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07-05-2005
nkdlunch

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

Hey, stupid ass, I'll respond to your incredibly senseless post since I speak from experience having lived on three continents, including six years in South America:

1. At least in America, kids not only can go to school, they must. And guess what? There are higher education opportunities for ALL kids in America, regardless of race or socioeconomic background. Regarding extremely random acts of school violence among the THOUSANDS of schools in America, how many shitty acts do you think go unnoticed in South American schools yet simply go unreported either due to a lack of transparency or accessibility by the media? Wake the fuck up, don't even try to compare South American educational systems to that of the United States.

2. Acts of terrorism? Idiot, 9-11 happened and its over. It was a sick fluke. America is much more secure than any South American country will EVER be. Do you think that living in fear of kiddnapping is not living in fear of terrorism? Are you that fucking stupid? I have two friends, an acquaintance and the brother of my wife's brother-in-law who have been kidnapped in Brazil. In the case of the latter, the guy was held in a fucking doghouse during the blistering Mato Gross summer heat for 100 days and lost around half his weight. Don't be talking about terrorism coming from South America, jack!

3. Malik had his house broken into by petty thieves. What is much more common in South America are armed bandits breaking into houses for drug money, food money, any money, ready to kidnap and kill to get a few bucks.

In summary, don't bring that hollow pride, fake, ignorant bullshit around here, kid.

And just to be fair, a big "fuck you" to any ignorant Americans who pile on these types of threads just to pile on and insult people from other countries. And an even heartier "fuck you" to envious foreigners who know nothing about America, its history, its people, its generosity and what it stands for, yet want to shit on America out of their own insecurities and failures. Most of all, America is infinitely "safer" than any South American country will ever be as a whole, and that is something not even worth attempting to debate. Regardless, wherever one lives, exercise precautions when dealing with strangers and look both fucking ways before crossing the street.

Have a nice day! :hat

Out of the countries I've lived in, I have to say: Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay on average are safer than average US place, crimewise.

Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela(getting there) are the most dangerous countries. But then again, get out of the large cities there and it's a lot safer. Actually Colombia is the only country I can think of, that is dangerous all over the place, but then again I never lived there so I might be wrong.
07-05-2005
MaNuMaNiAc

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by ALVAREZ6

Security sucks ass in Argentina, and the cops don't give a fuck about the people, and neither does the fucking government.

I don't have 1 single relative that HASN'T been robbed or jumped in Argentina...and I know I already mentioned this but, my cousin works at a clothes store and had a gun held to her because, and she was forced to give the fucker all the money and then the fucker asked for a jacket, lmao.

You can get away with anything in Buenos Aires...It's bullshit.

You're wrong, and I don't know where your relatives live but I've got most of my relatives here and NOT ONE ever got mugged!? Now I wouldn't call Buenos Aires safe, but its definately not as bad as you make it out to be. Have you ever lived here? and if so, what part of Buenos AIres did you live in?
07-05-2005
hendrix

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

I have two friends, an acquaintance and the brother of my wife's brother-in-law who have been kidnapped in Brazil.

Wouldn't that be YOU!?? :lol
07-05-2005
Athenea

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Put down the xenophobic glasses. Damn this place is sucking more and more...
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

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^I've lived in Brazil but have visited other countries. And when I speak of safety, I look at a country's ability to defend itself from external and internal threats. Not just suicide bombers or other attacks, but internal crimes. In general, somebody commits a crime in America and gets caught, his ass is grass.

By the way I edited "trillions" to "infinite". In ANY country you are always going to have safety zones. It may be a gated community in Santiago or even Chavez-administered Venezuela. But as a whole society, America may be so free as to allow some of the freaks to rampage and kill, but as a whole, you don't have so many starving crackheads looking to break into your home every single day. You don't have so many thieves and "quadrillas" staking out your business for the next kidnapping.

Where else have you lived?
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

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I'm not xenophobic. On the contrary, I'm very welcoming to foreigners. I live in Brazil, and love it, and also have a home in my native San Antonio. At least twice per year friends from Europe and South America stay in my home in San Antonio. I was personally going off on that one message by that one guy that really pissed me off, and that's really not like me. Maybe I should've kept it private, and sorry for offending others. But I did not buy into those lame analogies.
07-05-2005
Athenea

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I live and always will live where I've chosen: my country, my land, my home.
I visit Brazil a lot for biz. Have u lived in Argentina??? U can't compare Brazil to Argentina security wise.
07-05-2005
Athenea

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

I'm not xenophobic. On the contrary, I'm very welcoming to foreigners.

It shows ...
U speak lightly of things u don't know about my country.
07-05-2005
nkdlunch

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

In general, somebody commits a crime in America and gets caught, his ass is grass.

:lmao :lmao IF CAUGHT, that is your keyword in general people get away with crimes here in US.

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By the way I edited "trillions" to "infinite". In ANY country you are always going to have safety zones. It may be a gated community in Santiago or even Chavez-administered Venezuela. But as a whole society, America may be so free as to allow some of the freaks to rampage and kill, but as a whole, you don't have so many starving crackheads looking to break into your home every single day. You don't have so many thieves and "quadrillas" staking out your business for the next kidnapping.

Bullshit again. I absolutely know for a fact that 99% of South American citizens don't live scared of starving crackheads breaking into their houses.

So you've only lived in Brazil. Beleive me, Brazil is a whole other world compared to other countries in South America. Your experience extendends only to Brazil.
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

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Also, I speak FROM EXPERIENCE. Hey, if I didn't like South America, in my case Brazil, I would not be living down here. I would seek other business opportunities. Truth is, I respect all countries and don't say that one is "better" than the other. But I just don't think one can sensibly compare individual safety in the U.S. versus developing countries. That's just stupid. Its possible that I could be kidnapped in Texas, sure. But its much more likely that it would happen below the Equator. That's just a statistical fact.

So people don't need to be insulting Americans, making references to terrorism and other bullshit.
07-05-2005
Athenea

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Grandedavid...next time u speak shit about Brazil among Brazilians...call me. It would be a nice experience for me at least. I seriously doubt it'd be nice for u.
07-05-2005
MaNuMaNiAc

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

Out of the countries I've lived in, I have to say: Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay on average are safer than average US place, crimewise.

Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela(getting there) are the most dangerous countries. But then again, get out of the large cities there and it's a lot safer. Actually Colombia is the only country I can think of, that is dangerous all over the place, but then again I never lived there so I might be wrong.

WAY WAY WAY OFF!! I lived in Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Peru and Argentina, and the safest is Chile right now because of their economic situation. Venezuela is a mess, Caracas has on average 50 murders EVERY week!! and I mean murders like shot, stabbed, etc.. and this is for a city of about 4 million! Thats about the same as Colombia when the civil war was at its peek! There's absolutely no way you can compare Colombia and Venezuela with Brazil and Argentina, not even close! Brazil and Argentina only recently have began to experience excesive amounts of crime. For example, did you know that in 2000 Argentina was the second country with less murders a year? That's changed a lot since then, but its still not as insecure as everyone seems to think. I agree that the US is safer than most of Latin America, barrin maybe Chile and Mexico, but all I'm saying is Americans tend to think ALL of South America is a breeding ground for drugs, lack of education, and an overall war zone, and that is simply not true!
07-05-2005
nkdlunch

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

But I just don't think one can sensibly compare individual safety in the U.S. versus developing countries. That's just stupid.

why can't this be compared?? why is it stupid?

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Its possible that I could be kidnapped in Texas, sure. But its much more likely that it would happen below the Equator. That's just a statistical fact.

Maybe because you are an American citizen, true. But we're talking about security for everyone, not just americans.

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So people don't need to be insulting Americans, making references to terrorism and other bullshit.

referrencing to terrorism is an insult??? since when??
07-05-2005
hendrix

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So speaking of security concerns in the United States is insulting its inhabitants but speaking of security in Argentina is granted because you live in Brazil. Awesome.
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

:lmao :lmao IF CAUGHT, that is your keyword in general people get away with crimes here in US.

Bullshit again. I absolutely know for a fact that 99% of South American citizens don't live scared of starving crackheads breaking into their houses.

So you've only lived in Brazil. Beleive me, Brazil is a whole other world compared to other countries in South America. Your experience extendends only to Brazil.

1. Law is much more transparent in the U.S. AS A WHOLE.
2. Bullshit your self, man. If I did state "99.9%" than that figure should certainly be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto for the "crackhead" reference. My point is that its harder to make ends meet in countries with low GDP's per capita, and its been well-documented that South American societies suffer profoundly from skewed incomes. Hopefully that will change for the better over the long haul. I am a proponent of free trade, and I think that's a long term positive course, but that's another topic altogether.
3. Brazil is a whole other world? Culturally, sure. And my experience extends beyond Brazil. But now I'm curious to know where you have lived.
07-05-2005
Athenea

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Originally Posted by hendrix

So speaking of security concerns in the United States is insulting its inhabitants but speaking of security in Argentina is granted because you live in Brazil. Awesome.

Right on target! :spin
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

:lmao :lmao IF CAUGHT, that is your keyword in general people get away with crimes here in US.

Bullshit again. I absolutely know for a fact that 99% of South American citizens don't live scared of starving crackheads breaking into their houses.

So you've only lived in Brazil. Beleive me, Brazil is a whole other world compared to other countries in South America. Your experience extendends only to Brazil.

1. Law is much more transparent in the U.S. AS A WHOLE.
2. Bullshit your self, man. If I did state "99.9%" than that figure should certainly be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto for the "crackhead" reference. My point is that its harder to make ends meet in countries with low GDP's per capita, and its been well-documented that South American societies suffer profoundly from skewed incomes. Hopefully that will change for the better over the long haul. I am a proponent of free trade, and I think that's a long term positive course, but that's another topic altogether.
3. Brazil is a whole other world? Culturally, sure. And my experience extends beyond Brazil. But now I'm curious to know where you have lived.

Finally, I used "South America" in a generic sense so as not to directly reference a specific country, although I have done so with Brazil. I guess I'm an authority on Brazil since nkdlunch has granted me that license. :hat
07-05-2005
nkdlunch

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

WAY WAY WAY OFF!! I lived in Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, Peru and Argentina, and the safest is Chile right now because of their economic situation. Venezuela is a mess, Caracas has on average 50 murders EVERY week!! and I mean murders like shot, stabbed, etc.. and this is for a city of about 4 million! Thats about the same as Colombia when the civil war was at its peek! There's absolutely no way you can compare Colombia and Venezuela with Brazil and Argentina, not even close! Brazil and Argentina only recently have began to experience excesive amounts of crime. For example, did you know that in 2000 Argentina was the second country with less murders a year? That's changed a lot since then, but its still not as insecure as everyone seems to think. I agree that the US is safer than most of Latin America, barrin maybe Chile and Mexico, but all I'm saying is Americans tend to think ALL of South America is a breeding ground for drugs, lack of education, and an overall war zone, and that is simply not true!

my point was that right now, those 4 countries(Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina) are the most dangerous in SA. How is that way off???
07-05-2005
MaNuMaNiAc

Re: Manu's family's facilities were robbed?

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

1. Law is much more transparent in the U.S. AS A WHOLE.
2. Bullshit your self, man. If I did state "99.9%" than that figure should certainly be taken with a grain of salt. Ditto for the "crackhead" reference. My point is that its harder to make ends meet in countries with low GDP's per capita, and its been well-documented that South American societies suffer profoundly from skewed incomes. Hopefully that will change for the better over the long haul. I am a proponent of free trade, and I think that's a long term positive course, but that's another topic altogether.
3. Brazil is a whole other world? Culturally, sure. And my experience extends beyond Brazil. But now I'm curious to know where you have lived.

You really can't make an assumption on the whole of Latin America because you happen to have lived in Brazil. Latin AMerica isn't one entity, security concerns varie with every country. You made a generalization that although it may have been correct, it was for all the wrong reasons
07-05-2005
hendrix

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Originally Posted by GrandeDavid

My point is that its harder to make ends meet in countries with low GDP's per capita, and its been well-documented that South American societies suffer profoundly from skewed incomes. Hopefully that will change for the better over the long haul. I am a proponent of free trade, and I think that's a long term positive course, but that's another topic altogether.

I guess you live there to get benefits from the low incomes, right? You're traveling around the globe looking for "better" opportunities and exploitating people. Yeah... I thought so... you really like Brazil... those damn South-americans really work for a dime.
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

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Originally Posted by hendrix

So speaking of security concerns in the United States is insulting its inhabitants but speaking of security in Argentina is granted because you live in Brazil. Awesome.

That comment makes no sense whatsoever. I never ever ever EVER mentioned Argentina. What I did do was mention "South America", hence "developing countries" based on MY EXPERIENCE. Obviously I'm aware that there are pros and cons and similarities and differences among nations. But really, you need not get offended. I think Argentina is a fabulous country. In this specific thread, I did not like that one post wonder person mocking 9/11 and indirectly referencing school violence acts like Columbine as if they are the norm in America.

Talk abou xenophobia! Good grief!

Settle down, folks. If anybody loves international brotherhood and bonding, its me. But if you look at threats to one's individual security, America is safer in that regard. I'm not saying that "America is better than other countries". I am just stating a fact.

To clarify my original tone:

I WAS PISSED OFF AT THE SMART ASS MOCKING OF TERRORIST THREATS AND SCHOOL VIOLENCE IN AMERICA. TO ME, THOSE ARE NOT DESERVING SUBJECTS OR WORTHY OF SARCASM.
07-05-2005
MaNuMaNiAc

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

my point was that right now, those 4 countries(Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina) are the most dangerous in SA. How is that way off???

Because its simply not true, Peru has as a high a kidnapping risk as either Brazil or Argentina. I know because I lived there. Bolivia is right there also. I'd say Colombia and Venezuela are on top as the most dangerous, then maybe Peru, Paraguay, Ecuador, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia and then Chile. However, they are all preety close except for the extremes like Venezuela, Colombia and Chile.
07-05-2005
GrandeDavid

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Originally Posted by hendrix

I guess you live there to get benefits from the low incomes, right? You're traveling around the globe looking for "better" opportunities and exploitating people. Yeah... I thought so... you really like Brazil... those damn South-americans really work for a dime.

Again, you are talking directly out of your ass with utterly no substance whatsoever. I won't even address this other than to say that if I knew you, you'd disappoint me.

But I will say this- I am HELPING people. Again, you do not know my profession or anything about me. I'd suggest you either take a nap or enlighten yourself with a good history book.
07-05-2005
nkdlunch

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Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Because its simply not true, Peru has as a high a kidnapping risk as either Brazil or Argentina. I know because I lived there. Bolivia is right there also. I'd say Colombia and Venezuela are on top as the most dangerous, then maybe Peru, Paraguay, Ecuador, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia and then Chile.

We are talking about crime in general. Not only kidnappings.
07-05-2005
MaNuMaNiAc

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Originally Posted by hendrix

I guess you live there to get benefits from the low incomes, right? You're traveling around the globe looking for "better" opportunities and exploitating people. Yeah... I thought so... you really like Brazil... those damn South-americans really work for a dime.

Settle down!! now you're just insulting people, not arguing.

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