Its a tough choice...whats your call?....
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Its a tough choice...whats your call?....
Um..it's not a tough choice and it's a very easy call.
Wake me up when Duncan guards Shaq...
If anyone was a Spurs fan during the early '90s, the answer is all too prevalent.
'nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by whottt
^^^yup. plus drob is so much more athletic than td. amare would never have ave 30 pts against drob.
I don't know that it's all about guarding or not guarding Shaq, but I think the answer is pretty clear. Robinson recovered and rotated as quickly as any big man ever has. He was a machine.
Robinson is Top 5 defensive bigman ever, Tim is not.
Tim has yet to win a DPOY and at least a blocks title before any comparisons can be made with DRob
Tim is realy very very good defender but Dave is one of the greatest.
Most people saying that Hakeem was better I'm not so sure.
ps. dave defended Shaq?
no one could (maybe some discussion?)
David relied more on defense than Tim..... and he was better at it.
Robinson of '99 was better than most ctrs will ever be defensively.
Out of the 48 times in their careers that Dave and Hakeem went head-to-head, Dave won his matchup 36 times for a ratio of 3:1 (36-12) all time. To me, that is far more statistically significant than claiming Hakeem owned David because he got the better of him during a 6 game playoff series where Hakeem didn't even guard Dave one-on-one.Quote:
Originally Posted by foofida
If anything, Dave outplayed Hakeem on a far more consistent basis than people remember. And yes, Dave was a significantly better defensive player than Tim is.
I bolded the important part again in case you missed it. How can you own someone if you don't even guard them? If you want to focus on that one series as defining an entire player's career, you should at least consider the fact that Dave drew double and even triple teams on offense yet Dave guarded Hakeem one-on-one because the Rockets had too many weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoHandJam
Think about it.
So in peoples opinion, Drob was and always will be a better defender then Tim
When it comes to offense, Drob is also clearly ahead (even if tim was needed to be an offensive powerhouse, drob would still be ahead)
So when u take these two factors and combine, then it seems to indicate Drob was a better player then Duncan. That drob is the best player the spurs have had.
Is that wat yall think, cuz i dont
Don't sell Duncan short, because he is one of the League's best defenders at any position.
But Robinson was better overall, no question.
DRob better defensive player. Duncan better overall player. That's how it goes down.
Is this thread intended to be funny?
Duncan couldn't hold the Big Man's jock defensively.
This is like arguing who's more clutch; Parker or Ginobili.
DROB to me in my Generation of watching BBall which was roughly from 1984 -present, was the best Center I ever seen.
Talk about a complete player, this guy did it all. Best athletic BIG man I've seen, he ran like a guard, hops like a kangaroo.
My only knock on DROB was he never had a sweet consistent jumpshot like say a Patrick Ewing did. If DROB had that, he would have been even more unstoppable b/c of his athletic ability he easily blew by people.
As someone stated before, if DROB didn't have those chronic nerve/back injuries he'd still be playing & we'd would have won another title between the Fakerz 3-peat. The Suns Amare would not be going off for the amount of pts he avg against us & the Pistons series would have gone 4-1, maybe 4-2 & the Wallaces would not have been as effective as they were & DET would not have been getting the layups they did against us with DROB there.
TMSKILZ -true
Banks it is not that simple Tim's play is different than Drob's.
In game it is not just indyvidualy comparison. It is a team sport.
Yes, DRob was the better defensive player, and he will be remembered as one of the greatest centers this league has ever seen. Duncan, on the other hand, will be remembered as one of the greatest players this league has ever seen at any position.
Actually, it's Russell, Big Dave, then everyone else. Dave did it all, from being a premier shotblocker, to steals, to bodying up monsters like Shaq.Quote:
Originally Posted by MI21
drob
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Originally Posted by TwoHandJam
This is so true, but sadly nobody will remember or bring it up. Everybody will just say Hakeem owned Drob, but if Hill would've doubled like they were doubling Dave it would've been a different story and of course if Rodman would of gone out and guarded Horry, or if Elliot would've hit his freethrows...all of this doesn't matter, because the Spurs would've won the series.
Not a tough call at all, DROB hands down. I've mentioned it a couple of times, you put a prime Drob on this team and nobody scores on them.
offensively n defensively drob IMO
clutch play duncan
but drob didnt had a team of good cast like duncans :( its ashamed though imagine the rings drob wouldve won.
yes
In the 90s DRob won more battles than he lost vrs Shaq.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
David is for sure the better defensive player than Tim.
Robinson was the better defender and the better scorer, but Duncan will go down as the better player.
David was obviously a superior defender... no question.
I wonder though, if when TD came into the league, and he had deferred to Robinson instead of the other way around, would we be having this argument of who was better still?
(I know that it was better for the team, but what if Robinson wasnt who he was, was stubborn and hadnt deferred?)
DROB was by far the better defender.
Tim is better offensively than DROB was though and is the better player overall.
Hakeem Olajuwon was basically the only player in recent NBA history who could do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash gordon
I dunno about better offensively... he has more moves thats for sure... but you cant discount the scoring prowess of one Mr Robinson - who just happened to score a career high 71 points, remember? Tims is 'only' 53...Quote:
Originally Posted by TDfan2007
I wasnt saying that Robinson was better than Tim offensively, i was just saying he wasnt a slouch himself! I (for the record) think DRob did the right think in letting Tim 'be the man' - he is the better player.
Also, David had to defend players such as Shaq, Olajuwon, Ewing, Mourning etc. The 2nd/3rd tier Centers back when Dave was playing, would be 1st tier bigmen now.
Drob was the superior defensive player. His athleticism and shot blocking skills were unmatched at the position since the days of Bill Russell. Of course, he could beat any player up and down the court. While his offensive game and was not as fundamental as Duncan nor could he dictate the flow of a game as well as TD, however he made up for it with sheer athletic brillance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcrod
Remember DRob's resume includes:
- Defensive Player of the Year
- League MVP
- NBA Scoring Champion
- One of only two players in league history to ever record a quadruple-double (Alvin Robertson being the other)
- 2-time NBA champion
Having said that, Tim will go down in history as the better overall player.
I also believe the Spurs waisted much of DRob's early days, by not surrounding him and Sean with comparable talent and role players - specifically a talented power forward. Both Terry Cummings and Rodman were a nice fit, but bad from a chemistry standpoint.
One particular move that comes to mind is how how they traded away Rod Strickland for Vinny Del Negro - thinking he would be a comparable PG.
Actually, its 4 quadruple doubles... not 2.
In NBA history, there have been only four recorded quadruple-double performances. (There have been no quintuple-double performances.) They are:
* Nate Thurmond, October 18, 1974, Chicago vs. Atlanta; 22 points, 14 rebounds, 13 assists, 12 blocks
* Alvin Robertson, February 18, 1986, San Antonio vs. Phoenix; 20 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals
* Hakeem Olajuwon, March 29, 1990, Houston vs. Milwaukee; 18 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists, 11 blocks
* David Robinson, February 17, 1994, San Antonio vs. Detroit; 35 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 blocks