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Pop is a great coach but to think he ever started Blair or Bonner, except for injuries or to give an occassional rest, over Splitter has to knock him down any list of great coaches.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Say what you like about Pop, his last two rings were without overwhelming talent, just solid basketball. Duncan is good but he's not going to win on a team with a couple of mid to upper level players and a roster filled with foreign players, D leaguers and some washed up, about to retire sub stars.

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What team are you talking about? Combine Duncan with Manu and Parker and you have a very talented team. We have also had some great role players in those championship years. You pretend like Pop worked with nothing and it is just ridiculous. Also what is wrong with having foreign players? Parker and Manu should not be able to play because they are not born in the USA? :bang

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Originally Posted by DrSteffo

What team are you talking about? Combine Duncan with Manu and Parker and you have a very talented team. We have also had some great role players in those championship years. You pretend like Pop worked with nothing and it is just ridiculous. Also what is wrong with having foreign players? Parker and Manu should not be able to play because they are not born in the USA? :bang

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I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I never said anything remotely related to ability of foreign players. There is no overwhelming talent in SA. That's why we have 6 or 7 people in double digits, why someone like Neal can look like a beast. Pop can coach the bench to almost beating Miami, Mike D and Mike Brown couldn't coach 4 All Stars into beating the 6ers. "Very talented team" is not overwhelming talent, and by "talent" I do not mean their ability to play together effectively. I mean their individual talents. It's the Spurs system that allows them to prosper, as made evident by their post season results when they meet just two or three really athletic, talented players with a half decent system.

Just watch other coaches plays out of timeouts. They almost never have anything remarkable, if anything at all. Watch when they call their timeouts, normally after a 10pt run by the opponent. They rarely call timeouts to fix something they observe, it's almost always momentum timeouts. Pop has called timeouts in the first few seconds of a game, if he sees something he doesn't like. That's coaching, not just reacting to the scoreboard. There are only a handful of real NBA coaches still coaching, and Pop is the best in the league.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

So let's get this straight.. according to you a legion of Dwight Howards roaming the Euro floors would turn everyone in Europe into cowering mice who can't shoot jumpers from the outside? Doubtful... if anything it would influence most to become more proficient at outside shooting since no one would want to try to take the ball to the basket. Your argument has no merit.... whatsoever. Rumphumper and Blake need to start sending you tools to the advanced popsucking class. This is too easy.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by DMC

It's very easy to look only at one facet of a game and say what you would do to improve it, then say the coach must be an idiot. You're not being tasked with every facet of the game, the franchise and whatever his personal life entails. You also don't know what his goals are. If you think a team is trying to win a ring every single year, you're missing something. A coach does what he can with what he has, and any other coach in the NBA wouldn't even make the playoffs with this roster. No way this bench in any other city does anything close to what they do in SA. Danny Green couldn't get playing time in Cleveland. George Hill still cannot get much in Indiana (and he sucks there as well, a testament to how they use him). Who the fuck is Gary Neal? I don't know, but other teams in the league sure as hell know who he is now, and if we dumped him they would pick him up. James Anderson even found a job.

Say what you like about Pop, his last two rings were without overwhelming talent, just solid basketball. Duncan is good but he's not going to win on a team with a couple of mid to upper level players and a roster filled with foreign players, D leaguers and some washed up, about to retire sub stars.

You really have no clue about coaching if you think Pop is overrated.

The Lakers would sacrifice Kareem mid court on Christmas day to get Pop.

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Pop is a good to great coach agreed.
Pop is responsible for the results ---good and bad.

Pop has done great things.

Pop has also favored the likes of zombie Finley over Bowen. Bonner over - everybody. Bogans as the "centerpiece." Numerous sweeps and/or backdoor sweeps by a playoff opponent, etc...

When you hear talk of the greatest coach in history, the best coach in basketball, etc...

I think it is safe to say that he is a bit overrated. Just look at his whole record and his personnel moves and his playoff failures and it doesn't take a genius to admit -that while he is still a good coach - his fuckups have knocked him down a couple of notches.


Unless you are a true Popsucker.

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Originally Posted by SA210

Truth hurts

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I think you can really wonder if he's not an underachiever tbh.

Also it pretty dumb to talk about the Miami game like it proves anything when we then almost lost to the harden less rockets... Just shows that sometimes teams play down to the competition...

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Originally Posted by Paranoid Pop

I think you can really wonder if he's not an underachiever tbh.

Also it pretty dumb to talk about the Miami game like it proves anything when we then almost lost to the harden less rockets... Just shows that sometimes teams play down to the competition...

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Only a Popsucker would use a LOSS (Miami game) as some kind of a testament to the greatness of Pop.

Maybe that is why Pop gets all this praise after being eliminated 5 years in a row with 3 HALL OF FAMERS on the team!!!!!

Greatest coach indeed!

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Pop was and is a big reason for the Spurs success. Pop is also a very big reason for the Spurs failures and playoff flameouts. Can't have it both ways.

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you are wanting it both ways and saying you can't have it both ways in a three sentence span.

Bravo. :tu

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Originally Posted by Blake

you are wanting it both ways and saying you can't have it both ways in a three sentence span.

Bravo. :tu

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Did the Spurs win a title last season?

Did Bonner prove the obvious to you again?

Was I right?

Is the Tiago/Timmy tandem working?

Just STFU because I was correct in everything I said for two years now.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Just STFU because I was correct in everything I said for two years now.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Bonner still the first "big" off the bench...

No sight of a TD/Tiago pairing....

Blair...6'7'' starting center ...

No One on the Spurs with any desire...any fire...any balls...and Coach Pop didn't change anything...just kept the same rotation...the same everything....

This is what the Playoffs have in store...and this is exactly what happened last season...

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That failure was really easy to find. if you use the search function, you'll be able to find them easy enough too. Either way let me know if you need more.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

We had title hopes IF Splitter was on the floor?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Rummpd

Pop is a great coach but to think he ever started Blair or Bonner, except for injuries or to give an occassional rest, over Splitter has to knock him down any list of great coaches.

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Definitely.

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Originally Posted by Blake

That failure was really easy to find. if you use the search function, you'll be able to find them easy enough too. Either way let me know if you need more.

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Are you that stupid?

Everything in that post was what undid the spurs hope last season and I was 100% correct in calling out Pop and Popsuckers for it.
Spurs failed in the playoffs because of Pop's stupidity and I called it and now you confirm it by posting it and you can't see it?

Wake up. Please.

Always believed in Tiago.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Pop is a good to great coach agreed.
Pop is responsible for the results ---good and bad.

Pop has done great things.

Pop has also favored the likes of zombie Finley over Bowen. Bonner over - everybody. Bogans as the "centerpiece." Numerous sweeps and/or backdoor sweeps by a playoff opponent, etc...

When you hear talk of the greatest coach in history, the best coach in basketball, etc...

I think it is safe to say that he is a bit overrated. Just look at his whole record and his personnel moves and his playoff failures and it doesn't take a genius to admit -that while he is still a good coach - his fuckups have knocked him down a couple of notches.


Unless you are a true Popsucker.

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Funny what happens if people used their common sense :lol

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Are you that stupid?

Everything in that post was what undid the spurs hope last season and I was 100% correct in calling out Pop and Popsuckers for it.
Spurs failed in the playoffs because of Pop's stupidity and I called it and now you confirm it by posting it and you can't see it?

Wake up. Please.

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lol at you trying to spin your obvious failure into a success.

I predict more spinning as well as a meltdown storm coming this way later on in this thread.

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Originally Posted by SA210

Funny what happens if people used their common sense :lol

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Funnier still that you think you have common sense.

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Originally Posted by SA210

Funny what happens if people used their common sense :lol

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I don't think anyone can explain it to Blake in a way that he could understand though. Special people are "special" I guess.

:lol

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Originally Posted by Blake

lol at you trying to spin your obvious failure into a success.

I predict more spinning as well as a meltdown storm coming this way later on in this thread.

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Anytime you want to show where I was wrong - go right ahead.

Spurs didn't win title - CHECK

Pop favored Bonner over Tiago - CHECK

Pop got out-coached again - CHECK

Spurs eliminated 5 years in a row - CHECK

Popsuckers still unconvinced - BIG CHECK


Too easy - CHECK

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Anytime you want to show where I was wrong - go right ahead.

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Originally Posted by you

Coach Pop didn't change anything...just kept the same rotation...the same everything....

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Wrong - CHECK

Yet people don't realize that the decision to not start Splitter was also linked to Duncan and the fact we have no back up at center. Why is is different this year ? Probably because Tim is playin' an amazing level of basketball, rejuvenated he is running the floor like he is 30 y/o again and hitting long 2s at a high rate. With this kind of Duncan, spacing is less of an issue for the Spurs. Also Tiago seems to have get rid of all his small injuries that bothered him during a long time so he can play more and split his time between the first and second unit. Finally we have added Jax who can play some pf.

Now am I saying that Pop was not wrong with Tiago, Ian or the centerpiece or RJ or Bonner... ? no. I'm just saying stuff is not black or white. I do believe Pop could have been more active, patient trying to develop young bigs (Tiago, Ian) but also circumstances have dictated his line ups and he is always trying to find a good balance between his first and second unit.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Wrong - CHECK

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That's just it though. Splitter's a player who needs extended minutes in order to learn from his mistakes and build up his confidence. He needs confidence in order to play. This is why people like me were saying that Pop needed to play him more in the regular season. That didn't happen so it was inevitable that Tiago would choke at some point. By April it was too late to integrate him and it was just a matter of time before something- free throws, bad match-ups, poor shooting- affected his confidence and brought down his overall play.

Outside of the last 4 games of the WCF, he played well last year. I was actually surprised that he made it that far without breaking down and I thought that Pop did the right thing by pulling him when he did. What else was there to do at that point?

This year Pop has given him minutes and allowed him to play more with Duncan. This year Pop has come back to Spurs basketball and is letting his best players (ie. Not Bonner and Blair) play while still holding his team accountable. In other words, the Pop we all wanted is back.

If Splitter gets enough reps in I really think that he can provide TD with help upfront when it matters. Diaw will show up and with Jax playing some back-up 4, the Spurs' big rotation shouldn't be a liability in the playoffs this season. I'm not really a "nothing less than a championship" kinda gal. All I want to see is that the Spurs are maximizing their chances with the players they've got. Unlike last year, I think that the team is doing that. So although I might still want to see Gortat in the silver and black or a decent back-up pg, I have been a pretty happy fan this year.

people should stop talking about spacing issues when he played dewhataburger next to duncan this whole time

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Originally Posted by TheSkeptic

By April it was too late to integrate him and it was just a matter of time before something- free throws, bad match-ups, poor shooting- affected his confidence and brought down his overall play.

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I think this is the first time I've seen someone make the case for starting Tiago by implying he is mentally weak.