Is trading for Anderson Varejao, really worth moving Splitter & Kawhi Leonard?

tbh I would say yes to Varejao for Splitter straight up if that actually worked. Cleveland would hang up of course.

Kawhi is close to untradeable with his potential.

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Originally Posted by Juggity

tbh I would say yes to Varejao for Splitter straight up if that actually worked. Cleveland would hang up of course.

Kawhi is close to untradeable with his potential.

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It doesn't, but if you throw in parts/salary relief like Bonner and CoJo, it does.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

why has everyone in this thread not replied with FUCK NO?

Are you insane?

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Um, yeah, they are.

Varejao is currently the best center in the Eastern conference, but I still wouldn't gave Leonard for him, although I am not that sold on Kawhi too. Okay, he is good and young, but he will never be better than a third option on a championship caliber team.
But I would happily regret these word after the next couple of seasons.

HELL NAWW!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/1dRcv.gif

Not at all.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

It doesn't, but if you throw in parts/salary relief like Bonner and CoJo, it does.

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This was my original idea a few months back...and I stand by it today. Throwing in Leonard is even below gnsf standards of dumb.

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Originally Posted by cd021

First this is just a rumor,scratch that, a trade idea, posted by "Pounding the Rock" (A great spurs site if you haven't heard)
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/...aliers-varejao

They float around the idea of moving Splitter, De Colo, Leonard, & Cory Joseph for Anderson Varejao and (presumably a couple of throw in players to because of roster maximums).

Personally, i really like Twilight (Splitter) & Leonard and think Cojo & De Colo have potential to be starting caliber players for years to come in San Antonio. Splitter has played very well this season (P.E.R. is over 20 this season) and Kawhi is still scratching the surface of his talent (Maybe an Andre Iggy or Stephen Jackson in his prime ,without the strip club shootouts:blah).

The proposed trade does keep Sjax which would be a plus but I personally think the deal isn't worth it, Granted Andy has been tic (understatement) this season.

What do you think?

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Varejao is a role player, and not that young. An expiring contract and a first rounder or maybe two could make some sense.

That would be a Cleveland Cavs version of the Herschel Walker Trade. Absurd.

I would not take Kahwi for varejao straight up.

No, it really isn't.

:lmao

If Splitter got the touches and minutes Varejao gets, he'd probably put up comparable numbers -- not as many rebounds but probably more points. On the Spurs, Varejao would probably be something like an eight-point, eight-rebound player ... and that's if he fits in well. He could easily be a bust in San Antonio because:

1) He averages a ton of offensive rebounds but that would dry up here. Pop values transition defense more than offensive boards. Would Varejao be able to make a sudden change in his game and give up those boards to get back on defense? Even if he does, how much of his value will be lost?

2) He relies a lot of pick-and-rolls, pick-and-pop and operating on the high post. Bigmen next to Duncan do very, very little of that. Instead, they are asked to spread the court and/or spend most every possession on the weakside. How would Varejao handle going from second or third option to fifth option? Obviously, the Spurs aren't going to mess with how Duncan is playing to accommodate someone like Varejao.

3) Varejao's numbers have improved in recent seasons but has his basketball IQ improved? Back in the 2007 Finals, he was one of the best players on the Spurs in crunch time. It was only a matter of time before he'd make some sort of mental mistake to hurt the Cavs. In the following playoff runs, those mental mistakes continued. We haven't seen him in the playoffs in the last couple years so there's no proof that he has become more intelligent when the pressure is on. In fact, such improvement is rare.



Personally, I think the Varejao love from Spurs fans is a simple case of people falling in love with his statistics without really thinking about how he'd actually fit. It'd be great if we could just transpose his stats from the Cavs and get those numbers on the Spurs ...... but that's not how it works. Varejao is a very good player nowadays but did he improve THAT much or is this just a case of the talent around him depleting so much that he's forced to step into a much bigger role?

Personally, I think Varejao is the modern day Andrei Kirilenko circa 2004. Everyone was so impressed with the numbers that Kirilenko was putting up that nobody blinked when the Jazz gave him a max contract. It wasn't until the Jazz started putting good pieces around him did people realize that Kirilenko wasn't as great as his previous numbers seemed; those stats were produced mostly because Utah had no one else capable of doing anything at the time. Once the talent improved, Kirilenko's numbers flat-lined as he adjusted to a more suitable role.

Needless to say, there's no way in hell I'd trade both Splitter and Kawhi for Varejao. I wouldn't trade Kawhi alone for Varejao. To be honest, I probably wouldn't even trade Splitter and trash for Varejao. Splitter's high ceiling gives the Spurs hope. Varejao's ceiling isn't as high and there are legitimate worries he won't fit well. Splitter, on the other hand, fits perfectly. There's a worry that Splitter will bomb out in the playoffs again but I'd take my chances.

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Originally Posted by timvp

If Splitter got the touches and minutes Varejao gets, he'd probably put up comparable numbers -- not as many rebounds but probably more points. On the Spurs, Varejao would probably be something like an eight-point, eight-rebound player ... and that's if he fits in well. He could easily be a bust in San Antonio because:

1) He averages a ton of offensive rebounds but that would dry up here. Pop values transition defense more than offensive boards. Would Varejao be able to make a sudden change in his game and give up those boards to get back on defense? Even if he does, how much of his value will be lost?

2) He relies a lot of pick-and-rolls, pick-and-pop and operating on the high post. Bigmen next to Duncan do very, very little of that. Instead, they are asked to spread the court and/or spend most every possession on the weakside. How would Varejao handle going from second or third option to fifth option? Obviously, the Spurs aren't going to mess with how Duncan is playing to accommodate someone like Varejao.

3) Varejao's numbers have improved in recent seasons but has his basketball IQ improved? Back in the 2007 Finals, he was one of the best players on the Spurs in crunch time. It was only a matter of time before he'd make some sort of mental mistake to hurt the Cavs. In the following playoff runs, those mental mistakes continued. We haven't seen him in the playoffs in the last couple years so there's no proof that he has become more intelligent when the pressure is on. In fact, such improvement is rare.



Personally, I think the Varejao love from Spurs fans is a simple case of people falling in love with his statistics without really thinking about how he'd actually fit. It'd be great if we could just transpose his stats from the Cavs and get those numbers on the Spurs ...... but that's not how it works. Varejao is a very good player nowadays but did he improve THAT much or is this just a case of the talent around him depleting so much that he's forced to step into a much bigger role?

Personally, I think Varejao is the modern day Andrei Kirilenko circa 2004. Everyone was so impressed with the numbers that Kirilenko was putting up that nobody blinked when the Jazz gave him a max contract. It wasn't until the Jazz started putting good pieces around him did people realize that Kirilenko wasn't as great as his previous numbers seemed; those stats were produced mostly because Utah had no one else capable of doing anything at the time. Once the talent improved, Kirilenko's numbers flat-lined as he adjusted to a more suitable role.

Needless to say, there's no way in hell I'd trade both Splitter and Kawhi for Varejao. I wouldn't trade Kawhi alone for Varejao. To be honest, I probably wouldn't even trade Splitter and trash for Varejao. Splitter's high ceiling gives the Spurs hope. Varejao's ceiling isn't as high and there are legitimate worries he won't fit well. Splitter, on the other hand, fits perfectly. There's a worry that Splitter will bomb out in the playoffs again but I'd take my chances.

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100% this

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Originally Posted by timvp

Personally, I think the Varejao love from Spurs fans is a simple case of people falling in love with his statistics without really thinking about how he'd actually fit. It'd be great if we could just transpose his stats from the Cavs and get those numbers on the Spurs ...... but that's not how it works. Varejao is a very good player nowadays but did he improve THAT much or is this just a case of the talent around him depleting so much that he's forced to step into a much bigger role?

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Fair enough. Nobody in their right mind would trade both Splitter and Leonard for Varejao and I wouldn't trade Leonard alone for him either. That being said, you shoot down every realistic and even semi-realistic trade candidate for the Spurs, claiming they wouldn't be a good fit. Which begs the question: Out of realistic candidates, who do you think would be a good fit?

Yes. We don't need Leonard or Splitter. AV would make us a contender again. AV does what Fab did. Without a move, we are just regular season champs again. If that's good enough for everyone (it is for me) then leave it be. If you want to build a contender, you have to move pieces and no one wants Mills or Blair.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Yes. We don't need Leonard or Splitter. AV would make us a contender again. AV does what Fab did. Without a move, we are just regular season champs again. If that's good enough for everyone (it is for me) then leave it be. If you want to build a contender, you have to move pieces and no one wants Mills or Blair.

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Really? Would Pop start Varejao? He doesn't spread the floor,but if he would, our bench would be weaker with Mills, Neal, Manu, Bonner and Boris. That wouldn't make us any better

You keep Leonard Part VI, period.

Holy fuck no.

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Originally Posted by Brunodf

Really? Would Pop start Varejao? He doesn't spread the floor,but if he would, our bench would be weaker with Mills, Neal, Manu, Bonner and Boris. That wouldn't make us any better

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Good bench gets us through the regular season, but the rotation shortens for playoff teams. We have Manu and Jax and Neal off the bench, we're golden. AV would get plenty of playing time. Danny Green has taken Leonard's spot in the starting lineup.

I like Leonard, wish we could keep him, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for AV.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Good bench gets us through the regular season, but the rotation shortens for playoff teams. We have Manu and Jax and Neal off the bench, we're golden. AV would get plenty of playing time. Danny Green has taken Leonard's spot in the starting lineup.

I like Leonard, wish we could keep him, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for AV.

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The toughest teams in the NBA, teams that we would have to go through to win it have a SF/PF type that is their best player. You know, Kevin Durant, Lebron, Rudy Gay, Carmelo. You ever heard of those guys? Who is going to defend those players? Jack can't defend them the whole game himself and stay out of foul trouble every game. Danny is better suited to guard SGs and PGs IMO, possibly some SFs too, not guys that can play SF/PF.

Trading both Kawhi and Tiago for him is just stupid. Why would you even consider it, let alone say that we need to make that trade?

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Originally Posted by DMC

Good bench gets us through the regular season, but the rotation shortens for playoff teams. We have Manu and Jax and Neal off the bench, we're golden. AV would get plenty of playing time. Danny Green has taken Leonard's spot in the starting lineup.

I like Leonard, wish we could keep him, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for AV.

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Who is starting at 2 if u put Jack/Manu/Neal off the bench, and u no longer have Decolo and Leonard.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Good bench gets us through the regular season, but the rotation shortens for playoff teams. We have Manu and Jax and Neal off the bench, we're golden. AV would get plenty of playing time. Danny Green has taken Leonard's spot in the starting lineup.

I like Leonard, wish we could keep him, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for AV.

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Trading Leonard for varejao straghit up makes the spurs a worse team than they are now, still can't believe some of the offers spurs fans are coming up for varejao I rather just keep splitter who is showing progress and is just about as good as varejao if not better on his best day.