm not the KKK racist type. I stereotype and make assumptions like everyone else but I'm not a part of the Klan. Thank you.

And again, right now I really only care about being able to sleep in a bed at my place and not starve to death. Yes, I know it's fucked up and probably the reason why I'm still stuck at a shitty job but I'm fucked up in the head. I've made mistake after mistake and those mistakes have put me where I am right now. I was a naive dumbass when I was younger and it has cost me big time.

" I'm fucked up in the head"

Finally, you and I agree 100% on one thing.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

" I'm fucked up in the head"

Finally, you and I agree 100% on one thing.

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Peas in a pod no doubt.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I don't think the limitations upheld per-se are what democrats find 'dangerous'. It's that at least two judges that remain in the SCOTUS (Scalia & Thomas) went on record in that case stating that Roe was decided incorrectly. Which really puts the onus on the court's composition if Roe is to survive.

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I tried to draw a distinction between democrat and liberal. I agree that your run-of-the-mill democrat would not find the case dangerous. However, when I was in law school, this case pissed off all the hardcore liberals as it placed limitations on abortion.

I agree with your assesment. For those interested, here is a brief explanation from Scalia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Rj_MhS2u-Pk

Sorry but I am no good at actually posting the videos instead of the link.