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No, this isn't knee jerk after what he did to OKC last night, I've been wondering about this for a while.
Is he a top 10 player in the league right now? Top 5 even?
Is he the best SG in the league right now?
When I see him, I think of a young D-Wade. They both have similar styles, as they are attack heavy, use their body well to finish or draw contact and get to the line. Wade is more athletic, while Harden is a better shooter, higher IQ, and better at running an offense.
Thoughts?
How can anyone see this guy and see anyone other than Manu? I don't know if I have ever seen two other players so alike.
Hes like manu, but actually capable of leading a team.
damn, seconds late
truth bombs, too bad the CoM are in denialQuote:
Originally Posted by Samuel Eto'o
but seriously this guy has Iversons handles, Ray Allens jumper, Jordans athleticism, and Ron Jeremys dick size. future goat tbh
MK reject's BB take, even worse than MK's BB takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel Eto'o
Damn good player, but top 5? Knee-jerk reaction tbh.
Lol bitter Mavs fans gonna hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel Eto'o
Their games are completely identical tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I think Harden as top 5 can be argueable, but it's hard to say w/ players like Rose and Love injuried.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
Cementing his status as an elite player will require him making his mark as the leader of a successful playoff team. At the very least, he'll need to get Houston out of the first round of the playoffs for people (well at least me) to believe he's a legit franchise player. Right now, as far as the regular season goes, there's an argument for him to be a top 10 player in the league. But also realize even though Houston is a better team because of him, they are still sitting in the middle of the pack of the league as far as record goes. I think they're 13th or 14th in the league record wise. If he can translate his play in the playoffs as the undisputed leader of his own team, I think we can start talking about him as an elite player. Without that, even if he puts up great individual numbers, he'll be on course for a Tracy McGrady type of perception.
1-Lebron
2-Durant
3-CP3
Are the top three, from that point forward is anyone's place. I think I would still place Howard (yes, the guy Kobe is making look like a scrub) and Wade over him but it's close.
Dwight makes himself look like a scrub. He's still putting up pretty solid, if not good numbers. 16/12/2 on 58% shooting. It's because he's whining about touches and can't make free throws that he seemingly isn't playing well. He's only getting 3 fewer shot attempts a game than he's used to over the last couple seasons. And what did he expect joining a team with a volume scorer like Kobe? Heck, he's getting the same amount of shot attempts as 2009-10 when the Magic went to the ECF and Dwight finished 4th in MVP voting. He whined in Orlando too. The struggles Dwight has had this season are mostly on him and his attitude, not Kobe, not D'Antoni. If he would just shut up and play, work hard in practice, take his profession more seriously, and actually made his free throws, even if his scoring numbers still dipped, he wouldn't be such a "scrub" this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I think this is about as well put as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamStone
He has incredible potential, but needs to prove his ability to lead a team.
I think he is probably a top 10 player right now. But time will tell.
16/12/2 is still shit compared to what drob was posting the year he return 98/97 98/99 2 seasons
No one said he is top 5. Knee-jerk reaction tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
lol manu > dirkQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Don't you have some posts to delete?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
lol post deleter
Yes, Dwight is a bitch, I think that's already established but what is also true is that Kobe is making him a worse player.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamStone
Best SG. Top 10 player.
But how? I mean tangibly what is it that Kobe does to make Dwight a worse player? His scoring is down, but his FG% is where you'd expect. His rebounding slightly down, but does Kobe affect him rebounding the ball? Still blocking shots at the rate he's always blocked shots. Is Kobe to blame for Dwight not being able to hit even 50% of his free throws? Is it Kobe's fault Dwight doesn't like D'Antoni's system? Dwight maneuvered his way out of Orlando and when he got traded to the Lakers, he knew what he was getting when playing with Kobe. Is it Kobe's fault that Dwight is an emotional midget and can't take being challenged by a teammate? Was Kobe supposed to cower to and worship Dwight? Dwight came to Kobe's team, not vice versa. It'd be one thing if Kobe was completely finished and couldn't hold his own. But we've seen this season that Kobe's still capable of carrying the offensive load. Dwight has never been a great go-to guy offensively. Should Kobe hand over the offense to Dwight? Putting most of the blame on Kobe or even D'Antoni absolves the blame Dwight himself should take on for the trainwreck the Lakers have been. Dwight's not just a bitch. He's way more at fault than Kobe or D'Antoni in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
The talent from #4-10 is weaker than it has been in a long time, tbh..
Kobe, Wade, Garnett, Duncan and Dirk are old..Rose is hurt, Howard hasn't looked like the same guy this year(many possible reasons)..guys like Westbrook and Parker are great, but I'm hesitant to put them on the highest level..the secondary talent is pretty weak at the moment IMO..
You could make the argument that Harden is as high as #4..however, as Jamstone said, he still needs to prove that he's a legit #1 guy in the playoffs..also, his +/- numbers are pretty weak for a superstar player, I'm interested in seeing if that changes by the end of the year..
He's unquestionably a top 10 player, though..Lebron, Durant and Paul are better..Rose is around the same..Howard is better when healthy..you can make the argument for Anthony, Kobe and Wade..arguments for Parker and Westbrook could be made, but the arguments would be weak, especially for the latter..
If his scoring is down but his FG% is where you'd expect what does that tell you? I'm not saying Dwight should be the number one option but I think him and Kobe should be more of a 1a, 1b type options, not Kobe having 10 full more pts of usage rate than Howard.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamStone
Howard being a bitch plays a role, his injuries too but Kobe being a chucker also plays a role, that's all I'm saying.
imo he is the best SG in the NBA in terms of overall efficiency...Kobe may (arguably) be a better offensive player at 100% and Wade is definitely one of the better perimeter defenders at 100% but I see Harden has a having a more overall consistent impact on both sides of the court (not saying his impact on either side is necessarily better than the impact of Kobe/Wade on offense/defense, just that he is more in the middle of both) than either of them...that being said, when Kobe is on, he is the best offensive player in the NBA, and Wade is no slouch either, so when they're going all out, they're easily better (Wade especially on the defensive end). Problem is, we don't see sustained greatness from Kobe or Wade as much these days. That will probably change in the playoffs though.
As far as the 2013 regular season goes, he has been the best SG in the league. But I'd rather have Wade if I'm making a playoff run
It tells me Dwight should stop being a bitch about touches. Again, 2009-2010, he averaged the same exact amount of field goal attempts. Orlando made it to the ECF, Dwight finisheded 4th in MVP voting. But he didn't have a Kobe on his team to blame for his lack of touches. He's only down 3 shot attempts from the past two seasons. Joining a team like the Lakers with a player like Kobe, should he have expected his shot attempts to go up? He bitched in Orlando and with Van Gundy. Now, he's doing it again with Kobe and D'Antoni. It's more of an M.O. than a legitimate basketball strategic complaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
And look what Kobe has done in recent weeks, not shooting as much, passing the ball more. Kobe actually has given in, even though based on how he started the season, he had every right to continue taking as many shots as he was. My guess is Dwight will still complain about something.
Dwight still misses free throws. He still lacks work ethic and professionalism. He still whines to the media. It's time for him to just shut up, work hard, and play. Kobe for all his faults--and he has many--is not to be blamed for whatever struggles Dwight has had this season. That's as much of a cop out as people have criticized Kobe for any number of things, probably more of a cop out.