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The great champion of San Antonio Spurs arrived at his native city where he was awaited with great expectation. There he will continue with the program of Básquet Without Borders sponsored by the NBA. On the other hand, her family underwent a robbery this same dawn. The thieves took 50,000 pesos of the geriatrical one that the Ginóbili they have in Bay.
http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pag...?pagId=1007806
sad, but over here that's nothing
$50,000 were stolen yesterday of the geriatric of one of Manu's brothers.
True. I thought it was low of Bill Simmons to predict a kidnapping happening in Manu's family.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
What was taken? How much is 50,000 pesos?
They just don't realize how serious it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Very ignorant, indeed.
50,000 pesos is like 17,500 dollarsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tek_XX
I know his family doesnt want to leave their home, but if I was Manu i would seriously consider moving them over here at leasts till he retires, its not worth something tragic happening.
can't really force them though, and ultimately they want to stayQuote:
Originally Posted by shyne
ya i know but even they have to be worried about their safety and I know Manu is.
I'd hire some body guards that know Bruce Lee type fighting or equip the with lots of guns. Also some vicious attack dogs would be nice.
Its not Manus decision and its not one he would make for them. Sure Argentina is a troubled country but its a home, people don't want to leave there home.
I wouldnt want to leave my home either, but when your life is at risk everyday you have to do whats right for you and your family. The more famous he gets the worse its going to be.
On the one hand he shouldn't have to move, but knowing the security situation down there is about on par with Baghdad, he needs to either consider moving his family out of country or building a friggin' fortress for them down there.
wasn't there already an attempt at kidnapping one of his family? i didn't think it was low of simmons, it seems like a fact of life for celebrities down there - the risk doesn't go away.
Slight exaggeration forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
monumental exaggeration forum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Let's not overreact here. This had nothing to do with Manu being famous or rich and totally unrelated with that kidnapping plot.
Manu's family owns a retirement home, two guys broke into the building and took the money they had to pay the staff's salaries.
Yeah, and we all know no one has ever exaggerated to make a point. Some of you need to calm the fvck down.
The point remains the same. Manu is probably one of the single richest non-drug dealer in that country, you know he's a marked man.
I don't mean it as a slight to any of you Argentines, but let's face it - it's not exactly the safest place in the world down there for anyone with money.
Low blow forum :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
AHF please, stop showing us your ignorance :lol
Aggie serisouly stick to what you know! Manu is not even in the TOP 20 list of the richest people in Argentina. Guess what, most of the richest people in Argentina AREN"T DRUG DEALERS EITHER! We live here, we know how things are up in here, and its as bad as its advertised. Take our word for it, we know more than you in this subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
damn check out the vbucks on manumania!
That is lame. I hate people like that, this kid stole like 1k worth of my stuff and I found out who it was and beat tha fuck out of him. :)
Check out my vbucks
Okay, my bad. Manu is one of the single highest profile rich people in that country.
Fuck, quit taking everything as a personal insult to yourselves and admit the security situation sucks down there.
I mean, it's not like there wasn't already credible reports of a plot to kidnap his family last summer after he signed his 50+ million dollar contract or anything.
Welcome to South America. How about that Brazilian soccer star who gets picked up at the airport in Belo Horizonte, commences a live radio interview in the backseat of the car, and while on national radio, the car gets stopped by assailants and they all get robbed. All LIVE on the air in front of a national audience. Then when the bandits take off, the soccer guy says "excuse the commotion. We just got robbed. Now back to the interview."
:lmao
FYI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Security is as bad as Brazil or Mexico.
^Word. I've never had any problems whatosever in Brazil and I've been all over the place. Then again, I'm pretty cautious and wise to the ways of the world.
I'm pretty sure that whenver an american refers to the security situation "down there" they are refering to anything below the Mexican/American border.
Most people are aware that kidnappings for ransom are a gorwing problem in alot of South and Central American countries. Not just Argentina.
No one is saying Argentina is a dangerous shithole. So everyone let's just take a deep breath.
Nueva Laredo. now thats a dangerous shithole.
50,000 Peso=5,000 Dallars
Dollars
Argentina pesos ($17,500 usd), not Mexican pesos.Quote:
Originally Posted by johndraegerhhs
yeah! Manu's family should consider moving to the US (aka Happyland), the place where nothing goes wrong ladies an gentlemen!!! The least problem you could have is getting your kids killed by a psycho at school or getting yourself killed by another psycho at work. Not to mention the fact of living every single day thinking of the possibilty of having acts of terrorism at any given moment.
Please people, every country has it's own problems. Argentina is no hell and the US is no heaven either. Besides, didn't Malik got robbed lately in the US? Oh, then he should consider moving somewhere else with his family!!!
And to the guy who said that the only rich people in Arg where drug dealers, STOP SEEING TOO MANY MOVIES!!! You have the misconception that in every latin country people wander in the streets smokin pot with one hand and holding a rifle with the other one...typical yankee.
Malik got robbed by some workers that were inside the house and the guy only took his rings to impress his girlfriend. Malik was lucky enough to get them back, but I sure hope he's invested in a wall safe since then and didn't just stick the rings back in the entertainment center.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuLoco
Beyond the nursing home being owned my Manu's family, I think it sucks that someone would rip off a nursing home. In any country, that's just low.
:depressed. That's sad. I remember watching them interview Manu's grandmother during the halftime special in the Finals. She was so cute! And she was clearly so proud of Manu and what he has acheived and what he has come to mean to the country of Argentina.
Fuck those robbers, find those fuckers and kill em.
Security sucks ass in Argentina, and the cops don't give a fuck about the people, and neither does the fucking government.
I don't have 1 single relative that HASN'T been robbed or jumped in Argentina...and I know I already mentioned this but, my cousin works at a clothes store and had a gun held to her because, and she was forced to give the fucker all the money and then the fucker asked for a jacket, lmao.
You can get away with anything in Buenos Aires...It's bullshit.
...Is it just me or does Alvarez seem like a young T-Park in waiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
WTF is your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1Parker1
1Parker1, I already get the point that you dislike me, so what's new?
What are you trying to say?
I agree there. I think it's pretty much that way all over South America, but the relevant part of that part of the world with respect to this discussion is Manu's home country of Argentina.Quote:
Security is as bad as Brazil or Mexico.
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Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
:lol Alvarez, I don't dislike you! :angel
I was just referring to your extensive use of foul language...which is similiar to T-Park's posts.
Well I think that using foul language is appropriate when discussing killing another person...it fits in perfect.:lol
Nah, you're wrong there. The average US city is probably more dangerous than 90% of cities/towns in South America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
It's the very few large cities like Rio, Buenos Aires, etc that have the most crime. If you get out of those cities, it's less dangerous than average US city. But it's true crime is on the rise everywhere, what's new?
If I was Manu, I'll take some security steps in order to protect my family. But I wouldn't move.
Here we have some cases about rich soccer players relatives being kidnapped, so it's no so strange.
Hey, stupid ass, I'll respond to your incredibly senseless post since I speak from experience having lived on three continents, including six years in Brazil:Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuLoco
1. At least in America, kids not only can go to school, they must. And guess what? There are higher education opportunities for ALL kids in America, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. Regarding extremely random acts of school violence among the THOUSANDS of schools in America, how many shitty acts do you think go unnoticed in South American schools yet simply go unreported either due to a lack of transparency or accessibility by the media? Wake the fuck up, don't even try to compare South American educational systems to that of the United States.
2. Acts of terrorism? Idiot, 9-11 happened and its over. It was a sick fluke. America is much more secure than any South American country will EVER be. Do you think that living in fear of kiddnapping is not living in fear of terrorism? Are you that fucking stupid? I have two friends, an acquaintance and the brother of my wife's brother-in-law who have been kidnapped in Brazil. In the case of the latter, the guy was held in a fucking doghouse during the blistering Mato Gross summer heat for 100 days and lost around half his weight. Don't be talking about terrorism coming from South America, jack!
3. Malik had his house broken into by petty thieves. What is much more common in South America are armed bandits breaking into houses for drug money, food money, any money, ready to kidnap and kill to get a few bucks.
In summary, don't bring that hollow pride, fake, ignorant bullshit around here, kid. Crime happens below the Equator just as it does above it.
And just to be fair, a big "fuck you" to any ignorant Americans who pile on these types of threads just to pile on and insult people from other countries. And an even heartier "fuck you" to envious people who know nothing about America, its history, its people, its generosity and what it stands for, yet want to shit on America out of their own insecurities and failures. Most of all, America is infinitely "safer" than any South American country will ever be as a whole, and that is something not even worth attempting to debate. It does not mean that America is "better". That is a matter of personal opinion. But from a law enforcement perspective, the U.S. is just safer. Now, if the U.S. continues deficit spending and goes bankrupt and there's social chaos, okay, maybe the equation changes. But if things continue as they are today, its just a fact.
Regardless, wherever one lives, exercise precautions when dealing with strangers and look both fucking ways before crossing the street.
Have a nice day! :hat
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I've also lived in many different countries. Can I ask what other South American countries besides Brazil you have lived in?Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
You want to me get kidnapp reports from the US? How about just Texas? how about San Antonio?? don't tell no one gets kidnapped in the US? Would you say the US is a dangerous place for rich people?? Yes, there are kidnapings in Argentina, yes there are robberies, and yes there are murders, but not more so than most countries. I wasn't taking anything as an insult man, I was merely correcting you. Now if you want to choose not to believe me, someone who knows more about what happens in Argentina than you ever will, then that is you choice. I would never presume to argue with you about anything related to San Antonio, because obviously you know more about it than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Grande David...Why do u live outside the States then? I wouldn't ever leave perfection behind...
PS: Who in the fuck envy you??? I know I don't :)
Does anyone know if his parents moved into a new home or still live in the same old house as before? Cause i saw that halftime thing about his neighborhood? And it looked like it was a bad place to live.
Out of the countries I've lived in, I have to say: Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay on average are safer than average US place, crimewise.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela(getting there) are the most dangerous countries. But then again, get out of the large cities there and it's a lot safer. Actually Colombia is the only country I can think of, that is dangerous all over the place, but then again I never lived there so I might be wrong.
You're wrong, and I don't know where your relatives live but I've got most of my relatives here and NOT ONE ever got mugged!? Now I wouldn't call Buenos Aires safe, but its definately not as bad as you make it out to be. Have you ever lived here? and if so, what part of Buenos AIres did you live in?Quote:
Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6
Wouldn't that be YOU!?? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Put down the xenophobic glasses. Damn this place is sucking more and more...
^I've lived in Brazil but have visited other countries. And when I speak of safety, I look at a country's ability to defend itself from external and internal threats. Not just suicide bombers or other attacks, but internal crimes. In general, somebody commits a crime in America and gets caught, his ass is grass.
By the way I edited "trillions" to "infinite". In ANY country you are always going to have safety zones. It may be a gated community in Santiago or even Chavez-administered Venezuela. But as a whole society, America may be so free as to allow some of the freaks to rampage and kill, but as a whole, you don't have so many starving crackheads looking to break into your home every single day. You don't have so many thieves and "quadrillas" staking out your business for the next kidnapping.
Where else have you lived?
I'm not xenophobic. On the contrary, I'm very welcoming to foreigners. I live in Brazil, and love it, and also have a home in my native San Antonio. At least twice per year friends from Europe and South America stay in my home in San Antonio. I was personally going off on that one message by that one guy that really pissed me off, and that's really not like me. Maybe I should've kept it private, and sorry for offending others. But I did not buy into those lame analogies.
I live and always will live where I've chosen: my country, my land, my home.
I visit Brazil a lot for biz. Have u lived in Argentina??? U can't compare Brazil to Argentina security wise.
It shows ...Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
U speak lightly of things u don't know about my country.
:lmao :lmao IF CAUGHT, that is your keyword in general people get away with crimes here in US.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Bullshit again. I absolutely know for a fact that 99% of South American citizens don't live scared of starving crackheads breaking into their houses.Quote:
By the way I edited "trillions" to "infinite". In ANY country you are always going to have safety zones. It may be a gated community in Santiago or even Chavez-administered Venezuela. But as a whole society, America may be so free as to allow some of the freaks to rampage and kill, but as a whole, you don't have so many starving crackheads looking to break into your home every single day. You don't have so many thieves and "quadrillas" staking out your business for the next kidnapping.
So you've only lived in Brazil. Beleive me, Brazil is a whole other world compared to other countries in South America. Your experience extendends only to Brazil.
Also, I speak FROM EXPERIENCE. Hey, if I didn't like South America, in my case Brazil, I would not be living down here. I would seek other business opportunities. Truth is, I respect all countries and don't say that one is "better" than the other. But I just don't think one can sensibly compare individual safety in the U.S. versus developing countries. That's just stupid. Its possible that I could be kidnapped in Texas, sure. But its much more likely that it would happen below the Equator. That's just a statistical fact.
So people don't need to be insulting Americans, making references to terrorism and other bullshit.
Grandedavid...next time u speak shit about Brazil among Brazilians...call me. It would be a nice experience for me at least. I seriously doubt it'd be nice for u.
WAY WAY WAY OFF!! I lived in Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Peru and Argentina, and the safest is Chile right now because of their economic situation. Venezuela is a mess, Caracas has on average 50 murders EVERY week!! and I mean murders like shot, stabbed, etc.. and this is for a city of about 4 million! Thats about the same as Colombia when the civil war was at its peek! There's absolutely no way you can compare Colombia and Venezuela with Brazil and Argentina, not even close! Brazil and Argentina only recently have began to experience excesive amounts of crime. For example, did you know that in 2000 Argentina was the second country with less murders a year? That's changed a lot since then, but its still not as insecure as everyone seems to think. I agree that the US is safer than most of Latin America, barrin maybe Chile and Mexico, but all I'm saying is Americans tend to think ALL of South America is a breeding ground for drugs, lack of education, and an overall war zone, and that is simply not true!Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
why can't this be compared?? why is it stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Maybe because you are an American citizen, true. But we're talking about security for everyone, not just americans.Quote:
Its possible that I could be kidnapped in Texas, sure. But its much more likely that it would happen below the Equator. That's just a statistical fact.
referrencing to terrorism is an insult??? since when??Quote:
So people don't need to be insulting Americans, making references to terrorism and other bullshit.
So speaking of security concerns in the United States is insulting its inhabitants but speaking of security in Argentina is granted because you live in Brazil. Awesome.
1. Law is much more transparent in the U.S. AS A WHOLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
2. Bullshit your self, man. If I did state "99.9%" than that figure should certainly be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto for the "crackhead" reference. My point is that its harder to make ends meet in countries with low GDP's per capita, and its been well-documented that South American societies suffer profoundly from skewed incomes. Hopefully that will change for the better over the long haul. I am a proponent of free trade, and I think that's a long term positive course, but that's another topic altogether.
3. Brazil is a whole other world? Culturally, sure. And my experience extends beyond Brazil. But now I'm curious to know where you have lived.
Right on target! :spinQuote:
Originally Posted by hendrix
1. Law is much more transparent in the U.S. AS A WHOLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
2. Bullshit your self, man. If I did state "99.9%" than that figure should certainly be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto for the "crackhead" reference. My point is that its harder to make ends meet in countries with low GDP's per capita, and its been well-documented that South American societies suffer profoundly from skewed incomes. Hopefully that will change for the better over the long haul. I am a proponent of free trade, and I think that's a long term positive course, but that's another topic altogether.
3. Brazil is a whole other world? Culturally, sure. And my experience extends beyond Brazil. But now I'm curious to know where you have lived.
Finally, I used "South America" in a generic sense so as not to directly reference a specific country, although I have done so with Brazil. I guess I'm an authority on Brazil since nkdlunch has granted me that license. :hat
my point was that right now, those 4 countries(Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina) are the most dangerous in SA. How is that way off???Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
You really can't make an assumption on the whole of Latin America because you happen to have lived in Brazil. Latin AMerica isn't one entity, security concerns varie with every country. You made a generalization that although it may have been correct, it was for all the wrong reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
I guess you live there to get benefits from the low incomes, right? You're traveling around the globe looking for "better" opportunities and exploitating people. Yeah... I thought so... you really like Brazil... those damn South-americans really work for a dime.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
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Originally Posted by hendrix
That comment makes no sense whatsoever. I never ever ever EVER mentioned Argentina. What I did do was mention "South America", hence "developing countries" based on MY EXPERIENCE. Obviously I'm aware that there are pros and cons and similarities and differences among nations. But really, you need not get offended. I think Argentina is a fabulous country. In this specific thread, I did not like that one post wonder person mocking 9/11 and indirectly referencing school violence acts like Columbine as if they are the norm in America.
Talk abou xenophobia! Good grief!
Settle down, folks. If anybody loves international brotherhood and bonding, its me. But if you look at threats to one's individual security, America is safer in that regard. I'm not saying that "America is better than other countries". I am just stating a fact.
To clarify my original tone:
I WAS PISSED OFF AT THE SMART ASS MOCKING OF TERRORIST THREATS AND SCHOOL VIOLENCE IN AMERICA. TO ME, THOSE ARE NOT DESERVING SUBJECTS OR WORTHY OF SARCASM.
Because its simply not true, Peru has as a high a kidnapping risk as either Brazil or Argentina. I know because I lived there. Bolivia is right there also. I'd say Colombia and Venezuela are on top as the most dangerous, then maybe Peru, Paraguay, Ecuador, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia and then Chile. However, they are all preety close except for the extremes like Venezuela, Colombia and Chile.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
Again, you are talking directly out of your ass with utterly no substance whatsoever. I won't even address this other than to say that if I knew you, you'd disappoint me.Quote:
Originally Posted by hendrix
But I will say this- I am HELPING people. Again, you do not know my profession or anything about me. I'd suggest you either take a nap or enlighten yourself with a good history book.
We are talking about crime in general. Not only kidnappings.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
Settle down!! now you're just insulting people, not arguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hendrix
I know, so was I, I just put kidnappings as an exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
As opposed to your polite comments about fear of starving crackheads coming into your house :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
Is this really what happens around this forum during the off-season?
:rolleyes
Sorry to interrupt this battle, but ... you have a wife?Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Athenea, I am in Brazil right now! I simply echo the sentiments of my fellow Brazilians!! All I hear day in and day out is bitching and moaning about everything from Lula to CRIME. And if you are Argentinian, I think I'd have to ask the Brazilians to warm up to you and give you a chance...although, political malcontent toward Argentina is temporarily better now that Brazil won 4-1 over Argentina in that soccer tournament in Germany recently. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Athenea
As much as I pay in taxes in Brazil, as many friends as I have down here, including family, I will say whatever I want about Brazil, and I would NEVER badmouth such a beautiful country. Nor did I badmouth your land, either. I simply spoke the facts. Deal with it.
Finally, if you only knew how I get after ignorant Americans toward other countries!
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
This quote has turned into a "political forum" thing LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by spurschick
Oh, I always thought you were a sex-crazed playboy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Okay, back to the battle. :)
You do make a valid point. In this case I speak for Brazil. Like America, Brazil is a consumer market. I guess its the Andean nations, the "safe havens" who are the producers. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
You didn't speak facts! facts from where?? you know Brazil, and you extrapolate what you know about one country into an argument about the security of Latin America as a whole? thats not facts my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
:lol with a name like Grande David, I thought u were a pornstar :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
j/k
http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
I didn't intend for this to be a battle, I was just responding to a troll. Unfortunately I spoke too soon and have offended some folks, which obviously was not my intention. Some subjects just get me fired up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
My 2 cents.
1) Manu's familiy isn't going anywhere and people in SA should not be concearned about their well being.
2) The major cities in the US are safer than Buenos Aires, Caracas, Bogotá, Medellin, Rio and Sao Paulo. If anybody disagrees, please let me know why.
3) Lets not always make these threads a US vs Argentina thing. I'm guilty of this too.
It's okay. The battle is good in the offseason. It's better than the 9 million "Let's trade Rasho for crap" threads :)Quote:
I didn't intend for this to be a battle, I was just responding to a troll.
I think you do have a valid point in there somewhere, its just that your outburst because of some dumb poster who happened to relate terrorism with everyday crime didn't show you in the best of lights http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smispin.gif but I think you're right, most US cities are safer than most latin american cities. ALthough I still think people have the wrong idea about latin american every day life.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
A MESSAGE TO ALL ARGENTINIANS-
1. I APOLOGIZE FOR OFFENDING ANY OF YOU WITH MY HEATED DIATRIBE ABOUT SAFETY IN SOUTH AMERICA, AS A WHOLE. BUT NOT ONCE DID I MENTION "ARGENTINA". NOT EVER. IN FACT, I HAVE SOME GOOD ARGENTINIAN FRIENDS IN BOTH THE U.S. AND BRAZIL. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO VISITING ARGENTINA SOMEDAY SOON AND HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT IS A WONDERFUL COUNTRY.
2. FROM THE BEGINNING, I DEFINITELY SHOULD'VE AVOIDED TRYING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT. I OBVIOUSLY UNWILLINGLY BECAME MORE POLITICALLY INCORRECT BY MAKING A GROSS GENERALIZATION ABOUT "SOUTH AMERICA". I SHOULD'VE IMMEDIATELY CLARIFIED THAT I SPEAK FROM A "BRAZILIAN" POINT OF VIEW.
3. I AM AN AMERICAN, BUT I ALSO RESIDE TEMPORARILY IN BRAZIL, WHERE I HAVE PERMANENT RESIDENCY. I AM DOWN HERE NOT NECESSARILY BY CHOICE, BUT BECAUSE MY WIFE IS A DOCTOR DOWN HERE WITH A SUCCESSFUL PRACTICE. I SPEND HALF THE YEAR IN BRAZIL, HALF IN AMERICA. IT WORKS. BUT I KNOW BRAZIL INSIDE AND OUT AND MOST OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS AND BUSINESS ASSOCIATES ARE DOWN HERE. I LOVE BRAZIL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTRY IN WHICH ONE CAN FRANKLY DISCUSS PROBLEMS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. I AM AN EXPORT CONSULTANT FOR, AMONG OTHER PRIVATE ENTITIES, THE BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT. IN MY LINE OF WORK AND ALSO BEING INVOLVED IN TWO MAJOR CHARITIES FOR UNDERPRIVELEGED CHILDREN IN BRAZIL, I KNOW THE PROS AND CONS OF LIVING DOWN HERE. THE PROS FAR OUTWEIGH THE CONS, BUT AMONG THE CONS, PERSONAL "SAFETY" ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IS THE BIG ONE. NO, YOU DON'T LIVE YOUR LIFE THINKING SOMEBODY IS GOING TO ASSAULT YOU. BUT IT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHEN YOU WALK AT NIGHT, PULL INTO YOUR GARAGE, WHEN YOU GO MOUNTAIN BIKING WITH SOME FRIENDS AND HAVE TO HAUL ASS BACK TO THE CITY AT DUSK SO THAT YOU WON'T POSSIBLY GET ROBBED ON THE CITY PERIPHERY. THAT'S JUST REALITY, NOT AN INSULT TO ONE'S NATIONAL IDENTITY.
Again, sorry for offending anyone! Now you guys know me and my angle on things.
Hmmm I don't think u could criticize Brazil the way u r doing here live...Even if u live and have family there. Brazilians are way more nationalist than any other ppl except from Americans. They have a huge country and live their lives intra muros.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
U can't even say "Maradona>Pelé" without getting "unhappy" looks directed at u.
And Americans r having a tough time with these new reciprocity policies (I see it all the time at airports).
I sure think u can hear Brazilians bitch and moan about their country but I seriouly doubt they'll accept happily whatever a foreigner like u could say about their land :)
LOL! I love this guy! hahaha no need for an apology my friend, everyone has an off day. Personally I didn't think you offended anyone that bad as to need to make such an apology, but then again I could be wrong. Either way, I share your sentiments, I too have awesome Brazilian friends, they are the most upbeat people I know! Its just a joy to be around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid
Athenea, think what you will, but if I may, I'd like to give my take on your latest comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athenea
1. Um, yes I would and do discuss openly social issues in Brazil, especially since I'm directly involved in trying to humbly pull my weight in IMPROVING them.
2. You fail to realize that I am not some American tourist down here. I live here. I breathe here. I give blood, sweat and tears here. I am respected down here. I speak Portuguese as fluently and with as Brazilian an accent as I do American English.
3.And if/when, which is very rare, somebody in Brazil does/were to say something rambling and lacking in substance about American society, I would check his ass. JUST AS I'D DO TO AN AMERICAN CRACKING ON BRAZIL OR ARGENTINA JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING SO. The original post I attacked did just that. Then people like you chimed in, wanting to barrel your chest out in defense of something which does not exists- animosity toward your country. At least with me it does not.
4. Obviously you know nothing whatsoever about American-Brazilian relations based on the comment you just made. Perhaps you should stick to YOUR own knowledge arena, whatever that may be.
5. Regarding the "Maradona>Pele" comment you made, that has to do with soccer. I am too kind of a person to talk such yang about other countries' icons in the first place. But for the record, and you know this, the greatest soccer player of all time is Pele. ;)
Jesus you defeated me ... I lived only in ARG, BRA :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA
What do you do?
CHile yeah ... it is the safest place ... ARG well you know after crisis the things went down, BRA I lived I was worried, but never happened sth to me ...
I'm going to Santiago in October after I get back from the U.S. Should have some very nice running weather for me that time of year! :)
By the way, I'm finally getting my post count up! Guess I'm no longer a "Pass-First Guard". :lol
man... and I had such high hopes for you! http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gifLOL you were doing fine up until that whole "pele is the greatest" thing. Correct if I'm wrong but didn't FIFA give Pele AND Maradona the title of greatest players in history? Either way it boils down to preference. Personally I think Maradona was better, but I'm biased! http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smispin.gif This is a friendly comment, not to be misconstruded as the beginning of yet another long ass discussion! http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/s...idepressed.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by GrandeDavid