Why cant the spurs pull off any big trades?

I am not going to pretend that I know how trades work or why the spurs can't pull any off. I am here to ask why? Why is it that many posters get mad when a fellow fan proposes a trade idea? Perhaps the fan is just tired of seeing his team lose in the playoffs and not win a title. Why is that only the Lakers can trade a bag of potato chips for Dwight Howard? I mean come on, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Rudy Gay, Monta Ellis, Anderson Varejoa, Josh Smith, Larry Sanders and a number of other possible trade targets but the Spurs cant land any of them? Well if anyone could explain why I would really appreciate it. I only started watching NBA basketball 4 years ago, so I don't know how the Spurs front office works.

Well, we landed Richard Jefferson for a bag of potato chips. That should tell you all you need to know.

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Partly because of a kind of cheap owner and partly because the front office continually refuses to trade one of the big 3. If you take away available players with a large salary and/or a long term contract and players that are worth one of the big 3, then suddenly you are stuck with kurt thomas and occasional money saving moves like trading away scola. But you have to ask do the you want the Spurs front office to do big trades? The last time they spent the money, they got you know who...

I'm actually surprised they never traded away ginobili though.

I also put it down to the spurs playing system basketball instead of iso and athlete driven basketball. This limits the spurs to looking for specific sorts of players with know personalities. It also tends to not allow the spurs players to put up gaudy stats that will get other front offices salivating. Also a spurs player hasn't had the opportunity to show off high flying moves that raise their profile.

So a mid level talent on modest salaries doesn't tend to make the math easy. Especially for getting high level talent for other teams unless that player has issues as a person or with a team mind set in which case the spurs don't want to take the risk.

system players....lol spurfans continue to overrate their own players nobody wants...

Spurs are a boring team that nobody wants to come over here and play

The Spurs didn't have much redundant talent in the past. They traded away first rounders to avoid paying guaranteed contracts and to unload not that bad contracts, some first rounders flopped since the Spurs always pick too low, during the dynasty years the Spurs left walk talented players for nothing in return, SA isn't that attractive for big FA's names, the Spurs don't like paying luxury tax, the league doesn't help the Spurs sign big FA's, and when the Spurs were the best no GM was going to help them.

The 09, 10, 11 runs were disappointing, but the 12 run was solid. It has to be seen what happens in 13. After a blowout loss to OKC, it seems the chances are marginal, but many things may happen. This roster lacks an solid bigman, though its more complete than most Spurs rosters of the past.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

I am not going to pretend that I know how trades work or why the spurs can't pull any off. I am here to ask why? Why is it that many posters get mad when a fellow fan proposes a trade idea? Perhaps the fan is just tired of seeing his team lose in the playoffs and not win a title. Why is that only the Lakers can trade a bag of potato chips for Dwight Howard? I mean come on, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Rudy Gay, Monta Ellis, Anderson Varejoa, Josh Smith, Larry Sanders and a number of other possible trade targets but the Spurs cant land any of them? Well if anyone could explain why I would really appreciate it. I only started watching NBA basketball 4 years ago, so I don't know how the Spurs front office works.

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How can I put this into an analogy most understand.........

To answer your question: The reason is the same reason why you can't walk into a bank and take out a million dollar loan; lack of assets.

Too much $$$ tied up in aging players that keep the fans in the seats,relatively.For all the winning SA has pretty poor attendance at home.Couple that w/ a cheap owner and you get the dilemma were in today.A lotta young cheap players on minimal contracts but not top tier athletes or stand-outs.

As much as I like Sjax his salary for his production is ludicrous compared to who we could get for that $$$ better and younger tbh.Keeping the Big Three happy and riding Timmy gracefully out into the sunset before tank-o-rama in one or two years seems to be the goal.

Though its tough to see a future w/ Pop at the helm,the NBAs slide into Monkeyball doesnt bode well for him or his coaching strategies.Let alone his wagging of the NBA dog.Say we play OKC in the WCF,do you really wanna watch those guys run all over the Spurs again while the refs choke their whistles.They (OKC) know they can manhandle the Spurs w/o getting called for fouls while anyone even breathing on Durant is called.I saw it enough last year,and that pumped up look/aggressiveness people talk about in the Thunder is because they KNOW they are treated by the NBA that way(well Lebron eats first as we saw,but hey thats the dual Stern wants) If SA is dumb enough to get in the way,lookout!

I mean in my heart I want the good guys to win,but I just don't see it given the sorry track record and the reffing in Game 6 of the WCF.I mean that just laid the NBA's cards bare on the table and nary a protest was heard from the basketball media.They got away with it then w/o any repercussions,you dont think more of the same is in store if we get that far????

Only way we ever ring like the Duncan era is hope we get lucky and draft the next Duncan caliber player it aint gonna happen any other way.Its kinda weird its like Timmy is the NBA poster boy who lingered too long,league isnt interested in showcasing him anymore,he didnt help w/ his low key persona but thats the modern NBA it is what it is unfortunately.You cant NOT play by the corporations rule book and expect to treated the same at the table as those who do.Hundreds of millions of $$$ in merch rights and tv contracts,corporate $$$ all will see to that,and if you dont think so,well its a nice world yer seeing through yer eyes!

That said GO SPURS!!!!

The owner is poor

We aren't the Lakers.

We don't have anything to trade, end of story.

No one desirable wants to live in that shithole of a city called SA.

Spurs play predictable, boring basketball

Tim is the face of the franchise

Pop's "system" doesn't inspire monkeyballers, though they will say publicly that it does.

It's not part of our DNA.

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Originally Posted by crc21209

We don't have anything to trade, end of story.

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Most years, I'd agree. But now, the Spurs have everything they need to get most players who are traded every year: expiring contracts, decent to good young players and draft picks. The issue is that the only players talked about in the trade market are either on expiring contracts (where the value of the Spurs' expiring contracts are mitigated), or on teams holding out for a superstar or a lotto-pick player.

I think the Spurs haven't made a trade so far because they don't want to ruin chemistry by trading good players for unknown fits and because they don't want to tie up their salary cap by taking players will bad contracts. I imagine they could get Tyrus Thomas, Drew Gooden or Glen Davis right now if they really wanted to. Those players don't seem like they could help the Spurs, but they are the ones who are usually traded, rather than the superstars or young players with potential about whom we spend our time fantasizing.

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Originally Posted by robdiaz2191

I am not going to pretend that I know how trades work or why the spurs can't pull any off. I am here to ask why?

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Maybe because of something you did.

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Originally Posted by DMC

No one desirable wants to live in that shithole of a city called SA.

Spurs play predictable, boring basketball

Tim is the face of the franchise

Pop's "system" doesn't inspire monkeyballers, though they will say publicly that it does.

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Been saying this for years. Now I'm not excusing Jefferson in any way shape or form and I'm glad we got rid of him, but he is a perfect example of a super athletic guy that came into the Spurs "system" and somehow turned into only a spot-up 3 point shooter.

Pop just doesn't know how to use those guys, so he hides behind the system. He'd rather have a flat footed, no hops 35 yr old that is "in the right spot" on D, than someone that will occasionally leave his man to go make a athletic play.

Bruce Bowen was no Bag of Chips, he was much more than that..Still hate losing him to this day..You notice every since losing him we have not been anywhere close to a Championship?..He still had much left in the tank

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Originally Posted by UZER

Been saying this for years. Now I'm not excusing Jefferson in any way shape or form and I'm glad we got rid of him, but he is a perfect example of a super athletic guy that came into the Spurs "system" and somehow turned into only a spot-up 3 point shooter.

Pop just doesn't know how to use those guys, so he hides behind the system. He'd rather have a flat footed, no hops 35 yr old that is "in the right spot" on D, than someone that will occasionally leave his man to go make a athletic play.

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Pop is indeed a bit rigid with his system, as you as you can hit the 3 he will love you for years...

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Originally Posted by Paranoid Pop

Pop is indeed a bit rigid with his system, as you as you can hit the 3 he will love you for years...

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It infects all the players which is a blessing and a curse. Jefferson caught countless lobs before his SA days. When he came to SA, they ran only one lob play for him which others teams picked up on and snuffed out. That's all Pop came up with for all his athleticism.

And players don't throw lobs or even look to throw any lobs because Pop will give them an ear full if the ball gets turned over. There have been countless time where back door lobs along the bassline are open, but no...it's the players job to stand in the corner in this system. Pop has taught his players to never go out of the system.


In before the "Then go watch the Clippers" comments.

Because all proposed ST trades involve Bonner? :p:

lol spurfan

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Originally Posted by UZER

It infects all the players which is a blessing and a curse. Jefferson caught countless lobs before his SA days. When he came to SA, they ran only one lob play for him which others teams picked up on and snuffed out. That's all Pop came up with for all his athleticism.

And players don't throw lobs or even look to throw any lobs because Pop will give them an ear full if the ball gets turned over. There have been countless time where back door lobs along the bassline are open, but no...it's the players job to stand in the corner in this system. Pop has taught his players to never go out of the system.


In before the "Then go watch the Clippers" comments.

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I agree, it's a strength as well as a weakness because it make you efficient but predictable and pretty rigid, it's only recently that KY got the opportunity to take some midrange shots... And the lob has been mia for a while... That rigidity is also why we need a secondary playmaker with plenty of creativity like Manu, De Colo and Boris (kind of) at all times.

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Originally Posted by crc21209

We don't have anything to trade, end of story.

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If that's the case, we are not as deep as everybody says.
I think we have assets, the problems seems to be (of the top of my head):
- Finding a good trade team, not easy to get bigs, which is what the Spurs need. Theres a "rule": Never trade big for small (Blair, Diaw are not bigs)
- Spurs market, low profile.
- I cant speak intelligently about the San Antonio City (i have never been there, but i know its not Miami or LA)
- The Spurs need to win now. Theres no time to rebuild. So the player they get has to be a solid player NOW. It would be easier to trade small for big, if the big isnt a starter now.
- I'm not entirely sure about Pop system being an issue...but it could be. I think that could apply more to non PF/C players.

Off-topic: 1st Half, Minnesota 28 REB (11 OFF), Miami 10 REB...still Miami up 52-49 (Chalmers hit a 3pt in the last second).

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

Well, we landed Richard Jefferson for a bag of potato chips. That should tell you all you need to know.

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Not really. The Warriors got Festus Ezeli who could have probably have solved our bigman issues.

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Originally Posted by UZER

Been saying this for years. Now I'm not excusing Jefferson in any way shape or form and I'm glad we got rid of him, but he is a perfect example of a super athletic guy that came into the Spurs "system" and somehow turned into only a spot-up 3 point shooter.

Pop just doesn't know how to use those guys, so he hides behind the system. He'd rather have a flat footed, no hops 35 yr old that is "in the right spot" on D, than someone that will occasionally leave his man to go make a athletic play.

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The problem is it restricts the amount of players they can trade for because it has to be someone who will fit the system.