Is trading for Anderson Varejao, really worth moving Splitter & Kawhi Leonard?

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Originally Posted by Brunodf

Who is starting at 2 if u put Jack/Manu/Neal off the bench, and u no longer have Decolo and Leonard.

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Who's starting at 2 now?

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Originally Posted by Manu-20

Trading Leonard for varejao straghit up makes the spurs a worse team than they are now, still can't believe some of the offers spurs fans are coming up for varejao I rather just keep splitter who is showing progress and is just about as good as varejao if not better on his best day.

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Like I said, it depends on your outlook. You either build a contender or you play the hand you have.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Who's starting at 2 now?

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Neal

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Originally Posted by DMC

Who's starting at 2 now?

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Neal is starting at 2, you said he would be coming in off the bench after your proposed Varejao trade.

How about you clean up what you are saying and answer the questions asking why we would be a contender with AV instead of Kawhi and Tiago.

Who's going to guard the SF/PF types like I asked you? Gary Neal?

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

Trading Splitter for Varejao would be inching closer to trying to recreate the Spurs title teams of the mid 2000's. Less offense, more defense. Thats quite a gamble considering how our team has been gelling as an offensive juggernaut with great situational defense. Not to mention "throwing in" Kawhi

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I'd actually disagreed with that statement, Varejao would be placed in the starting lineup with Duncan and the offense would be almost as potent. Varejao has excellent hands and can finish at the rim (he actually reminds me a little of Oberto, if thats whats you meant)

With Cojo & De Colo moved in this trade ,Neal & Mills would see a minutes spike. Both compete on defense however both most of the time are simply out matched at the point, with quicker stronger, more athletic guards.

Jackson can still be a starter in this league but isn't nearly the dynamic scorer or defender he was, that being said the starting lineup won't change a ton with Blair being move to the bench and Manu, Neal, Mills, & Diaw still coming off the bench. The can still be a great backup unit ,less depth, but still potent offensively.

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Originally Posted by cd021

I'd actually disagreed with that statement, Varejao would be placed in the starting lineup with Duncan and the offense would be almost as potent. Varejao has excellent hands and can finish at the rim (he actually reminds me a little of Oberto, if thats whats you meant)

With Cojo & De Colo moved in this trade ,Neal & Mills would see a minutes spike. Both compete on defense however both most of the time are simply out matched at the point, with quicker stronger, more athletic guards.

Jackson can still be a starter in this league but isn't nearly the dynamic scorer or defender he was, that being said the starting lineup won't change a ton with Blair being move to the bench and Manu, Neal, Mills, & Diaw still coming off the bench. The can still be a great backup unit ,less depth, but still potent offensively.

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All that stuff you mention would make me nervous. A heck of a lot of change could really disrupt our chemistry. And Splitter is a much more potent pick and roll player than Andy is

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Originally Posted by DMC

Yes. We don't need Leonard or Splitter. AV would make us a contender again. AV does what Fab did. Without a move, we are just regular season champs again. If that's good enough for everyone (it is for me) then leave it be. If you want to build a contender, you have to move pieces and no one wants Mills or Blair.

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I think you significantly overvaluing Varejao and under stating the importance of Kawhi & Tiago. Splitter is an elite P&R finisher and Kawhi is continuing to develop but is already an above average, athletic defender who can score with out the ball (cutting and spot up 3's) and he is a fantastic rebounder for a small forward. The Spurs are 5th in defensive efficiency without two of our best wing defenders there's reason to believe we will get even better on that end and we are STILL underachieving on the offensive end (scary thought)

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Originally Posted by TD 21

That being said, you shoot down every realistic and even semi-realistic trade candidate for the Spurs, claiming they wouldn't be a good fit.

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AFAIK, I've only "shot down" Varejao and Millsap this season.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Which begs the question: Out of realistic candidates, who do you think would be a good fit?

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Who are the reasonable candidates? I'll let you know what I think if you come up with a list.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

All that stuff you mention would make me nervous. A heck of a lot of change could really disrupt our chemistry. And Splitter is a much more potent pick and roll player than Andy is

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Fair enough, but think of it like this, Moving 4 players would be less disturbing to the chemistry than adding 4 players. Essentially we would land Andi & maybe a couple of cheap players ,who aren't likely to crack a rotation.

One player who already has a history of playing with Parker & Diaw shouldn't hurt chemistry at all. Its not like A QB & a new receiver Andi has excellent hands and can finish no matter who he's playing with or where is playing at. He can defend the P&R'S & board his ass off even if he was playing at Rucker Park.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Good bench gets us through the regular season, but the rotation shortens for playoff teams. We have Manu and Jax and Neal off the bench, we're golden. AV would get plenty of playing time. Danny Green has taken Leonard's spot in the starting lineup.

I like Leonard, wish we could keep him, but I would trade him in a heartbeat for AV.

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Think you're trollin' but I think the Spurs' rebounding begs to differ with the idea of Green being a long-term starting small forward. And I'm not exactly sure how Neal is supposed to start and come off the bench, tbh.

Trading away Leonard for a bigman who doesn't fit well next to TD, isn't much of a defender these days (opposing bigmen put up a ~20 PER against him last year, that's Blair level futility), won't be able to take advantage of his main strength (offensive rebounding) and would be lucky to play 20 MPG against the Thunder or Heat in the playoffs? Yeah, no, I don't see the opposing argument.

Splitter for Varejao is arguable. That swap would be a matter of whether you want a high ceiling or a high floor.

Leonard for Varejao makes no sense because the Spurs would be taking from an area of weakness (perimeter defending small forwards) to fill an area that might not be a weakness (if Splitter peaks and Diaw tries hard) and might not even be a deciding factor in the playoffs (since so many teams are going small).

But ya, my trolldar is blaring.

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Originally Posted by timvp

AFAIK, I've only "shot down" Varejao and Millsap this season.

Who are the reasonable candidates? I'll let you know what I think if you come up with a list.

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Utah & Minnesota

Utah doesn't seem willing (nor should they be) to commit long term to both Jefferson & Milsap. Canter & Favors are studs in the making and keeping even one for more than 3 seasons could cut into minutes that would be better suited for devolopment. They've even been to playing Favors, Jefferson, & Milsap together just to find addition minutes for Favors.

Minnesota seems like they could use another big man besides Love & Pekovic they are a little thin maybe moving Blair for a conditional 1st would be an option.

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Originally Posted by dunkman

Varejao is a role player, and not that young. An expiring contract and a first rounder or maybe two could make some sense.

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Cleveland wants young talent in return, Andi has been one of the best role players in the NBA for years. They are already hoarding draft picks I'd doubt they'd move their most valuable asset for more cap space. They barely used the 11 million they had this past off season. Leonard would be a fantastic get for them he would go nicely with Irving & Waiters. Cojo & De Colo are solid prospects than can be long term rotation players for them.

I'm not actually sure if can trade this years pick for him because of the rule that says you can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.

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Originally Posted by timvp

AFAIK, I've only "shot down" Varejao and Millsap this season.

Who are the reasonable candidates? I'll let you know what I think if you come up with a list.

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Williams, Vesely, Patterson, Aminu, Teletovic...

Varejao thread!!!!!!!!!

Laughably bad trade.

damn spur fan still high on splitter ?!

Other than Tim all of the bigs pretty much suck. I would not trade Kawhi, but I could live without Splitter, Blair, Bonner or Diaw on this team... Blair is the first on the list that needs to pack his bags, but it also suck that we would not get anything major for him.

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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger

Other than Tim all of the bigs pretty much suck. I would not trade Kawhi, but I could live without Splitter, Blair, Bonner or Diaw on this team... Blair is the first on the list that needs to pack his bags, but it also suck that we would not get anything major for him.

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Not major, anything at all, no one wants to even send a pick for him.

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and that's just sad.... Dont think we get anything better for other bigs.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Cleveland wants young talent in return, Andi has been one of the best role players in the NBA for years. They are already hoarding draft picks I'd doubt they'd move their most valuable asset for more cap space. They barely used the 11 million they had this past off season. Leonard would be a fantastic get for them he would go nicely with Irving & Waiters. Cojo & De Colo are solid prospects than can be long term rotation players for them.

I'm not actually sure if can trade this years pick for him because of the rule that says you can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.

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The Spurs had to wait for Splitter several seasons after drafting him. After that, they had to pay much more than the rookie scale. Splitter was always more talented than Varejao and Nene.

The Spurs had to ship Scola to get De Colo, and let him develop for several years. He may be a solid pass-first PG, something that generates synergies and makes the team better.

To get the opportunity to draft Kawhi, the Spurs had to draft Hill and develop him for several seasons. The Spurs struggled a lot to find an acceptable replacement for Bowen. Kawhi is also very important for the small-ball because he's a good rebounder. Some of the best NBA teams, like OKC or the Heat, use small-ball line-ups regularly.

Finally, the Spurs used an first rounder for Cory and they invested in his development.

To give all those players for Varejao, who's already 30 and who made one all-defensive team, plus he will be all-star/all NBA this season, just seems too much. He may not probably post the 15/15 numbers with the Spurs, the same way RJ didn't replicated his stats from the Bucks and the Nets. It just doesn't make much sense to dismantle the roster for him.

The Spurs could keep those 4 players and add K-Mart. If he doesn't fit, they could sign West as FA the next season for the MLE.

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Originally Posted by timvp

AFAIK, I've only "shot down" Varejao and Millsap this season.

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You've shot down every candidate I've seen mentioned (that you've commented on and I've seen, obviously).

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Who are the reasonable candidates? I'll let you know what I think if you come up with a list.

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You know, guys they could get or at least possibly get without parting with the big three, Leonard and most likely Splitter, Green and Diaw, as well.

No, the idea was for you to come up with a list . . . or are you satisfied with what they have?

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Originally Posted by dunkman

they could sign West as FA the next season for the MLE.

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West will be worth a lot more than the MLE

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Originally Posted by xtremesteven33

Also the West doesnt pose a dominant big man anymore so the need for a scrappy defender isnt a top priority as much.

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Dwight Howard/Pau Gasol/Marc Gasol/Zach Randolph?

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Originally Posted by xtremesteven33

I say if Its not broken dont try and fix it. I would love to have Varejao but Im definitely not moving Splitter and Leonard for him. Both are showing alot of promise in the Spurs system.
Also the West doesnt pose a dominant big man anymore so the need for a scrappy defender isnt a top priority as much. The league is changing to where small ball is really the way to counter play now. Im really digging the Spurs roster right now as it is. Everybody is contributing from top to bottom and look hungry more than ever.

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+1

outside of tim we probably have the shittiest collection of bigs in the league. Just plain sad.