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With the Celtics looking dead and approaching a total rebuild, if the Spurs could somehow acquire KG in a salary dump + pick or a deal along those lines, would the Spurs do it?..
Would you risk chemistry? Would the fans accept KG in a Spurs uniform? Would Duncan accept KG on the team? Could he fit in with the quiet and understated Spurs style?..
I realize this is highly unlikely, but let's play hypothetical..
Stylistically, Garnett appears to be the perfect solution for the Spurs problems IMO(mobile defensive player, spacing out to 18-20 feet, elite passer, leadership/toughness)..
I don't think his toughness/attitude would be a problem on the Spurs, I think it's more him and Duncan can't stand one another. If you trade away some pieces who add to the chemistry, but add an asshole like Garnett, it could be a volatile mixture. He does give us something we need, and if it turned into a championship it would be worth it, but what happens if it doesn't? Then bad blood would probably remain. It's definitely an interesting proposition and one I hope they've thought about, discussed with Timmy etc...
What's your package to acquire him?
And does Tim really not like him?
If they really are trying to get Cousins and spurs could somehow find their way to be involved in that trade and get one of bradley/garnett i wouldnt mind
spurs have to much useless depth
good for the reg season but id rather be 7/8 deep with higher quality nonredundant players
bradley would fix a lot of spurs defensive problems
him and leonard playing aggressive perimeter defense would be amazing
we could trap pick and rolls and not bend over to any team that runs it
A garnett/duncan/diaw or splitter frontcourt is the best in the league
all compliment each other perfectly
trade Duncan for Garnett...lol
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The need for a big man is vastly overblown if you go back and see who SAS had during their runs:
2007
Duncan, Oberto, Horry, Elson
2005
Duncan, Nazr, Horry, Rasho
2003
Duncan, DRob, MRose
So Duncan is still there, and Splittler, Diaw, and Bonner can easily contribute in the manner those other big men did. The kicker is that this current team is talented in the backcourt in a way like never before. So I say stay put, hope every player is healthy, and if the shots go down at the same rate as the regular season, a Finals run is more than probable.
Kevin Willis was the man in 2003.
LOL at BONNER contribute like the rest of them when? Sure as hell not in the f in playoffs when it counts bro, not even close to those guys in the title runs they had! He is a bum when it counts, I still laugh at his name even being mentioned in a run or the playoffs. You get regular season guys and those that have that IT factor, well he doesn't have near that IT factor like those guys did regardless of regular season numbers my friend!Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs1990
Tim hates him. Won't happen.
Milsap
Difference is that the Duncan they had in those runs and the one they've had in the last few playoffs are two different players. Ya he's been resurgent so far and everyone hopes it continues, but that is a lot to put on a guy with a lot of miles and a long road before the playoffs start. Secondly, your replacing a HOF center (albeit at the end of his career) in 2003, and one of the most clutch shooters of all time especially in the playoffs in '05 and '07, with the biggest playoff choker of all time in Bonner, who can't contribute in the playoffs period so cross him off the list of those that can "easily" contribute. Then you've got Diaw who has been wildly inconsistent this season, meaning your left with Splitter and small-ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs1990
Not that I think a Garnett trade is likely, or even possible given the animosity between him and Duncan, but there is no chance of the Spurs winning a title without a big man. They aren't the Heat or OKC, the refs aren't going to call the wind for fouls on Spurs players, and with the rest of the west particularly LAL, Memphis, and LAC all with better frontcourts, the Spurs aren't going far without some help
What are KG's contract numbers like? With Manu and Jack coming of the books next year, would you want to add another commitment to someone who, while is still a great player, past their prime? Throw in the chemistry issue, not sure I'd do it.
Duncan obviously hates Garnett .... ...not going to happen
Of course I would take Garnett...but what would it take to get him?
I'm guessing Boston would ask for Splitter. Also maybe Jack's expiring. But yes, I would take him.
The thing is Duncan was still a superstar big man during the championship years. Right now, he's playing very well, but there is still a chance Duncan will eventually get tired towards the playoffs. I don't believe that Splitter would be reliable enough to carry the team. Diaw and Bonner? Yeah right.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs1990
I've always hated KG with a passion but the time has come where it'd be good to see him in silver n black. He has everything we need. He's tall, can rebound and play good D, he's very energetic and plays with fire, has moves in the post and a nice outside J. He'd instantly be the second best big on our team. I'm sure Tim is mature enough to set his feelings aside, it'd probably be fun to chase a ring with a former arch enemy.
Of course, Jackson's expiring is pretty much all we can offer. It's time for the C's to rebuild. I'm sure the C's could do better for him.
No. Tim Duncan dislikes KG.
tbh I would take that deal in a heartbeat. Getting Garnett now is worth giving up Splitter and Jack. Tim came to play this season. It may be the last season in which he plays at a high enough level make a finals run possible. If you have an opportunity to surround Duncan with somebody who solves a large portion of the spurs' defensive woes, has good mobility, and can knock down jumpers/score in the post it's a no brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
Winning now is more important than preparing for a post-Duncan future, and I'd be willing to cut Splitter out of that future picture if it means acquiring Kevin Garnett now. I wouldn't be worried about chemistry issues with Duncan. Garnett wants to win. Duncan wants to win. They would put aside past differences.
But KG has a contract worth about what resigning Jack AND Tiago would probably cost next summer. So put a little more talent on the Boston side of the trade proposed, while giving them even more cap relief...Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggity
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bz7zb4u
KG + Avery Bradley + Fab Melo for Jackson + Splitter + Neal + Picks/Rights
Then dump Blair for a pick and sign Gelabale.
I know, pipe dream, but if Cetics want to go into rebuilding mode...
:lol @ spur fans entertaining this idea.
It won't happen, for reasons already stated in this thread.
he's the perfect fit to play alongside timmy, then again it wont happen.
Timmy hates that piece of shit.
So the Cs give up two talented young players and a hall of famer for two 27 years olds? In what way is that rebuilding?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlAVaK
The Celtics should rebuild, but thats more down to Pierce than Garnett. They can't full on rebuild with him there, so they'd have to be willing to trade him as well as Garnett
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Originally Posted by z0sa
KG is the anti-Tim. He's loud and in your face...until the fourth quarter rolls around, and then he vanishes. Mr. hot potato with the ball late in games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny.Zhu
He'd be a good addition to the Spurs. Also, fuck him. I'd rather see him crumpled on the court holding his shattered knee than see him in a Spurs uniform.
1. The OP correctly labeled this as a highly unlikely hypothetical. It's funny that some people think that Boston would have to add Bradley in order to salary dump KG. They won't need to add any sweetener if they just want to get rid of him.
2. No need to add anything to the TD factor in approving KG coming to the Spurs.
3. KG has a no-trade clause in his contract. Does anyone really think he would approve a trade to become a role player on Tim Duncan's team? I know anything is possible, but some things are unlikely in the extreme.
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Originally Posted by FlAVaK
I think this is the best idea, I have heard all year..............:downspin::downspin::downspin::d ownspin:
Obviously you'd trade for him if possible. But, yeah, would never happen.
BTW ... :lol @ "KG is a much better player than TD now, he deserves a much bigger contract" ... I'm not going to point fingers but there were quite a few peeps around these parts who held that opinion not too long ago.
the only player I never wanted on the Spurs is Karl Malone. I hated his dirty, scumbag ass with a passion. If the Spurs decide to get Garnett, hopefully without gutting our lineup too much, I would be able to accept it........even if I have never been a fan of garnett and his bullshit antics.....like only stepping to the smaller players.
KG would rather retire.
If this somehow happened I would cream everywhere.
No thanks
Since it would never happen, there's really no point in playing this hypothetical.
There are many options. The one that would make the most sense for the Spurs is Jackson and Blair for Garnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
I doubt the Celtics are ready to throw the towel though.
P/S: In a scale from 1 to 10 how much would Duncan hate to trade Jackson for Garnett?
Fk yes.
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Talking about improbable shit, how about Garnett + spare for Old Gasol ? I think it would be a win-win for both parties, but veeeery unlikely to happen (Celtics & Lakers trading ? lol). :D
How is that a win for the Celtics?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
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Originally Posted by DAF86
- Better post player & good all around game
- Capable of carrying Kobe to multiple championships, that has to count bigtime !
Gasol's bad journey so far this season is because of DHo & D'Antoni problems -and Tendonosis thing doesn't make stuffs easier, all of that will go away in Boston. And while his contract is bigger, will last one less year than Garnett's one who's 4 years older.
I could see Garnett being an improvement for LA over Gasol (better defensive player, more mobile, more reliable mid-range shooter -this season at least-, appears heathier), I don't see how Gasol could make a difference for the Celtics, maybe a marginal improvement at best but that doesn't help them very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
Yeah, the health angle makes thing a bit better on LA side, but IMHO, Gasol offensive game in the post & its reliability are much better compared to Garnett, and also his post defense is better. Basically this comes to the fact that both players play out of position in their respective teams, and the trade will amend that problem. Ofcourse, this trade is only logical if the Celts is confident that they're still competitive enough for championsip challenge, atleast, within Pierce high level of play window.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
The reason the Lakers won in '10 was because Gasol outplayed Garnett. You have to give Phil Jackson credit. He had Gasol playing as the best bigman in basketball for a 2-3 year period.
The only way Garnett ever comes to SA is if his funeral is there.
automatic nba championship
Jackson, Blair, BonnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
or
Diaw, Splitter, Bonner
I believe those would really be the only combo's the spurs would conceivable use
Duncan really doesn't like him there was an article in April in SI "21 Shades of Grey" which mentions "Duncan hates Garnett, like Hanitty hates liberals"
It would be awesome to see them together though
Capable of helping Kobe win multiple championships he has been on the decline rather early these last two seasons have been rought. He also historically struggles playing Center thus the problems (Bynum then Howard) his contract is horrid and the Celtics wouldn't be better off with him over Garnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursIndonesia
Didn't we already debate this shit to death over the summer. It will NEVER happen.
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Originally Posted by Ice009
Yeah, Tim really does not like him, just look up some stuff on google about it.
And, I don't know why SA would even try to get him, he is trying to retire soon, isn't he?
It would be the NBA story of the decade...two bitter rivals putting aside their differences for one last run at championship glory.
Never gonna happen, though.
During those runs, Manu and Tim were younger, more athletic, more dominant, in their primes. And Tony Parker was basically in his early prime. And the Spurs have normally had depth and important role players. Duncan as the sole dominant big man sufficed, he was the best PF in the game, and 2 top guards in the game, for much of that time probably the best backcourt in basketball. Very different situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs1990
And I'd also say there are more legit contenders in recent years, making it more difficult.
can't believe they gave the MVP to Kobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth