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U cannot be serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
hmmm.....DRob?
Is this a serious thread?
The Spurs will always be The Admirals team ...like the Lakers are Jerry Wests team..like the Celtics are Bill Russels team...like the Bulls are Jordans team...Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
and on and on....pick your franchise. Malone and Utah...Barkley and Phoenix...Hakeem and Houston...Dr. J and Philly...Isiah Thomas and the Pistons...Walten and the Trailblazers...
I could go through 'em all...
That would be a good thread, actually. What player do you associate with a team over its history ?
Does that answer your question...?
D Rob will always be San Antonio's favorite son and will forever be loved, but Manu is the most popular because of the style he plays and he flat out wins. I will bet anyone on this forum that when Manus career is over poll the city and it might not even be close.
Maybe ONE of the most popular Spurs, but not THE most popular.
Word!Quote:
Originally Posted by word
:vomit :vomit :vomit :vomitQuote:
Originally Posted by shyne
Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ENOUGH! :cuss
I know you guys are loyal to Big Dave and so am I, but what i'm saying isnt out of the ordinary. Dave will always be Mr. Spur, but most "popular" will be Manu when his career is over especially he keeps playing the way he has been.
let's just wait for the 2006 All-Star voting, shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
for the meantime.......... :stfu
WTF does the 2006 All-Star voting have to do with the people of San Antonio dumbass?
How could you ever measure something like that?
For example, at the AlamoDome celebration, Duncan got the most applause? So is he the most popular?
It's a weird thread.
There were 3 ladies sitting in front of me at the alamodome celebration and when Manu started speaking to the crowd in spanish the bursted out in tears in all my years as a spurs fan I have never seen that with any athlete.
let's see if he can beat Duncan in the number of votes, dumbass :cussQuote:
Originally Posted by shyne
Once again idiot i'm just talking about San Antonio, i'm not saying he is better than TD or 50 but he will be more popular with the people of SA once his career is over.
Yeah but....I think what he's saying is the # of votes in the all star voting is nationwide. You asked who was the most popular Spur so taking into account history and David Robinson can't GET a vote since .....
Ahh never mind....
I believe the question was 'most popular Spur EVER' and the all star voting doesn't take that into account much less the most popular player among the residents of SA.
Engrish rangruage most tricky...
That's quite an interesting thread, but really an impossible one to answer. On the one Manu can appeal the Spanish speaking population in a way that no Spur ever could, but I think that Manu is still looked at as an Argentine playing in SA. DRob is thought of practically as a native son. Hell, I don't even really remember where Robinson is originally from.
20 years from now who will turn the SBC inside out with applause ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
David Robinson...as long as he's alive. He put the Spurs on the map and set the tone for the Spurs rep that they have today. Spurs are still the only X-ABA team to win 'A' title, much less three.
PERIOD !!!! End of STORY....
Thread OVER.
You guys all have your opinions and I have mine didnt mean to get all your panties in a wad. Once again though I believe David Robinson is the San Antonio Spurs, we wouldnt be here without him. I also believe Tim Duncan is the greatest player in Spurs History. But Manu Ginobili will go down as the greatest fan favorite in Spurs history in my OPINION, the way he hustles, his flare, and fire for the game makes him very appealing to the people of SA. If he plays a bigger role in coming years and we win more championships in which I think we will this is a very good argument.
lol
i didn't see San Antonio here......Quote:
Will Manu go down as the most popular spur ever?
I believe he already has
being popular is not only for the Spurs fans, or community but including fans around the NBA or the world. And one way of measuring that players' popularity is voting him in the All-Star game.
Who knows he could be the next Yao Ming? Maybe being him the most,your qoute, he should beat any other Spur in he roster in the votation to the All-Star.Quote:
"popular he already has"
if he can beat Duncan then, we'll see if he is by more popular than David.
let's start from there. for the meantime :stfu
Thats not a fair argument ASG voting because they play different postions, just as Tim was making the ASG every year and Big Dave wasen't doesnt mean that he was popular than Dave just the competition at the positons were different.
milky way you dont get it...
What Shyne is trying to say is POPULARITY not SKILL smartass..
Of course TD will get more All-Star votes than Manu, simply because TD is better than Manu!
Popularity and Skill is diff... geez people
no, DRob always.
that cool its your opinion and I'm not gonna bash you for it.
people who cry over sports stars are not normal. Those women in front of you were probably a little imbalanced and have some kind of obsession problem. There will always be a few crazies who idolize certain celebs and break down in their presence. It's an unhealthy obsession and I wouldn't include those people when trying to guage the opinion of the masses.
Overall, your question is rather silly - not to mention WAY too premature. Manu's popularity has only been extremely high for a few months now. Geez, David Robinson was the most popular guy in San Antonio for almost a decade!!! No comparison at this point.
These ladies in front of me were older prolly in their sixties maybe even seventies. I think it was the fact the he was speaking spanish that did it, I don't think there has ever been a spur thats done that before and thats very appealing to the hispanic community in SA, and really shows respect.
Your seeing Manu through rose-colored glasses. He doesn't always play that great. He had a couple of really bad games in the finals if you remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
So, y'all think after Timmy retires, this will still be "DRob's team"? Or will it become "Timmy's team"?
Nobody cried when Bowen talked spanish at the Alamodome celebration. How dare they not??!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
;)
Lets see...
The loudest moment in the finals up to game 7 at the SBC center was when David Robinson was announced with the NBA legends.
David IS the Spurs.
I think Manu will be the Spur with the largest fan base by the time his career is over. Its a given, he has an advantage over people because he has the latin vote, much like Yao does.
EOSQuote:
Originally Posted by Sec24Row7
PS. Could Russell have walked ANY slower.... LOL !!!
Old ladies can just as easily develop unhealthy obsessions over attractive young sports stars. Crying like that over a famous person isn't normal and I really wouldn't include people like that if I were taking a survey on whose the most popular Spur. I don't think respect (from Manu or the fans) is really a factor, this type of reaction from fans is just irrational idol worship.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
You really think if you're judging a popularity contest, they wouldn't count the people that cry over their idols?? you're not being realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
they werent screaming hysterically or going crazy just weeping a little bit.
The point IS..what player is associated with a team and THAT is what will tell you who is most 'popular' I guess. Are the Celtics Larry Birds team ? Nope. Because there were others before him in Boston. Is LA Shaq's or Magics team ? Nope. There were others before them.
For the last goddamn time, this is David Robinsons team and will always be that no matter what is done, or not done, after that.
Jebus....hunnert years from now...it will still be the admirals team...
Then I guess its George Gervin's team huh? I think he was before D Rob. You can't base it on that.
I'm sure there are fans who cry that histerically over Ashlee Simpson. Does that make her popular?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
;)
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by word
It's still crazy to weep over a celebrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
I adore Manu, but the sight of him would never make me weep. Seriously, that's way over the top. These ladies basically have a fixation/crush on him and they have gotten very carried away.
For whom? for bandwagon fans in Latin America this is already Manu's team. So you see, if we're talking popularity as in world wide fans, I'm sorry but Manu wins by a landslide; now if we're talking about popularity among knowledgeable Spurs fans then I'd say David as well, although Tim and Manu are right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by word
they are still fans JellyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
Since when does Argentina represent the whole world? I don't think many of you realize how many fans around the world the Spurs already had way before Manu came in.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
Around the world, I would say there are FAR more David Robinson, Ice, and Tim Duncan fans than there are Manu fans (not counting Argentina, ofcourse)
Maybe in a couple of years, as Manu is exposed in the NBA stage a little more, he will have lots of fans, but TODAY I wouldn't say he has more fans around the globe than other Spurs players.
No. It seems to me that Manu's popularity in much of Latin America is completely separate from the Spurs. He is a famous, good looking sports star that represents Argentina and Latin America. There are probably legions of fans down there that love him and don't even know or care that he's a Spur.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
If the question is interpreted (as I intrepreted it ) "who is the most popular among Spurs fans", it doesn't matter what people who are strictly Manu fans (and not Spurs fans) think.
^ Word.
You are out of your mind! There are definatly more Manu fans! I mean since when does Timmy have bandwagon fans!?? Tim's fans are people that actually know basketball and understand what he brings to the game. Tim is not a flashy player, and that is the reason why he doesn't appeal to most casual basketball fans. I know you like Tim and David and Ice, but lets be real, there hasn't been a Spurs player with this kind of global impact before.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
A Latin American impact, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
A worldwide impact, not at this time.
hence why I said bandwagon Spurs fans, and the question in this thread is the most popular Spurs player ever, doesn't say anything about among "real fans". Face it, Manu has more fans world wide than any Spur in history. Again I'm not saying "real Spur fans", I'm not saying he's the best Spur, just the one with most fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
Really?? which Spurs has more worldwide impact than Manu???Quote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
Prove that Manu has more worldwide fans (EXCLUDING Latin American fans) than DRob, Ice, Timmy, etc. ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
Jesus christ! Its obvious!!! When DRob and Ice were playing the Spurs weren't even global!!! Why would international fans watch them?? Huh? I'm talking bandwagon fans!! NOT REAL FANS!!! The NBA has gone global only in the past few years, before then the only NBA players that actually had a bandwagon following outside the US were Jordan, Magic, Bird and maybe Barkley. I know DRob played during the same period as Jordan but Jordan was flashier than David and hence got a hell of a lot more fans. I really don't understand how it is that difficult to comprehend why Manu has more fans outside of the US than any other Spur in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
You guys act like we are ripping Tim and Dave we are not. Manu is more popular cause hes fun to watch hes shown that on every level. Hes more global than Tim and Dave cause the world saw what he did to everyone at the Olympics.
No, he's more popular because he appeals to more masses, and also because he's a bit more fun to watch than Tim and David. Not more effective or better, just more fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
Considering the fact that Manu has been a star proffessionaly on three different continents, I think it is safe to say he is the most globally popular Spur. Dave will always be the man in S.A. though.
Manu is the more popular at the moment then tim or dave for spurs fans, and thats ok, as long as they dont forget y spurs have always been a good franchise, from drob in his prime to the duncan era. Fans can moon over any player, and drob and tim will be the first to acknowledge the hold manu has on fans right now
And I'm talking about fans outside of Latin America. How can you really prove he's the most popular?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
I've read tons of articles in the past of fans worldwide of all those Spurs players I mentioned already, who've even traveled to SA just to watch a game and meet the players, then leave the next day. All the articles I've read about Manu's popularity have been about people in Argentina.
Really?? what about all those articles from around the NBA? and if you want I can get you articles from Spain as well. I can't give a specific number of fans each player has, what you're asking me is ridiculous, but if you can't realize Manu's popularity goes beyond Latin America then you've been living in a bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
Alright. I quit.
Manu has more fans, even if they're not knowledgeable.
Truce? :D
Well globally the world saw him kick the shit out of Tim and Team USA so he automatically got credit from the rest of the world for slaying the dragon that is USA Basketball. Dam I hated Manu that game.
I should read more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
POP!!!Quote:
if you can't realize Manu's popularity goes beyond Latin America then you've been living in a bubble.
;)
Nah... I never hated Manu. Just his teammates. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by shyne
Besides you keep saying "only Latin America", well that's being global my friend. Global does not mean EVERY SINGLE CONTINENT (even though I do think Manu is popular in most continents) it just means in more than one. Let say DRob was more popular in the US than Manu, fine, but outside the states Manu has ALL of Latin America, Spain, Italy and maybe more. Do you honestly think DRob, Ice or even Timmy have more of the world covered than Manu has???
globally, manu is already more popular than drob... and you don't have people thinking they will be cured by touching drob like they did to manu in that hospital a few days ago..
Go back and read what MaNuMaNiA said.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
He specifically said Latin America, not Argentina.
I'm not fighting you, really! I'm just having a discussion. If you thought I was angry I appologise, I wasn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
The World has no fucking clue who Ice is/was or what he did for the Spurs or the NBA for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOP-CHERRY
Get a clue.
hmmm
let me see
from my circle of friends
Manu is more popular... more guys like his style of play.
heck a lot of my friends thought Manu was "the man" in the finals... now they weren't spurs fans...
so im guessing (assuming) that if you weren't a spur fan and you saw the finals you'd like Manu's game than tims (specially on how disappointing TDs playoffs ((FINALS GAME 5 CHOKE JOB) were on 2 gimpy ankles).
if manu continues this level of play... he'll easily be worldwide the most popular spur player ever
trueQuote:
Originally Posted by smeagol
One prob with that counter logic there ....slick.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
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Yes but that wouldn't be that hard because I don't remember too many exciting players that the spurs had. I only been watching basketball for 15 years so I can't remember anyone close. Duncan might be the most talented but Ginobili is not that far off from being the best shooting guard in the league. He needs to score more to be that though.
whats that problem?
Looks like shyne might have a point after all . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by orhe
"I really don't understand how it is that difficult to comprehend why Manu has more fans outside of the US than any other Spur in history."
currently he does have a larger world-wide fan base then the other Spurs. But the question is "WILL MANU GO DOWN AS THE MOST POPULAR SPUR EVER". The question is not "who is the most popular now"!
A certain longevity test is required here. The thread starter is asking us to look into the future to answer this question and it is WAY to soon to even suggest that Manu, whose popularity has only soared in recent months, and who has only even been on the team for 2 years, would "go down" as the "most popular Spur ever". The question is simply ridiculous! David Robinson's entire career was with the Spurs. Manu is at the beginning of his NBA career. Manu has not passed the test of time. Whose to say that he won't start sucking in two years and then he'll be hated by everyone? Whose to say he will even be a Spur for more than another year? He may end up spending the bulk of his career with the Celtics for all we know, and if that happens, then twenty years from now, when we're debating who the most popular Spur was, Ginobili's name might not even enter the conversation!
David Robinson had a stellar career and was a Spur for 14 YEARS, maintaining enormous popularity through out!!!! To even attempt to draw a comparison between that and someone who is just very popular now is ridiculous.
You clearly did not get what the thread starter meant. He/She specifically stated that IF he kept playing like he'd been playing then he'd end up being the most popular spurs ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
Now I know these are just conjectures, and noone can really tell whats going to happen, but logically IF he remains a Spur, and IF he keeps playing like he's been playing he'll end up the most popular Spur in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
If Manu gets traded Pop better hire an army cause this city will kill him.
Also, what if Manu's performance doesn't hold up over time and the Argentine/Latin American fan base starts shifting its allegiance to another player like Delfino. What if, in two years or so, we have 10 more latin american players...all doing fairly well. You don't think Manu's fan base will dissipate a little...or even A LOT depending on how good the others are?
fans are fickle, Shyne. If Manu does a bad job next year, they'll turn on him and find some other hero.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
shyne, you are not argie, are you?
naw i'm mexican
Manu already has 2 championships Jelly, I know glory is fleeting but Manu is already the most accomplished international player in history wouldn't you say? I don't think a few bad seasons is going to do too much to detract from his fan base. Still, its all IF's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
I have already made the point that Shyne (and you apparently) are seeing Manu through rose-colored glasses. He did not play that well in all the finals games. He had two very bad ones if I recall. So by "IF he keeps playing like he has been" do you mean "inconsistently"? Because THAT will not secure that "most popular ever" spot you seem to think he is all but guaranteed.
I think you are simply being pedantic and looking for an argument.
That's a technicality. He has two rings. Manu has said himself that he did not contribute much to the first championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
If I recall one of those games he was hurt. The other ya he sucked ass but he was playing a dam good defense. Tim didnt exactly light it up the whole series either
Jesus Jelly, what's your problem? have you not read the other posts I've written?? Did I ever say he was BETTER than DRob or Timmy?? NO I even went to great lenghts to explain that Manu's popularity with bandwagon fans has more to do with where he comes from and how he plays than how good he is. Furthermore I agreed with you that IF he did not continue to play the way he's been playing (which I strongly disagree with you that he had a bad finals, and I think you're just trying to win the argument by saying anything that comes to your mind) that he would not be as famous. You can resite ALL the IFs you want sister ( if he dies in a car crash, if he gets cancer, if he gets shot, etc) but barring a horrible injury I think Manu is going to have a very illustrious career with the Spurs ending in him becoming the Spur with the most fans worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
Neither did David, but would you say David only had one championship?? Last time I checked the Spurs were a team, when the TEAM wins the championship, EVERYONE WINS THE CHAMPIONSHIP!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
so how do we really MEASURE one's popularity, genious?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiFtY
Because to me the All-Star votations is more of a popularity contest than a skill contest. Why do you think VC topped 3 yrs in a row yrs ago, is he more skilled than KG or TD?
enlighten me on this..will ya? :rolleyes
okay let's forget the All-Star for now.
Thank God.Quote:
Originally Posted by shyne
Otherwise, we'd had Sparky here in no time claiming that Argies view Manu as the second comming, that he can beat Spiderman, the Fantastic 4, Bugs Bunny and Droopy with one hand tied behind his back, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah
He can lol
Although you are right, fans are fickle, your assumption seems farfetched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jelly
Manu is not 34 yrs old. He has shown improvement every year. If he is not injured, chances are he will have a good season.
For someone living outside of America, David Robinson was the reason i became a Spurs Fan, and to me will always be the most popular.
However, it is all probably based on when you became a Spurs fan, or a fan in general. For people joining now, David Robinson would merely be a 'Huh, whos that?' - TD, TP and Manu would be the most popular. In 50 years time, it will most likely be someone else who is the most popular. Ice, DRob, TD, TP, Manu will probably be forgotten for this 'new stud player'... a case of 'what have you done for me lately'.
So, sure - now Manu might be the most popular (which is probably fine with Timmy, less focus on him) - but down the line... will he? Probably not.
first of all, I'm not your sister.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
secondly, you're just looking for a fight and I'm not going in circles with you, especially since you have obviously not bothered to read my posts clearly. I maintain that the whole premise of this question- and your argument in particular- is ridiculous, for reasons I've already given.
I agree with you, Manu is not going to be the most popular FOREVER. Eventually someone is going to come along and dethrone him. Although I don't think DRob was ever as popular world wide as Manu is right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DieMrBond
I love them all Tim, David , and Manu. But Manu makes me jump outta my seat, and every game I say wow like 10 times. He has that killer instinct that Jordan had and I love it!
I'LL REPEAT...DAVID HAS 14 F*CKING ILLUSTRIOUS YEARS WITH THE SPURS AND HE IS STILL AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
Hes not bashing Dave dumbass, he knows dave was better than Manu so chill out.