The Curious Brainwashing Case of ...

I read the op and I have to say, I'm astonished that this thread has gone this far in this forum. How you guys have given any attention to this fucking idiot, this awful poster, is totally beyond me. His arguments are fucking retarded and he won't acknowledge any opinion other than his own, which is really fucking stupid.

He's essentially said that anyone who has been educated doesn't understand him....which is sort of true because no one around here seems to speak retarded quite the way this douche does.

I leave you with this, SBM, the label I'm giving you is dumb fuck....I hope your wife gets hit by a bus and you go into a grieving process and stop posting on this site you fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by johnsmith

I read the op and I have to say, I'm astonished that this thread has gone this far in this forum. How you guys have given any attention to this fucking idiot, this awful poster, is totally beyond me. His arguments are fucking retarded and he won't acknowledge any opinion other than his own, which is really fucking stupid.

He's essentially said that anyone who has been educated doesn't understand him....which is sort of true because no one around here seems to speak retarded quite the way this douche does.

I leave you with this, SBM, the label I'm giving you is dumb fuck....I hope your wife gets hit by a bus and you go into a grieving process and stop posting on this site you fucking idiot.

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Right on cue....

Like I just said two minutes ago;



People don't want to hear truth...I am reminded of a guy named Jesus who was crucified for "spouting" truth. When people hear truth it affects them in a big way - some react violently...




:lmao

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

People don't want to hear truth...I am reminded of a guy named Jesus who was crucified for "spouting" truth. When people hear truth it affects them in a big way - some react violently...

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:lol Comparing yourself to Jesus
:lol Comparing your butthurt rants to the Bible

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Right on cue....

Like I just said two minutes ago;



People don't want to hear truth...I am reminded of a guy named Jesus who was crucified for "spouting" truth. When people hear truth it affects them in a big way - some react violently...




:lmao

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Part of the reason jesus got crucified was that he claimed to be the son of god.

obviously he was lying. So are you.

That's why you are getting crucified.

Misinterpreting again...never compared myself to anyone...except to the brainwashed..yes I compare to all the brainwashed.

Never compared myself to Jesus but whateva......

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Originally Posted by Blake

Part of the reason jesus got crucified was that he claimed to be the son of god.

obviously he was lying. So are you.

That's why you are getting crucified.

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Just another observation;

Blake - you almost conversed normally...then a couple of ass-clowns run in here spouting non-sense and you revert right back to ignorance.

Interesting.

Freddie Fuckleroy's story is poorly told, dumbed down I suppose to be understandable to the stupid and ignorant, like ST right-wing forum readers.

Remove all the childish crap of the story and see the core concept:

The "reality" we inherit from is created by parents, friends, society is a fake reality, totally detached from Reality.

(brainwashing is too pejorative, inflammatory, superficial a term. Reality exists underneath, behind the superficial bullshit reality we live).

Jesus, a true mystic, was in on The Game.

He used his crucifixion, the ultimate, supreme lesson of his existence, as a parable to the show the little "you" must die, be released from little "reality" so the the big You can be Realized and enter into the Big Reality of heaven, nirvana, samadhi, etc, which is a common concept to the mystics of all great religions.

I've yet to meet a single Christian who could answer a simple question: Of all of Jesus lessons, teachings, miracles, parables, actions, what was His Most Important Lesson?

The love to babble the senseless, useless, WRONG "He Died For Our Sins", which just shows they have no fucking idea about Jesus.

This of course takes True Faith and Courage to let the little you die so the True You can be Realized (aka, Self-Realization), not the lip service, TV, feel-good, bullshit "faith" Christians congratulate themselves with. They really are sheeple being totally "brainwashed" by self-proclaimed, but false, sheep herders (who always need more money, tithing being of the biggest scams the (poor) Bible writers added).

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Just another observation;

Blake - you almost conversed normally...then a couple of ass-clowns run in here spouting non-sense and you revert right back to ignorance.

Interesting.

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If we were the only two having this discussion, my posts would be exactly the same.

in fact, I would call bull shit to your face.

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

Freddie Fuckleroy's story is poorly told, dumbed down I suppose to be understandable to the stupid and ignorant, like ST right-wing forum readers.

Can't really disagree here...I got my coffee and went off the top of my head and tried to include "practical" applications so the message might be understood -(or not).

Remove all the childish crap of the story and see the core concept:

The "reality" we inherit from is created by parents, friends, society is a fake reality, totally detached from Reality.

(brainwashing is too pejorative, inflammatory, superficial a term. Reality exists underneath, behind the superficial bullshit reality we live).

Maybe a little part of this is true - but I have to disagree wholeheartedly that Brainwashing is too strong a word. Brainwashing is a serious cancer that disables humans into sleepwalking through life and never really waking -then comes death. The tragedy is never someone dying - the tragedy (usually) is someone dying - who never really lived! (or never woke up).

Jesus, a true mystic, was in on The Game.

I wouldn't go that far - Jesus was probably a way to teach a lesson - and this lesson - became one of the most misunderstood lessons of all time and sadly, probably resulted in more death, misery, wars, blindness, evil - than all the good that came out of it. But who was teaching this lesson - and who was Jesus and who was/is god, etc...and was god/jesus the teacher or did humans invent god/jesus?

He used his crucifixion, the ultimate, supreme lesson of his existence, as a parable to the show the little "you" must die, be released from little "reality" so the the big You can be Realized and enter into the Big Reality of heaven, nirvana, samadhi, etc, which is a common concept to the mystics of all great religions.


Interesting. This might have been another severely misunderstood lesson. Most people concluded wrongly that to "die" to the self meant some kind of harm to yourself - when I think it meant something completely different.


I've yet to meet a single Christian who could answer a simple question: Of all of Jesus lessons, teachings, miracles, parables, actions, what was His Most Important Lesson?

Agreed.

The love to babble the senseless, useless, WRONG "He Died For Our Sins", which just shows they have no fucking idea about Jesus.

Don't know - can't speak for others.

This of course takes True Faith and Courage to let the little you die so the True You can be Realized (aka, Self-Realization), not the lip service, TV, feel-good, bullshit "faith" Christians congratulate themselves with. They really are sheeple being totally "brainwashed" by self-proclaimed, but false, sheep herders (who always need more money, tithing being of the biggest scams the (poor) Bible writers added).

Can't disagree here either - except that it is does not actually take courage and faith to die to the self as it does -"sight"
If you don't even know what it means to die to the self then it is not gonna happen. If you discover what it means - then use sight to understand what is preventing you from seeing - it will end up being the most wonderful experience of all.



Thanks for being the first person to even take a look at the message in the story of Freddie instead of the messenger and using ignorance to attack what you don't understand. If any of us are honest we might see a lot of Freddie's story relevant in some ways to our own upbringing. Except here on Spurstalk of course - no one here has ever been wrong, been less than perfect and of course no one here needs to ever, ever learn anything in the future because it is known by a few Spurstalk members only.

:lol

Oh, by the way - I sipped my coffee - wrote off the top of my head - didn't edit, didn't re-write - didn't re-write the re-writes -and posted it. I know it is more than rough. It never mattered - the story - the msg - does!


Thanks for the input.

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...oh yeah almost forgot....to BOUTONS;

Had I judged you by all the vitriol, hatred, attacks, insults and labels directed at you and attributed to you here on Spurstalk - I would have completely missed your very informed post....I would have been blind to anything you had to say - ever!

:lmao


Gotta love this place!

How am I convinced of my rightness Silverblk? I don't think I've made any declarative statements. I've merely been askin you questions, which is what you say a person should be doing. Should I hold all my questions until the story is done? That seems silly.

Speaking of interpretation, how do you know there arent others on this board that have experienced enlightenment? Is it possible that maybe others have learned to use labels and remain enlightened? Also, it would seem that not using labels would mean not engaging in meaningful conversation (or at the least doing so very slowly).

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Can't disagree here either - except that it is does not actually take courage and faith to die to the self as it does -"sight" If you don't even know what it means to die to the self then it is not gonna happen. If you discover what it means - then use sight to understand what is preventing you from seeing - it will end up being the most wonderful experience of all.

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give your definition of dying to the self.

I'd like to see it fit both to Jesus and the ”Mystics”.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

...oh yeah almost forgot....to BOUTONS;

Had I judged you by all the vitriol, hatred, attacks, insults and labels directed at you and attributed to you here on Spurstalk - I would have completely missed your very informed post....I would have been blind to anything you had to say - ever!

:lmao


Gotta love this place!

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If you miss out because you're so thin skinned and insecure, that's on you, pussy.

Now what you will do here is ignore my questions and logic because I called you a pussy.

If you need help, I will lay it out for you how to die to self and not be an insecure pussy.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

How am I convinced of my rightness Silverblk?
Maybe I mistook it for some of your earlier comments when you seemed to be in attack mode...or it could have been from the "christian" thread that morphed into this one. My bad - if you weren't.


I don't think I've made any declarative statements. I've merely been askin you questions, which is what you say a person should be doing. Should I hold all my questions until the story is done? That seems silly.

Well it would probably be more productive to the both of us if we discussed -Freddie's early story so far---I think it might mirror SOME people's upbringing or at least we might KNOW of some people that are similar to Freddie. I thnik there might be a lot of truth to what happened to him....which I believe happened to most of us.

Speaking of interpretation, how do you know there arent others on this board that have experienced enlightenment?
I am pretty sure most people have touched it, felt it or experienced it a few times in their lives. Some may be much, much further along than most of us...some a little behind...some called it a different thing...some called it god and became religious...I think most of us have had a thing that happened to us that was beautiful and weren't even aware it was a ...moment of...?


Is it possible that maybe others have learned to use labels and remain enlightened? Also, it would seem that not using labels would mean not engaging in meaningful conversation (or at the least doing so very slowly).

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I think you may be 100% correct. It is very possible - I don't think I ever said that others were any less than you or I. I thought I was clear when I said this is my story, your story - everyone's story.
I also said that I might have seen some truths and for a moment felt free...but then I fell right back to my programming/brainwashing...

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Originally Posted by Blake

If you miss out because you're so thin skinned and insecure, that's on you, pussy.


This is pretty ignorant. If you think that trying to remain respectful - until someone insults and attacks you - is thin-skinned or pussy-like I don't know what to tell you here on a msg board. If we were face-to-face I think you would be less apt to say the same things so it really is irrelevant. We aren't face-to-face and you can say anything you want. If it makes you feel manly to be tough here...suit yourself. It affects me the same way.
Now what you will do here is ignore my questions and logic because I called you a pussy.

If you need help, I will lay it out for you how to die to self and not be an insecure pussy.

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Yes, please lay it out for me.

Silverblk, I think the big problem you're having with others is that you're using the term "brainwashed", which usually implies someone trying to actively influence a person's thought processes for a specific end. We aren't told labels to influence a specific end, we are taught them (imho) in order to shortcut that process to learn higher levels. Once we know what a "squirrel" is, we don't necessarily have to discard it. We can still look at a squirrel, appeciate it, discuss it, etc etc.

How would one even discuss anything without labels? If you try to describe, you will eventually use labels, descriptors, etc etc in your description. This is why trying to equate "brainwashing" with "labels" is such a hard sell, because labels are not only essential, but aid us greatly in explaining higher levels of order.

Additionally, you claim that you are brainwashed like all of us, but you often in your posts make it sound as if you have experienced enlightenment far more than the majority of humans out there. (If you don't think you sound this way, perhaps try re-reading your posts with a more open frame of mind.) Saying things like "People don't want to hear the truth" implies that YOU know "the truth", and that we do not. Obviously, that will lead to defensiveness.

There's a fine line between acknowledging the unknowability (I think I made that word up) of things, and acknowledging that everything is inherently unknowable. The two are not the same.

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Originally Posted by Blake

give your definition of dying to the self.

I'd like to see it fit both to Jesus and the ”Mystics”.

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I guess I can give you my "interpretation" or my "knowledge -"so far" of this topic;


Dying to the self is simply dying to the "need" for everything...

Example -remember that line in the bible about "you must hate father, mother, brothers,sisters....blah-blah?

(don't think it said blah-blah- but....)

Well...dying to the self means that you died to needing anything or anyone to be happy. You emptied yourself of needing anything or anyone and you loved all things equally. By seeing them for what they were and for what they prevented you from -which was from seeing clearly and accurately. They were a nightmare...all of them because they prevented you from seeing and you remained an addict.
This is why you are instructed to hate mother, hate father, etc...because if you see how "needing" them blinds you---you will grow to hate them----but not actually hate your family---what you really hate is the "NEEDING"

Once you die to this need or "die to the self" ...


Then you can accurately "see" your family and that is the only way you can "love" someone---by seeing them accurately as they are in that particular moment - not as they are in your memory, in your labels, in your stereotypes....only as they are right now---and then since you don't "NEED" them....you can love them. (When you "need" something or someone---your only interest in them is what you can get from them or how they can be of help in getting your drug---hence the "need" part)

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Silverblk, I think the big problem you're having with others is that you're using the term "brainwashed", which usually implies someone trying to actively influence a person's thought processes for a specific end.

I understand how you would consider it a problem "with others" but this is just part of the territory - if we are all crazy and living in a lunatic asylum (which I agree with 100% by the way - but that is another thread - or not) then everyone SHOULD be upset when I point it out. When I agree with a putdown ---of course I am going to agree--because I understand completely - that I am a crazy lunatic--what else would you expect from a crazy lunatic? This is another world I am talking about -of course - lunatics are going to be offended and hate me when I point out how we are all brainwashed and crazy. I really don't expect people to really understand this part so I will just roll with the hate. It is irrelevant in the end.

We aren't told labels to influence a specific end, we are taught them (imho) in order to shortcut that process to learn higher levels. Once we know what a "squirrel" is, we don't necessarily have to discard it. We can still look at a squirrel, appeciate it, discuss it, etc etc.

Agreed 100% --this is why I keep pointing out ---that I am not referring to mechanical/robotic/mundane tasks....the problem is when we use that system of labeling to apply it to humans, to god, to love, to everything!

How would one even discuss anything without labels? If you try to describe, you will eventually use labels, descriptors, etc etc in your description. This is why trying to equate "brainwashing" with "labels" is such a hard sell, because labels are not only essential, but aid us greatly in explaining higher levels of order.

Additionally, you claim that you are brainwashed like all of us, but you often in your posts make it sound as if you have experienced enlightenment far more than the majority of humans out there. (If you don't think you sound this way, perhaps try re-reading your posts with a more open frame of mind.) Saying things like "People don't want to hear the truth" implies that YOU know "the truth", and that we do not. Obviously, that will lead to defensiveness.

Agreed again. See above statement. I think I would hate SBM too if I had not ever been aware of things....I am still woefully blind.
...but if and when you discover that what we were taught to be true was a lie and you discovered that it was a lie- you would be upset to and want to break out of that prison and warn otherS of this lie...if that makes sense.
I fully expect more hate after saying that.



There's a fine line between acknowledging the unknowability (I think I made that word up) of things, and acknowledging that everything is inherently unknowable. The two are not the same.

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I am admittedly pretty ignorant of a lot of things...however...just look at how fast the universe is expanding every minute...we are ignorant of most of it...yet...somehow a mystery such as the word - god- is someday going to be solved?
I can't even begin to imagine what mysteries are out in the universe and however much knowledge any human can ever possess would still never even begin to get near to solve the mysteries of the universe...

If you look at "god/love" similarly - I think it is safe to say that -that -mystery goes even deeper...IMO.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

I guess I can give you my "interpretation" or my "knowledge -"so far" of this topic;


Dying to the self is simply dying to the "need" for everything...

Example -remember that line in the bible about "you must hate father, mother, brothers,sisters....blah-blah?

(don't think it said blah-blah- but....)

Well...dying to the self means that you died to needing anything or anyone to be happy. You emptied yourself of needing anything or anyone and you loved all things equally. By seeing them for what they were and for what they prevented you from -which was from seeing clearly and accurately. They were a nightmare...all of them because they prevented you from seeing and you remained an addict.
This is why you are instructed to hate mother, hate father, etc...because if you see how "needing" them blinds you---you will grow to hate them----but not actually hate your family---what you really hate is the "NEEDING"

Once you die to this need or "die to the self" ...


Then you can accurately "see" your family and that is the only way you can "love" someone---by seeing them accurately as they are in that particular moment - not as they are in your memory, in your labels, in your stereotypes....only as they are right now---and then since you don't "NEED" them....you can love them. (When you "need" something or someone---your only interest in them is what you can get from them or how they can be of help in getting your drug---hence the "need" part)

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That's not quite what that Bible scripture from Luke 14 meant.

It meant that Jesus wanted disciples to have nothing holding them back from giving 100% to the cause. Property, money, wives, parents, etc should take a back seat to God.

Not many people need everything. Everybody needs something. Everybody.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Yes, please lay it out for me.

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Stop being an insecure pussy that gets so fucking butthurt when someone says something ” mean” to you.

Lesson 1: It's only mean if you let it be mean. Stick and stones and all that.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

I am admittedly pretty ignorant of a lot of things...however...just look at how fast the universe is expanding every minute...we are ignorant of most of it...yet...somehow a mystery such as the word - god- is someday going to be solved?
I can't even begin to imagine what mysteries are out in the universe and however much knowledge any human can ever possess would still never even begin to get near to solve the mysteries of the universe...

If you look at "god/love" similarly - I think it is safe to say that -that -mystery goes even deeper...IMO.

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There are some athiests (like myself) who are agnostic about the ultimate existence of a god. There might be one out there, there might not be, but I don't believe in any god(s). For instance, my earlier question to you regarding the Flying Spaghetti Monster... I'm guessing you don't believe he exists. He MIGHT exist, but that doesn't mean you actively believe in him.

Regarding listing yourself as a lunatic, it greatly discredits your ability to share relevant info if you don't have any specific insight. I might as well listen to a homeless person on the street, or a rich priest, or any other number of people if all our beliefs are on the "same" level. (Especially since the mystics who DO know aren't talking/sharing.)

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Originally Posted by Blake

That's not quite what that Bible scripture from Luke 14 meant.

It meant that Jesus wanted disciples to have nothing holding them back from giving 100% to the cause. Property, money, wives, parents, etc should take a back seat to God.

Not many people need everything. Everybody needs something. Everybody.

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One of the reasons for wars, killings, religious zealotry,etc... this is only two people and we had two different interpretations...

We could both be wrong.

Good example of why the bible and its teachings have hurt as much as helped the planet IMO.

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Originally Posted by Blake

Stop being an insecure pussy that gets so fucking butthurt when someone says something ” mean” to you.

Lesson 1: It's only mean if you let it be mean. Stick and stones and all that.

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Can't really connect how my simple statement and your interpretation of it makes any sense...

smh

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

There are some athiests (like myself) who are agnostic about the ultimate existence of a god. There might be one out there, there might not be, but I don't believe in any god(s). For instance, my earlier question to you regarding the Flying Spaghetti Monster... I'm guessing you don't believe he exists. He MIGHT exist, but that doesn't mean you actively believe in him.

He might exist...the spaghetti monster...might not...same with god...

Regarding listing yourself as a lunatic, it greatly discredits your ability to share relevant info if you don't have any specific insight. I might as well listen to a homeless person on the street, or a rich priest, or any other number of people if all our beliefs are on the "same" level. (Especially since the mystics who DO know aren't talking/sharing.)

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If I ever completed all of Freddie's story - you might begin to get a glimpse as to why I believe 100% that we live in an insane asylum and that we are all lunatics who are running the place.
Since I do believe it--it only makes sense to "label" myself no better than any other lunatic.
A label can be used both ways by lunatics ...I could say, "he is an idiot"...or I could proclaim-"I am a doctor/lawyer/a success/ an astronaut....both are pretty worthless in this sick society.
I believe the insights and/or truth I might have hopefully pointed someone to- would be enough to be worth the time invested.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Can't really connect how my simple statement and your interpretation of it makes any sense...

smh

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I'm not talking about your failed interpretation of scripture.

I'm giving you my personal guide towards happiness.

again, stop being a thin skinned pussy begging for respect. Getting respect from others is irrelevant when searching for truth.

Jesus disrespected a shit load of people. To their faces.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

If I ever completed all of Freddie's story - you might begin to get a glimpse as to why I believe 100% that we live in an insane asylum and that we are all lunatics who are running the place.
Since I do believe it--it only makes sense to "label" myself no better than any other lunatic.
A label can be used both ways by lunatics ...I could say, "he is an idiot"...or I could proclaim-"I am a doctor/lawyer/a success/ an astronaut....both are pretty worthless in this sick society.
I believe the insights and/or truth I might have hopefully pointed someone to- would be enough to be worth the time invested.

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Calling everyone lunatics is labeling them. Either labeling is ok or it's not. If you think it's not ok, don't do it.

Lesson 2: stop being a fucking hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

One of the reasons for wars, killings, religious zealotry,etc... this is only two people and we had two different interpretations...

We could both be wrong.

Good example of why the bible and its teachings have hurt as much as helped the planet IMO.

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I couldn't agree more.

That's why Christians have no business pushing scripture into the political arena.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

If I ever completed all of Freddie's story - you might begin to get a glimpse as to why I believe 100% that we live in an insane asylum and that we are all lunatics who are running the place.
Since I do believe it--it only makes sense to "label" myself no better than any other lunatic.
A label can be used both ways by lunatics ...I could say, "he is an idiot"...or I could proclaim-"I am a doctor/lawyer/a success/ an astronaut....both are pretty worthless in this sick society.
I believe the insights and/or truth I might have hopefully pointed someone to- would be enough to be worth the time invested.

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What if you could get your insights across much more effectively if you used labels? Wouldn't it be worth it?

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Originally Posted by Blake

I'm not talking about your failed interpretation of scripture.

It was as wrong or as right as your interpretation.

I'm giving you my personal guide towards happiness.

Good to see you are happy. I would have never detected any happiness coming from your end...but I detected a lot of other things - none connected to happiness.

again, stop being a thin skinned pussy begging for respect. Getting respect from others is irrelevant when searching for truth.

Respect is like honor, success, achievement, accolades, awards, etc....it means absolutely nothing at all. Unless you are asleep.

Jesus disrespected a shit load of people. To their faces.

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Explain how.

Sounds like you are comparing yourself to Jesus here. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Explain how.

Sounds like you are comparing yourself to Jesus here. Interesting.

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how do you know he's not jesus?

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Originally Posted by Blake

Calling everyone lunatics is labeling them. Either labeling is ok or it's not. If you think it's not ok, don't do it.

Actually - it is called truth. The fact that we are all lunatics is just pointing out a fact. Labeling in itself is not really a problem--it is IDENTIFYING with these labels that is the problem. It could be ok to label a tree a tree - it would not be ok to ASSUME that any tree you see is the same thing -therefore - you will never again see a tree in its present reality - you will be stuck seeing all trees as identical to the very first tree you labeled.

If you label a person a Christian and for years every time you see him you refer to him in your mind as the idiot christian because he believes in the bible - and you do this every time you meet him for the next twenty years -then you would have missed that he converted to judaism 19 years ago when he happened to "identify himself" with a different label.

Lesson 2: stop being a fucking hypocrite.

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I will take that to heart and observe your example if I get lost.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Actually - it is called truth. The fact that we are all lunatics is just pointing out a fact. Labeling in itself is not really a problem--it is IDENTIFYING with these labels that is the problem. It could be ok to label a tree a tree - it would not be ok to ASSUME that any tree you see is the same thing -therefore - you will never again see a tree in its present reality - you will be stuck seeing all trees as identical to the very first tree you labeled.

If you label a person a Christian and for years every time you see him you refer to him in your mind as the idiot christian because he believes in the bible - and you do this every time you meet him for the next twenty years -then you would have missed that he converted to judaism 19 years ago when he happened to "identify himself" with a different label.

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Except it's not a fact. You perceive it to be a fact, but if you are a lunatic as well, then perhaps you are incorrect. By labeling everyone a lunatic (assuming/concluding that everyone is blind due to labels), you are guilty of seeing others by labels.

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Originally Posted by clambake

how do you know he's not jesus?

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My dad thought I was Jesus when I was a teenager.

”Jesus Christ, you still haven't mowed the yard?”

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

I will take that to heart and observe your example if I get lost.

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Nope. You can't use labels yourself but make rules for others when it's ok or not.

It's either always ok or it never is. Anything else is hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

What if you could get your insights across much more effectively if you used labels? Wouldn't it be worth it?

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Labels in themselves aren't the problem - so I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by clambake

how do you know he's not jesus?

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I don't even think anyone really knows what Jesus is...let alone saying that Blake is him.

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Except it's not a fact. You perceive it to be a fact, but if you are a lunatic as well, then perhaps you are incorrect. By labeling everyone a lunatic (assuming/concluding that everyone is blind due to labels), you are guilty of seeing others by labels.

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You could be correct on all of this. We could investigate all of this...

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Originally Posted by Blake

My dad thought I was Jesus when I was a teenager.

”Jesus Christ, you still haven't mowed the yard?”

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So on top of being an asshole - you were lazy too?

Maybe labels can be of some use...:lol

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You could be correct on all of this. We could investigate all of this...

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How would we investigate it if we are brainwashed? How could one even know what it's like to be not brainwashed? One might THINK they know, but maybe it's a different or deeper brainwashing. I'm guessing you've seen the Matrix, right? The same argument applies to the "real world" of the Matrix... how do they know it's the real world? How do they know it's not just a second level, one designed to keep the ones who question in place by providing a more "real" reality to them?

The answer is there's no way for them to truly know. That's the problem with solipsism.

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He might exist...the spaghetti monster...might not...same with god...

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Whether he might exist or not has nothing to do with your BELIEF that he exists or not. Do you believe he exists?

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How would we investigate it if we are brainwashed? How could one even know what it's like to be not brainwashed? One might THINK they know, but maybe it's a different or deeper brainwashing. I'm guessing you've seen the Matrix, right? The same argument applies to the "real world" of the Matrix... how do they know it's the real world? How do they know it's not just a second level, one designed to keep the ones who question in place by providing a more "real" reality to them?

The answer is there's no way for them to truly know. That's the problem with solipsism.

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It's interesting - more than a few friends told me that I would probably enjoy that movie - yet I never really paid attention to it. A couple of times I caught a minute or two of it on one of the re-run stations....and I quickly changed the channel...I must dedicate some time to watching it.


How would we know....good question. By questioning everything - going back and looking at how you were put together and seeing where every belief came from. Where did we get the belief that we couldn't be happy w/out certain things?

Society,parents,culture,etc...

Why did we swallow this belief?

They told me I could never be happy til I had ____ ____... but I worked hard and acquired _____ ____ ...yet I wasn't happy. But I was also programmed to ---blame myself....so I tried harder and acquired more ____ & _____. Still not happy. Why?

Was it a lie?

Obviously, yes.

So - meaning - that this belief - was just a belief- a FALSE belief- yet the whole world lives by and for this belief...so what happened? Why is the world believing this false belief?

Back to blaming myself again - instead of the false belief...because the whole world must be right ==or I am just fuckin' crazy....so I either accept that I am crazy or...
Go back and investigate ANOTHER belief that I was programmed to believe I had to accept...same result....over and over...


Etc....


By working on the programming and then doing the work of re-programming yourself....

:rollin

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It was as wrong or as right as your interpretation.

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It's obvious you didn't study/read the entire passage because you barely knew of the verse at all.

If you want to make up your own interpretation based on a snippet, then that's a poor way of digging for truth.

The right way is to study the full passage to see if Jesus really is telling everyone to literally hate their parents or not by using logic, context, cross referencing other verses, and then comparing your notes with scholars to see if they agree.

If you look, I think you'll find many agree with me, none with you.

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Sounds like you are comparing yourself to Jesus here. Interesting.

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You claimed he was/is enlightened. I'm telling you he disrespected people.

There to with, why are you crying when you feel someone disrespects you by calling you a fucking idiot?

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

So on top of being an asshole - you were lazy too?

Maybe labels can be of some use...:lol

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Are you implying you were never lazy as a teenager?

If so, I'd label you a liar.

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[color=green] It's obvious you didn't study/read the entire passage because you barely knew of the verse at all.

You are misinformed here. It is no use in telling you because these interpretations are always -only interpretations- not real facts. So we would be like the two blind men who are arguing over what the color green is like. Neither one has ever seen it so neither could possibly know.

If you want to make up your own interpretation based on a snippet, then that's a poor way of digging for truth.

I didn't use that way to interpret it - but it doesn't really matter - because again - we are both coming from blindness here so we can't possibly really know.

The right way is to study the full passage to see if Jesus really is telling everyone to literally hate their parents or not by using logic, context, cross referencing other verses, and then comparing your notes with scholars to see if they agree.

The "right" way according to who? To scholars who have an agenda? To someone with a title or a label in front of their name? Someone said I was mocking knowledge - when I say these things - so I have to tread lightly -but why would these people/scholars who have completely swallowed this society's poisoning and identified themselves with a label - be the ones who should decide this? Why do you need experts when truth is a mystery.
Of course - this won't fit your conventional - wisdom - your conventional logic- but it is as valid as anything else - in these matters.
I could humor you and say this, "what if these scholars gave their interpretation and agreed with you?" You would still have someone's "opinion" of what Jesus "might" have meant. It would come from credentialed people - I agree and understand - but it would still be no more than an "opinion" ---it still would not be truth and it would (judging by the state of the planet we live in) probably be just as inaccurate as what a homeless person could give you.

If you look, I think you'll find many agree with me, none with you.

Many also agree that money makes you happy too - what is the point? Many believed MLK was an ignorant n-word when he was telling them truths. Some, like johnsmith reacted violently. This means absolutely nothing.



You claimed he was/is enlightened. I'm telling you he disrespected people.

I asked you how? Got no answer - or I didn't see your response.

There to with, why are you crying when you feel someone disrespects you by calling you a fucking idiot?

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Here is a truth for you. You have your logic - different than others..different than one I might use...

here is a simple way that I feel is fair;

If I engage in a conversation with someone - I am respectful and forget about any past dealings we have had in the past and just converse - respectfully.

If this respect is returned with stupidity and this person can only relate in a stupid way - then I am happy to oblige him and treat him like a stupid idiot.

I see it as a simple and fair courtesy...some posters labeled me in their minds years ago and I could post in a thread about love - and all they could do was post in THAT thread about something I said in a hate thread....just business as usual here...

I am not butthurt about it - merely explaining what you see as some kind of pussy behavior...I see it as what I described...

Same thing I noticed with Avante...when you speak to him respectfully - he is a cool guy to converse with...when idiots and stupid morons post stupid and idiotic shit- he returns it and plays the "stupid" game.

Maybe it is an age thing...we didn't grow up on the internet where we could say stupid shit without consequence - we grew up with mutual respect towards others--unless they disrespect you.

Don't even expect you to understand - but you seem to be stuck on this "pussy" rant...lol

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Here is a truth for you. You have your logic - different than others..different than one I might use...

here is a simple way that I feel is fair;

If I engage in a conversation with someone - I am respectful and forget about any past dealings we have had in the past and just converse - respectfully.

If this respect is returned with stupidity and this person can only relate in a stupid way - then I am happy to oblige him and treat him like a stupid idiot.

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That's simply untrue. You have jumped into many threads in what you characterize as a stupid way from the start. You have launched attacks at posters months and years after the perceived slight you suffered at their hands.

It's difficult to take anything you try to post seriously as such when you are simply dishonest about your own obvious and provable posting history.

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That's simply untrue. You have jumped into many threads in what you characterize as a stupid way from the start. You have launched attacks at posters months and years after the perceived slight you suffered at their hands.

It's difficult to take anything you try to post seriously as such when you are simply dishonest about your own obvious and provable posting history.

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You missed the part about when I first respond to a poster -

I start with respect - if I am disrespected - I then oblige him.

Pretty simple.

Now you are whining ..."he said-she said"

I never fire the first shot - that is provable too but wgaf?

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You missed the part about when I first respond to a poster -

I start with respect - if I am disrespected - I then oblige him.

Pretty simple.

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Forever?

Yes, that is very simple.

But also untrue.

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Now you are whining ..."he said-she said"

I never fire the first shot - that is provable too but wgaf?

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If you need to feel morally superior so badly that you'll lie to everyone including yourself about it, it is you who GAF.

Silverblk, what if your parents told you that if you did X and you would be happy, and you did X and you were happy. Would that still be brainwashing?

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If I engage in a conversation with someone - I am respectful and forget about any past dealings we have had in the past and just converse - respectfully.

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that's a bold face lie.

Disrespect to you intended.

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I asked you how? Got no answer - or I didn't see your response.

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If you've barely cracked open the bible, you really have no business calling me out for calling Christians out.

Even then, it's not a hard google search to find where Jesus disrespected his own mother in the New Blake translation: ”why the hell are you bothering me about there being no more wine? Wtf do you want me to do about it, Woman?”

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Forever?

Yes, that is very simple.

But also untrue.

If you need to feel morally superior so badly that you'll lie to everyone including yourself about it, it is you who GAF.

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Chumpie, get with the thread- you could learn a lot...

Blake is teaching me about Happiness...and Blake is explaining how he is Jesus...

Blake is also teaching me about how NOT to be a hypocrite.

You should share and learn instead of whining about butthurt feelings IMO.

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Silverblk, what if your parents told you that if you did X and you would be happy, and you did X and you were happy. Would that still be brainwashing?

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Then I would be happy - not brainwashed.

Some things we were taught led to happiness....unfortunately ...most of what we were taught was how to be unhappy.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Chumpie, get with the thread- you could learn a lot...

Blake is teaching me about Happiness...and Blake is explaining how he is Jesus...

Blake is also teaching me about how NOT to be a hypocrite.

You should share and learn instead of whining about butthurt feelings IMO.

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lol all the while you are teaching the forum that you are Neo

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lol all the while you are teaching the forum that you are Neo

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:lol

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that's a bold face lie.

Disrespect to you intended.

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Is it really?

Think about it...you and the usual suspects have thrown a lot of garbage my way - deserved or undeserved- and yet usually - in the next thread I begin by conversing with you pretty normally. Look at the christian thread - all you did was name-call for a few pages...

then I started this thread and responded and conversed with you respectfully...

just sayin'

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Then I would be happy - not brainwashed.

Some things we were taught led to happiness....unfortunately ...most of what we were taught was how to be unhappy.

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Technically, you would still be brainwashed in that case, though. You still were told what to think, except in this case, you were happy with the end result.

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Then I would be happy - not brainwashed.

Some things we were taught led to happiness....unfortunately ...most of what we were taught was how to be unhappy.

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Why does happiness and brain washing have to be mutually exclusive?

One dude saw reality and wanted to go back to being his old self in the Matrix.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Chumpie, get with the thread- you could learn a lot...

Blake is teaching me about Happiness...and Blake is explaining how he is Jesus...

Blake is also teaching me about how NOT to be a hypocrite.

You should share and learn instead of whining about butthurt feelings IMO.

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If you could actually stop trying to shoot the messenger, you would see that all I was doing was pointing out rather gross inconsistencies that also point towards hypocrisy

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Technically, you would still be brainwashed in that case, though. You still were told what to think, except in this case, you were happy with the end result.

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If we got really technical - we would break down what the definition of happiness was...if we broke it down - we would discover that if one was truly happy --he would most certainly NOT be brainwashed....

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Technically, you would still be brainwashed in that case, though. You still were told what to think, except in this case, you were happy with the end result.

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Right, the brainwashing coincidentally or not led to happiness.

This whole business seems to be trying to build up a false causation, as if any unhappiness could be traced back to so-called brainwashing.

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Is it really?

Think about it...you and the usual suspects have thrown a lot of garbage my way - deserved or undeserved- and yet usually - in the next thread I begin by conversing with you pretty normally. Look at the christian thread - all you did was name-call for a few pages...

then I started this thread and responded and conversed with you respectfully...

just sayin'

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Yes, it is true.

Even if it wasn't, the only one that cares about G Rated discussions is you.

It's pathetic that all I have to do to make you meltdown and cry is call you a ”fucking idiot”.

Stop being a thin skinned pussy, you fucking idiot.

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If we got really technical - we would break down what the definition of happiness was...if we broke it down - we would discover that if one was truly happy --he would most certainly NOT be brainwashed....

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Lesson 3: True happiness for you =/= true happiness for others.

Stop passing off your theories of enlightenment as if they were truth for everyone.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

If we got really technical - we would break down what the definition of happiness was...if we broke it down - we would discover that if one was truly happy --he would most certainly NOT be brainwashed....

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Feel free to try and break it down. Does happiness imply some sort of fundamental "truth" to it? I would argue that those who know "truth" the most are in fact usually the unhappiest sorts.

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If we got really technical - we would break down what the definition of happiness was...if we broke it down - we would discover that if one was truly happy --he would most certainly NOT be brainwashed....

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I tell you, I was TRULY happy last Saturday night for a couple hours....

Since then, not so much.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If you could actually stop trying to shoot the messenger, you would see that all I was doing was pointing out rather gross inconsistencies that also point towards hypocrisy

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Would you expect anything better from a brainwashed person who is just like you?

There is your answer.

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Right, the brainwashing coincidentally or not led to happiness.

This whole business seems to be trying to build up a false causation, as if any unhappiness could be traced back to so-called brainwashing.

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That is actually quite impressive - but backwards in a way...

You kinda hit it on the nose there - but you believe it is not true.

Unhappiness can be directly traced back to brainwashing - in fact this is probably the best definition of Spirituality right here. You hit it by accident. Or by being a supreme skeptic.

There it is - the brainwashing leads directly to unhappiness...remember Freddie's story (all of us represent Freddie -or Freddie represents all of us)how he was programmed to be unhappy - so deprogramming yourself is very much a way to get your happiness back.

So did you read Part 1 or Part 2 or both or none of it.

This should be what is being discussed...not our little war...IMO.

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Lesson 3: True happiness for you =/= true happiness for others.

Stop passing off your theories of enlightenment as if they were truth for everyone.

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If you are completely happy and free of brainwashing - it should not interest you. If someone has bumped into life again and again and is still finding happiness elusive - this could be quite helpful. The brainwashing has prevented you/me/they/anyone from getting back to our natural state - which is complete and utter bliss and peace and joy and contact with reality.

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This should be what is being discussed...not our little war...IMO.

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you're letting a non existent war make you unhappy.

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This should be what is being discussed...not our little war...IMO.

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you're letting a non existent war make you unhappy.

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Feel free to try and break it down. Does happiness imply some sort of fundamental "truth" to it? I would argue that those who know "truth" the most are in fact usually the unhappiest sorts.

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First of all...did you read Freddie's story?

What is your take on Freddie's story? Any parallels to anyone you know or to your life - if you'd rather reference someone else that is understandable.

Isn't Freddie like most people and Freddie's upbringing very similar to a lot of people (give or take a few details) ?

How are people who know "truth" the unhappiest? I would argue that if it was "truth" they found they are the happiest, the mystics, infants, dogs, creatures, etc....

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I tell you, I was TRULY happy last Saturday night for a couple hours....

Since then, not so much.

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Wouldn't you agree that it wasn't lasting happiness? Maybe it was just a desire fulfilled? Or a thrill? Or a satisfying of an urge that you thought would make you happy - but it was fleeting?

Not true happiness.

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If you are completely happy and free of brainwashing - it should not interest you.

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That makes no sense on any level.

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If someone has bumped into life again and again and is still finding happiness elusive - this could be quite helpful. The brainwashing has prevented you/me/they/anyone from getting back to our natural state - which is complete and utter bliss and peace and joy and contact with reality.

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natural state?

no disrespect: the truth in this post is that you're just throwing out a bunch of nonsense. Again.

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you're letting a non existent war make you unhappy.

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lol

Doesn't make me anything - just pointing out that Freddie's story is the topic...our story...isn't it wonderful to be so similar?

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Wouldn't you agree that it wasn't lasting happiness? Maybe it was just a desire fulfilled? Or a thrill? Or a satisfying of an urge that you thought would make you happy - but it was fleeting?

Not true happiness.

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Now this sounds like your typical Sunday preacher straight from the pulpit.

After reading this thread, all I really come away with is that the OP is a species of Daoist whose fervent desire to evangelize is crippled by starting principles which ascribe the same truth-value to all viewpoints.

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lol

Doesn't make me anything - just pointing out that Freddie's story is the topic...our story...isn't it wonderful to be so similar?

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Your meltdowns from this perceived war prove that it makes you unhappy to the point of getting banned.

you've also admitted that people disrespecting you makes you unhappy.

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That makes no sense on any level.

Why not? I am saying that if you are in a true state of happiness - you are a mystic - and of course you would find my threads boring and unnessary. It makes perfect sense. You and I are not mystics so we should learn something here.



natural state?

no disrespect: the truth in this post is that you're just throwing out a bunch of nonsense. Again.

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What nonsense - it makes perfect sense. Look inside yourself and find your truth meter or whatever it can be called and seriously tell me it doesn't ring true.

You came into the world - you were perfect. You were in touch with reality. You were contaminated by the stupidity of human beings. Which part is not 100% absolutely self-evident. You are smart. You can sense truth. It is right there.

Again - just to be clear - before someone runs with it--the stupidity of human beings was the harmful programming away from reality - not the useful and loving actions to help you survive in the world and the teaching of mechanical things.

And...no one programmed you MALICIOUSLY --it was all the information they had from their programming--they did the best they knew how- but they still programmed you away from reality.

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After reading this thread, all I really come away with is that the OP is a species of Daoist whose fervent desire to evangelize is crippled by starting principles which ascribe the same truth-value to all viewpoints.

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What about Freddie? Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Blake

Your meltdowns from this perceived war prove that it makes you unhappy to the point of getting banned.

you've also admitted that people disrespecting you makes you unhappy.

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That is made up shit - right there.

You are better than that.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Would you expect anything better from a brainwashed person who is just like you?

There is your answer.

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That look much more like a cop out non-answer. But if you say you are brainwashed, that's cool.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

That is actually quite impressive - but backwards in a way...

You kinda hit it on the nose there - but you believe it is not true.

Unhappiness can be directly traced back to brainwashing - in fact this is probably the best definition of Spirituality right here. You hit it by accident. Or by being a supreme skeptic.

There it is - the brainwashing leads directly to unhappiness...remember Freddie's story (all of us represent Freddie -or Freddie represents all of us)how he was programmed to be unhappy - so deprogramming yourself is very much a way to get your happiness back.

So did you read Part 1 or Part 2 or both or none of it.

This should be what is being discussed...not our little war...IMO.

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Your little story has no context whatsoever. If you think you've figured it out, tell your story. No need to hide it.

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What about Freddie? Any thoughts?

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Since Freddie is your Platonic likely-story, my comments about you apply to "him."

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That look much more like a cop out non-answer. But if you say you are brainwashed, that's cool.

Your little story has no context whatsoever. If you think you've figured it out, tell your story. No need to hide it.

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Speaking of non-answers....

So do you know anyone whom might have had a similar upbringing - except for me - I already said your story, MY STORY, etc...

Do you disagree with the premise that Freddie was programmed (not maliciously) from birth?

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

Since Freddie is your Platonic likely-story, my comments about you apply to "him."

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So does Freddie's story seem familiar - do you know people or cases like this?

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

Speaking of non-answers....

So do you know anyone whom might have had a similar upbringing - except for me - I already said your story, MY STORY, etc...

Do you disagree with the premise that Freddie was programmed (not maliciously) from birth?

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Freddie doesn't exist.

There is no reason to make up a story if you are talking about yourself, which is really the only thing you can do. Generalizing for everyone else in the world is grandiloquent and loses any impact you might be hoping to make.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Freddie doesn't exist.

There is no reason to make up a story if you are talking about yourself, which is really the only thing you can do. Generalizing for everyone else in the world is grandiloquent and loses any impact you might be hoping to make.

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I'm proud of you man -grandiloquent - steppin' up your game!

The truth is that - unfortunately - it is pretty much everyone's story - so it is pretty proper to use someone to represent everyone - it gives it more power - if the reader is honest enough to see himself or parts of himself in it.

Not wishing any bad on anyone - but if you have ever suffered - or if you suffer in the future - and who hasn't? and who won't?

It might be more relatable to you at that time. Most people don't care too much about these things until they find themselves in a very bad place. Then you might not be such a skeptic because you may find yourself searching for another way to live - than the way that brought you to that state.

Suffering is a great way to learn - but it sucks to suffer.

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That is made up shit - right there.

You are better than that.

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No, you got banned because you melted down. You melted down because you got angry. You got angry because somebody called you an idiot or something similar.

if that isn't true, explain why you got banned then.

.....because I didn't make up you getting banned. That really happened. You getting banned. Happened. Rather recently, tbh.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

I'm proud of you man -grandiloquent - steppin' up your game!

The truth is that - unfortunately - it is pretty much everyone's story - so it is pretty proper to use someone to represent everyone - it gives it more power - if the reader is honest enough to see himself or parts of himself in it.

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Quite the opposite, really.

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Not wishing any bad on anyone - but if you have ever suffered - or if you suffer in the future - and who hasn't? and who won't?

It might be more relatable to you at that time. Most people don't care too much about these things until they find themselves in a very bad place. Then you might not be such a skeptic because you may find yourself searching for another way to live - than the way that brought you to that state.

Suffering is a great way to learn - but it sucks to suffer.

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Well, making pompous assumptions about your audience isn't helping you either. I will never relate to a character you made up on a message board because you were too afraid to tell your own story. It's no big deal -- judging from this thread it doesn't seem like you had much to share anyway.

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Originally Posted by Blake

No, you got banned because you melted down. You melted down because you got angry. You got angry because somebody called you an idiot or something similar.

if that isn't true, explain why you got banned then.

.....because I didn't make up you getting banned. That really happened. You getting banned. Happened. Rather recently, tbh.

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Nice try.

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The truth is that - unfortunately - it is pretty much everyone's story - so it is pretty proper to use someone to represent everyone - it gives it more power - if the reader is honest enough to see himself or parts of himself in it.

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k, I finally read your fucky fuck story. Though there are a ton of problems, I think there are two that should be obvious, even to you:

1. You're saying labels are worse than heroin. Actually made me really chuckle.

2. You're assuming it's adults that pass labels down to kids.

You put five kids of different gender, height, weight, skin color, etc in a vacuum where they have never known adults and I don't see how they don't recognize they are all different.

And even if they do, so what?

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Nice try.

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I think I hit a home run.

If not, explain why it's not a homer.

He's been at this pushing a week and SM has managed to persuade how many? I count none.

And Blake these is a difference between recognizing difference and how you label, emphasize or otherwise differentiate said differences. Our labels are just particular groupings, in this country mostly based on skin color. You could just as easily group by nose tilt eye color or toes. The labels we have are very much so taught down to what ranges of the spectrum we call blue, red, indigo or so forth.

There is an argument to say that there are inherent categories or forms but I think that is horseshit. This is easy to tell when you look at isolated cultures.

To the contrary of this is prime numbers but I doubt people here want to talk about the fine structure constant or the abc conjecture.

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He's been at this pushing a week and SM has managed to persuade how many? I count none.

And Blake these is a difference between recognizing difference and how you label, emphasize or otherwise differentiate said differences. Our labels are just particular groupings, in this country mostly based on skin color. You could just as easily group by nose tilt eye color or toes. The labels we have are very much so taught down to what ranges of the spectrum we call blue, red, indigo or so forth.

There is an argument to say that there are inherent categories or forms but I think that is horseshit. This is easy to tell when you look at isolated cultures.

To the contrary of this is prime numbers but I doubt people here want to talk about the fine structure constant or the abc conjecture.

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I think labeling is inherent myself, simply because at times, language demands it.

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Quite the opposite, really.

Well, making pompous assumptions about your audience isn't helping you either. I will never relate to a character you made up on a message board because you were too afraid to tell your own story. It's no big deal -- judging from this thread it doesn't seem like you had much to share anyway.

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But...you came here because?

because you were carrying a lot of butthurt from the past and you brought it here...ok. :lol

If it sucked so badly - why the need to come here and state it again?

oh yeah...the butthurt thing...GOT IT!!!! :lol

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But...you came here because?

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I was already here. You started a thread.

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because you were carrying a lot of butthurt from the past and you brought it here...ok. :lol

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This is where you begin to undermine yourself. Well, you actually did that with the OP. This is why no one buys what you are trying to sell. No one could possibly believe you have achieved any happiness when your first step is petty and insulting.

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If it sucked so badly - why the need to come here and state it again?

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I told you what might make it more compelling.

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oh yeah...the butthurt thing...GOT IT!!!! :lol

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Is that the enlightened, truly happy SBM posting that?

Of course not. No such thing. It's as made up as Freddie Fuckstix.

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k, I finally read your fucky fuck story.

Wait, seriously? :lol You hadn't read it and you had all that anger and ammo before reading it? Wow! :lol
ok...I'll take it - and thanks for reading it, seriously. (extra points for fucky fuck -I like it!)

Though there are a ton of problems, I think there are two that should be obvious, even to you:

Agreed - with the ton of problems...not trying to pass a class here --just looking for a little discussion!

1. You're saying labels are worse than heroin. Actually made me really chuckle.

Wrong fucko! The PROGRAMMING is the drug and the problem - the labels are just a side effect - but I admit - since you aren't the first person to bring up the "labels" - I admit I must be a sucky writer if this is the impression readers get. The "list" of things we can't be happy without- there is the problem - there is the programming - there is the addiction -most of us were programmed with this list and most of us naturally swallowed it because we trust our parents (rightfully) and we wasted so much energy and effort and time chasing a false belief- that we NEEDED these things to be happy. We don't. No one does. It is ok to have some of these things - that isn't the problem - the problem lies when we believe we can't be happy without them -therefore the "addiction" part of the equation.

2. You're assuming it's adults that pass labels down to kids.

Not quite - I stated that parents, culture, society, educational institutions, religion, etc - all played a part.

You put five kids of different gender, height, weight, skin color, etc in a vacuum where they have never known adults and I don't see how they don't recognize they are all different.

Well it could be argued that IF ---big --- IF--- they did not have the programming/labeling - that they might find the differences to be pretty cool or pretty insignificant - whereas with the labeling/programming they would hate each other because of these differences. (I hate jews, I hate blacks, I hate black people, I hate mexicans,etc...) if they were ignorant of these labels they would just think it was pretty cool to have different colors, different hair, different skin, different sizes, etc)



And even if they do, so what?

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I was already here. You started a thread.

This is where you begin to undermine yourself. Well, you actually did that with the OP. This is why no one buys what you are trying to sell. No one could possibly believe you have achieved any happiness when your first step is petty and insulting.



Wrong as usual. My actual OP was somewhere in the Christian thread - where I just basically stated that the christians that were being bashed for believing were just programmed or brainwashed differently. Not better - not worse just differently.

So - you failed again because there was no butthurt or anger - just stating a fact and this thread was just started to demonstrate how someone could be brainwashed.


?FAIL!!!!
I told you what might make it more compelling.

Is that the enlightened, truly happy SBM posting that?

Of course not. No such thing. It's as made up as Freddie Fuckstix.

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Now you're trying to say your OP is not really an OP?

lol talk about denying reality.

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He's been at this pushing a week and SM has managed to persuade how many? I count none.

??Sorry to disappoint you - but I am not trying to PERSUADE --just trying to have a simple discussion, a forum, a friendly debate,etc

And Blake these is a difference between recognizing difference and how you label, emphasize or otherwise differentiate said differences. Our labels are just particular groupings, in this country mostly based on skin color. You could just as easily group by nose tilt eye color or toes. The labels we have are very much so taught down to what ranges of the spectrum we call blue, red, indigo or so forth.

There is an argument to say that there are inherent categories or forms but I think that is horseshit. This is easy to tell when you look at isolated cultures.

To the contrary of this is prime numbers but I doubt people here want to talk about the fine structure constant or the abc conjecture.

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??Read above comments - the labels aren't the problem - the programming/brainwashing is.

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Now you're trying to say your OP is not really an OP?

lol talk about denying reality.

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Either you don't know or you are playing games...I broke off from the christian thread to start this one - once Woo Bung Hole and I agreed on the premise/issue--

when he agreed that the premise was indeed brainwashing and that he didn't think anyone of us was ever brainwashed - I started this thread to demonstrate how it is very common for people to be brainwashed and in fact I think most of us were.

End of story.

Join the topic and let your butthurt go.