Quick Grades: Spurs vs. Bobcats - Jan. 30

The Spurs keep on rolling, they had what 20+ turnovers and still managed to blow them out, the Bobcats are awful. Tiago is playing so damn well this season and his confidence is sky high, I think the Olympics helped him out a bit. that's 11 straight games in double figures. I always keeping thinking to myself what if Manu could play heavy minutes and not get injured or gassed he could put up some pretty damn good numbers. Tony Parker is at the point where he can just score at will if he wants to it seems. I still think we need one more guy to win it all, because Green just cant do it when it matters or against good defensive teams. He is honestly not that good besides sitting there catching it and shooting it.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

You Hayters need to stop.
Gregor Pop just coached yet another regular season win without cornerstone Matt Bonner. Over the Bobcats.
Pop is great! Recognize!

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I wonder if Pop was fretting watching Budenholzer effortlessly lead the spurs to win after win. All of course from his flu-ridden-all-tucked-into-bed-with-thermometer-hanging-out-of-his-mouth-"perspective".

lol effortlessly

TP's eye from last night:

http://media.kens5.com/images/2013-0...bcats+(10).JPG

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Originally Posted by jestersmash

Surprisingly one of his glaring mistakes in the game came when he gave up a wide open 3 point attempt. I was kind of surprised. Hope he's not in a mental slump of sort.

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I wonder if maybe Pop's told him to tone it down or if maybe the misses are causing him to second guess himself?

I'm hoping it's not a mental slump but I love how the coaches have started using him. In a perfect world Green and Neal should be able to cover for each other whenever one hits a dry spell.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Throw David Lee into that mix as well...

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Spurs stars are highly efficient players.... it's rather neat to have 4 Spurs in the top 28 in league PER.

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I think Splitter bumps his PER up a little higher if he rebounds better. I wasn't thrilled with how he played in this game, but I do like how aggressive he was on offense. Asking for the ball, being more assertive, etc. He just missed a lot of easy ones in the 1st quarter and also didn't rebound. All in all, I think Timvp will be judging him more harshly from here on out.

It's a shame that Manu keeps running into setbacks though. I'm almost completely in favour of Manu being the first to sit out when Pop starts shutting people down ahead of the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

I think i blinked and missed Jack's "up" during the game tbh

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That bad huh?

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

I have to laugh at all the "Nando is terrible, where's Patty?" comments, because Patty was getting all the burn less than a month ago and also wetting the bed.

Both players have been given consistent opportunities to take the backup PG spot and neither has succeeded. I seriously think it's time for CoJo to get 5-10 games of good burn to see what he can do.

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Patty has a higher PER, averages more steals and turns the ball over half as much as De Colo. Mills is by no means a shiny penny, but he handles the pg position better than Nando and he takes care of the basketball. In the month of December, during the time he supposedely 'wet the bed', Mills had four turnovers. De Colo had three in last nights game alone.

In regards to CoJo, he's what you call a tweener..... too good for the D-league, not quite good enough to make it at the pro level. IMO, he could have benefited from another year or two in college before making the jump to the NBA. And now he's paying the price. He's way too green at this point to hand him solid rotational minutes and I suspect the coaching staff knows this. He's an insurance policy in case an injury occurs to a guard and Spurs need a filler for the short term. I don't think the Spurs see him as anything more.

baynes! he did everything you could realistically ask for. fight hard for rebounds, run the floor, try on defense, and play with energy.

Physically, Baynes looked like a legit NBA big in this game, which is good news. Also, Parker has been pretty impressive carrying this team with Duncan not available and Manu in and out of the lineup.

For the second game in a row, Neal was the backup PG to start the game and not at the end of the game. Against Phoenix, Bud went with Mills and against Charlotte, Pop went with De Colo.

It could be a sign that Spurs are going away of Neal as backup PG. While Mills and De Colo haven't been really good this season, they are still better options to be the backup PG than Neal. I like this move.

I think we are all (almost) on the same page.
We like the team, they are winning...but we are concern that this team doenst have what it takes to win it all. I dont think anybody actually believes that the Spurs team is crap, at least not seriously.

Now, IMO, I fell that the Spurs should take advantage of that depth and try to get another player, a good player, a real backup.
Thats the only way I would trade, we dont need more 10-20 minutes players, we have those, and role players are not enough, especially considering the have to know the system before they can get more minutes.

I hope the Spurs can get a good player, I mean, the teams has many players that could be useful for other teams that dont play many minutes with the Spurs, and when the PO arrive, they are gonna play even less.

So..I would trade only for a good player...and for that the Spurs have to loose 2-3 players (those that will play 5-10 minutes in the PO)

Bonner/Neal for Barea :elephant:

That said it's a bit funny to see a one-eyed Frenchman as the league's second best PG.

Technically, Baynes already debuted

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Originally Posted by ace3g

TP's eye from last night:

http://media.kens5.com/images/2013-0...bcats+(10).JPG

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Shit, that can't be good.

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Originally Posted by Hoops Czar

Patty has a higher PER, averages more steals and turns the ball over half as much as De Colo. Mills is by no means a shiny penny, but he handles the pg position better than Nando and he takes care of the basketball. In the month of December, during the time he supposedely 'wet the bed', Mills had four turnovers. De Colo had three in last nights game alone.

In regards to CoJo, he's what you call a tweener..... too good for the D-league, not quite good enough to make it at the pro level. IMO, he could have benefited from another year or two in college before making the jump to the NBA. And now he's paying the price. He's way too green at this point to hand him solid rotational minutes and I suspect the coaching staff knows this. He's an insurance policy in case an injury occurs to a guard and Spurs need a filler for the short term. I don't think the Spurs see him as anything more.

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Nando actually has a superior assist-to-turnover ratio because he does the thing that PGs are supposed to do...facilitate the offense and find the open player. Mills isn't a score-first PG, he's an undersized SG.

As for your assessment of Joseph, you're basing it off what? He's been given no consistent opportunity to prove whether he belongs.

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Originally Posted by freetiago

Jackson having by far the worst stats on the team
cant hit a shot and cant guard perimeter players
having his worst percentages in pretty much every category in his entire career
with the addition of baynes we dont need a smallball 4 when Kawhi is a far superior option who Jack also takes minutes away from Leonard
has the lowest last 10 averages in timvps player grades

but but but hell hit some shots in the playoffs maybe

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Who gets his minutes then, who do you replace him with?

Damn graynames....

Jackson gets pushed to the 10-15 minutes at most and the young workhouse named Kawhi Leonard gets his minutes
like popovich said in the wcf you have to play your best players tbh
and Jackson is a TOSB

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Originally Posted by freetiago

Jackson gets pushed to the 10-15 minutes at most and the young workhouse named Kawhi Leonard gets his minutes
like popovich said in the wcf you have to play your best players tbh
and Jackson is a TOSB

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Kawhi should get some minutes at SG too tbh... He is young, should be playing 35 minutes/game.

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Originally Posted by freetiago

never seen a player get more excuses then the TOSB Jackson

Baynes was pretty much what was advertised
he looked like he had a good motor on the boards
but his D wasnt too good, he looked lost and was a bit slow on rotations but it was his first nba game so hell obviously get better
offensively he didnt do much of anything but get garbage putbacks and dunks
had a few bad plays that should also be corrected once he gets more playing time if he does
he should be able to contribute 5-10 mins at the least for the team as the backup C

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I guess you haven't heard about Bonner then?

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Originally Posted by Brunodf

Kawhi should get some minutes at SG too tbh... He is young, should be playing 35 minutes/game.

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I agree our best players need to be able to handle 30+ minutes in the playoffs if necessary.

Does anyone else think that Splitter only played C/C- ball this game? 4 boards over half an hour is pretty fucking horrendous, and 50% FG is bad by Splitter's standards.

Also, I went to the game and was probably even more pumped up by those watching at home by Baynes' physicality. To paraphrase a post from the game thread, Baynes is like Splitter, minus the softness around the paint. He was grabbing some man rebounds out there, it was great to see. I need to watch the Toros game asap, since apparently those are online, and Baynes just went 30/10/2.