Will Manu go down as the most popular spur ever?

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Originally Posted by orhe

hmmm
let me see
from my circle of friends
Manu is more popular... more guys like his style of play.
heck a lot of my friends thought Manu was "the man" in the finals... now they weren't spurs fans...

so im guessing (assuming) that if you weren't a spur fan and you saw the finals you'd like Manu's game than tims (specially on how disappointing TDs playoffs ((FINALS GAME 5 CHOKE JOB) were on 2 gimpy ankles).

if manu continues this level of play... he'll easily be worldwide the most popular spur player ever

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Looks like shyne might have a point after all . . .

"I really don't understand how it is that difficult to comprehend why Manu has more fans outside of the US than any other Spur in history."

currently he does have a larger world-wide fan base then the other Spurs. But the question is "WILL MANU GO DOWN AS THE MOST POPULAR SPUR EVER". The question is not "who is the most popular now"!
A certain longevity test is required here. The thread starter is asking us to look into the future to answer this question and it is WAY to soon to even suggest that Manu, whose popularity has only soared in recent months, and who has only even been on the team for 2 years, would "go down" as the "most popular Spur ever". The question is simply ridiculous! David Robinson's entire career was with the Spurs. Manu is at the beginning of his NBA career. Manu has not passed the test of time. Whose to say that he won't start sucking in two years and then he'll be hated by everyone? Whose to say he will even be a Spur for more than another year? He may end up spending the bulk of his career with the Celtics for all we know, and if that happens, then twenty years from now, when we're debating who the most popular Spur was, Ginobili's name might not even enter the conversation!
David Robinson had a stellar career and was a Spur for 14 YEARS, maintaining enormous popularity through out!!!! To even attempt to draw a comparison between that and someone who is just very popular now is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

"I really don't understand how it is that difficult to comprehend why Manu has more fans outside of the US than any other Spur in history."

currently he does have a larger world-wide fan base then the other Spurs. But the question is "WILL MANU GO DOWN AS THE MOST POPULAR SPUR EVER". The question is not "who is the most popular now"!
A certain longevity test is required here. The thread starter is asking us to look into the future to answer this question and it is WAY to soon to even suggest that Manu, whose popularity has only soared in recent months, and who has only even been on the team for 2 years, would "go down" as the "most popular Spur ever". The question is simply ridiculous! David Robinson's entire career was with the Spurs. Manu is at the beginning of his NBA career. Manu has not passed the test of time. Whose to say that he won't start sucking in two years and then he'll be hated by everyone? Whose to say he will even be a Spur for more than another year? He may end up spending the bulk of his career with the Celtics for all we know, and if that happens, then twenty years from now, when we're debating who the most popular Spur was, Ginobili's name might not even enter the conversation!
David Robinson had a stellar career and was a Spur for 14 YEARS, maintaining enormous popularity through out!!!! To even attempt to draw a comparison between that and someone who is just very popular now is ridiculous.

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You clearly did not get what the thread starter meant. He/She specifically stated that IF he kept playing like he'd been playing then he'd end up being the most popular spurs ever.

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Originally Posted by shyne

I know you guys are loyal to Big Dave and so am I, but what i'm saying isnt out of the ordinary. Dave will always be Mr. Spur, but most "popular" will be Manu when his career is over especially he keeps playing the way he has been.

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Now I know these are just conjectures, and noone can really tell whats going to happen, but logically IF he remains a Spur, and IF he keeps playing like he's been playing he'll end up the most popular Spur in history.

If Manu gets traded Pop better hire an army cause this city will kill him.

Also, what if Manu's performance doesn't hold up over time and the Argentine/Latin American fan base starts shifting its allegiance to another player like Delfino. What if, in two years or so, we have 10 more latin american players...all doing fairly well. You don't think Manu's fan base will dissipate a little...or even A LOT depending on how good the others are?

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Originally Posted by shyne

If Manu gets traded Pop better hire an army cause this city will kill him.

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fans are fickle, Shyne. If Manu does a bad job next year, they'll turn on him and find some other hero.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Now I know these are just conjectures, and noone can really tell whats going to happen, but logically IF he remains a Spur, and IF he keeps playing like he's been playing he'll end up the most popular Spur in history.

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shyne, you are not argie, are you?

naw i'm mexican

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Originally Posted by Jelly

fans are fickle, Shyne. If Manu does a bad job next year, they'll turn on him and find some other hero.

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Manu already has 2 championships Jelly, I know glory is fleeting but Manu is already the most accomplished international player in history wouldn't you say? I don't think a few bad seasons is going to do too much to detract from his fan base. Still, its all IF's.

I have already made the point that Shyne (and you apparently) are seeing Manu through rose-colored glasses. He did not play that well in all the finals games. He had two very bad ones if I recall. So by "IF he keeps playing like he has been" do you mean "inconsistently"? Because THAT will not secure that "most popular ever" spot you seem to think he is all but guaranteed.

I think you are simply being pedantic and looking for an argument.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Manu already has 2 championships Jelly, I know glory is fleeting but Manu is already the most accomplished international player in history wouldn't you say? I don't think a few bad seasons is going to do too much to detract from his fan base. Still, its all IF's.

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That's a technicality. He has two rings. Manu has said himself that he did not contribute much to the first championship.

If I recall one of those games he was hurt. The other ya he sucked ass but he was playing a dam good defense. Tim didnt exactly light it up the whole series either

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Originally Posted by Jelly

I have already made the point that Shyne (and you apparently) are seeing Manu through rose-colored glasses. He did not play that well in all the finals games. He had two very bad ones if I recall. So by "IF he keeps playing like he has been" do you mean "inconsistently"? Because THAT will not secure that "most popular ever" spot you seem to think he is all but guaranteed.

I think you are simply being pedantic and looking for an argument.

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Jesus Jelly, what's your problem? have you not read the other posts I've written?? Did I ever say he was BETTER than DRob or Timmy?? NO I even went to great lenghts to explain that Manu's popularity with bandwagon fans has more to do with where he comes from and how he plays than how good he is. Furthermore I agreed with you that IF he did not continue to play the way he's been playing (which I strongly disagree with you that he had a bad finals, and I think you're just trying to win the argument by saying anything that comes to your mind) that he would not be as famous. You can resite ALL the IFs you want sister ( if he dies in a car crash, if he gets cancer, if he gets shot, etc) but barring a horrible injury I think Manu is going to have a very illustrious career with the Spurs ending in him becoming the Spur with the most fans worldwide.

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Originally Posted by Jelly

That's a technicality. He has two rings. Manu has said himself that he did not contribute much to the first championship.

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Neither did David, but would you say David only had one championship?? Last time I checked the Spurs were a team, when the TEAM wins the championship, EVERYONE WINS THE CHAMPIONSHIP!

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Originally Posted by ShiFtY

milky way you dont get it...

What Shyne is trying to say is POPULARITY not SKILL smartass..

Of course TD will get more All-Star votes than Manu, simply because TD is better than Manu!

Popularity and Skill is diff... geez people

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so how do we really MEASURE one's popularity, genious?

Because to me the All-Star votations is more of a popularity contest than a skill contest. Why do you think VC topped 3 yrs in a row yrs ago, is he more skilled than KG or TD?

enlighten me on this..will ya? :rolleyes

okay let's forget the All-Star for now.

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Originally Posted by shyne

naw i'm mexican

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Thank God.

Otherwise, we'd had Sparky here in no time claiming that Argies view Manu as the second comming, that he can beat Spiderman, the Fantastic 4, Bugs Bunny and Droopy with one hand tied behind his back, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah

He can lol

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Originally Posted by Jelly

fans are fickle, Shyne. If Manu does a bad job next year, they'll turn on him and find some other hero.

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Although you are right, fans are fickle, your assumption seems farfetched.

Manu is not 34 yrs old. He has shown improvement every year. If he is not injured, chances are he will have a good season.

For someone living outside of America, David Robinson was the reason i became a Spurs Fan, and to me will always be the most popular.

However, it is all probably based on when you became a Spurs fan, or a fan in general. For people joining now, David Robinson would merely be a 'Huh, whos that?' - TD, TP and Manu would be the most popular. In 50 years time, it will most likely be someone else who is the most popular. Ice, DRob, TD, TP, Manu will probably be forgotten for this 'new stud player'... a case of 'what have you done for me lately'.

So, sure - now Manu might be the most popular (which is probably fine with Timmy, less focus on him) - but down the line... will he? Probably not.

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Jesus Jelly, what's your problem? have you not read the other posts I've written?? Did I ever say he was BETTER than DRob or Timmy?? NO I even went to great lenghts to explain that Manu's popularity with bandwagon fans has more to do with where he comes from and how he plays than how good he is. Furthermore I agreed with you that IF he did not continue to play the way he's been playing (which I strongly disagree with you that he had a bad finals, and I think you're just trying to win the argument by saying anything that comes to your mind) that he would not be as famous. You can resite ALL the IFs you want sister ( if he dies in a car crash, if he gets cancer, if he gets shot, etc) but barring a horrible injury I think Manu is going to have a very illustrious career with the Spurs ending in him becoming the Spur with the most fans worldwide.

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first of all, I'm not your sister.
secondly, you're just looking for a fight and I'm not going in circles with you, especially since you have obviously not bothered to read my posts clearly. I maintain that the whole premise of this question- and your argument in particular- is ridiculous, for reasons I've already given.

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Originally Posted by DieMrBond

For someone living outside of America, David Robinson was the reason i became a Spurs Fan, and to me will always be the most popular.

However, it is all probably based on when you became a Spurs fan, or a fan in general. For people joining now, David Robinson would merely be a 'Huh, whos that?' - TD, TP and Manu would be the most popular. In 50 years time, it will most likely be someone else who is the most popular. Ice, DRob, TD, TP, Manu will probably be forgotten for this 'new stud player'... a case of 'what have you done for me lately'.

So, sure - now Manu might be the most popular (which is probably fine with Timmy, less focus on him) - but down the line... will he? Probably not.

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I agree with you, Manu is not going to be the most popular FOREVER. Eventually someone is going to come along and dethrone him. Although I don't think DRob was ever as popular world wide as Manu is right now.

I love them all Tim, David , and Manu. But Manu makes me jump outta my seat, and every game I say wow like 10 times. He has that killer instinct that Jordan had and I love it!

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Neither did David, but would you say David only had one championship?? Last time I checked the Spurs were a team, when the TEAM wins the championship, EVERYONE WINS THE CHAMPIONSHIP!

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I'LL REPEAT...DAVID HAS 14 F*CKING ILLUSTRIOUS YEARS WITH THE SPURS AND HE IS STILL AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

Hes not bashing Dave dumbass, he knows dave was better than Manu so chill out.