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Yes I want a chucking PF with range to open things up, be it Teletovic, Bustnani or anyone. OKC's rim protection is too much otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by benstanfield
Bustnani couldn't do worse than Tiago's 3 rebounds and the humilation by Ibaka on D.
You have got to be kidding me. I try to stay out of these conversations, but the bolded is just not an educated opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paranoid Pop
Of course he was often drawn out of the paint or helping on Durant but bottom line is he was to slow to be efficient on D.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSkeptic
I don't disagree that Splitter didn't do a good job on Ibaka. My main point is that Bargnani is not the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paranoid Pop
3 rebounds in 22 minutes is what we consider a bad night on the boards from Tiago. 3 rebounds in 30+ minutes is not unusual with Bargnani. I don't have the precise stats with me, but there probably aren't too many 6 foot 10+ players in NBA history who rebound as badly as Bargnani does. Last night's game was partially lost due to rebounding and since Bargs doesn't usually box out or do anything to get boards, he wouldn't have helped last night on that front.
Defensively
Tiago is normally decent. He rotates, he hedges, he's smart, and he's mobile. Bargs can only guard the post decently -he's not a rim protector by any stretch of the imagination-. He's also slow(er than Tiago) to recover, he doesn't help, and his lack of defensive awareness would've probably resulted in Ibaka scoring *and* nobody helping out with penetration. The work Tiago did against Aldridge, for instance, is just not the type of thing Bargs is capable of on a consistent basis.
Believe it or not, I actually kinda like Bargnani. He's a potent offensive player who can drop 20 points or more on any given night. When he's allowed to work from midrange/the paint area, he's surprisingly good on the offensive end of the floor and if he's given a structured defensive system he won't singlehandedly sink the team on that end either. But if you want someone who can actually address San Antonio's bench big problem as far as better rebounding off the bench goes, Amir Johnson is the only player from Toronto that the Spurs should be looking at. He's slightly undersized to play the 5 but if Tiago's moonlighting as a bench big as well, Johnson easily shores up a lot of roster issues and he can be counted on to spell TD or Splitter if either are in foul trouble or whatever.
JA looks decent but still doesn't have very good handles...
You make fair points TheSkeptic, wanting Bargnani is irrationnal I know, especially if it means parting with Tiago. I just we'd have a confident trigger happy stretch 4 as an alternative for Boris.
^^ Welcome back. :D I actually kinda understand it because Bargnani can do a decent Dirk impression when he tries. Last season before he got hurt he was playing like a legit all-star. This season he's been taken out of that midrange area to make room for Val and Derozan and he's souring on the Raptors which has seriously brought down his numbers. You really can't use him as a 3 point specialist but the Raptors are determined to do so. With a change of scenery and a coach like Pop, Bargs could do a lot of damage on a nightly basis and the offensive potential is tantalizing. The problem is that he doesn't have the skills San Antonio needs in order to get over the hump against teams like OKC, the Clippers, or Memphis. Our offense in most of these games has been good enough without him.
Diaw has the talent, range, and shooting percentages to be the stretch 4/playmaker for the Spurs. His problem is that he's coasting. Theoretically though, Pop could kick Diaw a few times and get him going that way.
I think that's why most people are more concerned about acquiring a big who can rebound and defend. Bonner just won't cut it in either role.