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Anyone think that this is possible? He must be quite unhappy with the Wolves managment and current situation. And if so, would the Wolves let him go? Where would he go then? There are a lot of Laker homers that think that KG to LA is possible. i really don't hink that this would ever happen because the wolves would be shotting themselves in the foot (unless KG started to deliberatly tank the season) but it is something to discuss imo.
Then he would be an even bigger Biatch than he is now.
I think if he demanded a trade the spurs should be the first one in the line to get him. Just trade Duncan and he is ours.
kg is stuk in minni, i'll tel you that right now.
If he were to be traded, it would be another one of those blockbusters that noone saw coming.
Did the Laker homers acknowledge that the only thing Minny would take in return would be Kobe, and that would just be trading one cardboard messiah who couldn't lead his team to the playoffs last year for another?
he aint goin no where...wolves would basically have to trade kg for the entire hawk roster
It would take more than Kobe for LAL to get them. You could only trade Garnett for Duncan, Garnett for Stoudemire, Garnett for L. James, and Garnett for Wade.
hmmm, what if shaq demanded a trade?
He wouldn't have to because he could sign with another team.Quote:
Originally Posted by atlfan25
http://p089.ezboard.com/finsidehoops...ID=55281.topic
This one guy reckons he has a 'inside source' in the Lakers... and that it would just be like the Shaq trade and they would take Odom and change for KG. But seriously, McHale doing something to benefit the Lakers? I doubt it.
Are you saying thats a good idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
not if he wants to keep makin serious cashQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
It would be a risky move because you don't know how the chemistry would work but Garnett has all the potential in the world to make San Antonio a championship team just like Tim. Talent wise Garnett is better but it psychologically might hurt the team losing Tim so I guess even if Garnett is better that it would not be in the teams best interest to make such a radical trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by xcoriate
If you switched Tim with KG, you would have to completely restructure our offense and defense... it wouldnt work. Tim plays A LOT different to KG.
I think Mohammad would fit well with KG and having outside shooters are key also. Parker might not fit well with KG and might have to be traded if San Antonio had KG.
Don't fix it if it ain't brokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Please, lets not start the Duncan <> KG shit again!
I think the main difference between Duncan and Garnett is their attitude. Garnett is an high energy guy while Duncan is calm and very focused type of player. Garnett is more of a perimeter player so you want a center that hangs around the basket for rebounds and Mohammad is that. I think the chemistry on paper works but the personalities might clash.
I switch sides if duncan is traded :(. Duncan spurs for life
how about spurs give wolves
parker
Gino
scola
1 draft pick
for KG
Spursdaone is not a Spurs fan.
Same sentiments...Quote:
Originally Posted by Useruser666
If Spursdaone was in charge of the Spurs management, we would be on our way to being the next NY Knicks!
So far this offseason, "Spurs" fans have come up with the following trade ideas:
1) Marbury for Parker
2) Mike James for Bowen
3) Anyone and their mom's for Rasho
4) KG for Duncan
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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
i would love to have KG play with DUNCAN... but it ain't gonna happen
KG has a BIG EGO... he'd rather lose rest of his career or retire early than play w/ TD... which is plain STUPID!!! he just doesn't wanna be known as TIMMYs counterpart... he wants to be TIMMY, he's been trying for 8 years now... too bad he ain't timmy, and he never will be... but if he and timmy became ONE!!! there is NO STOPPING US...
but i would hate to lose MANU for KG... but just imagine (i know, i know... stop imagining)... but can ya picture TD, KG, MANU... as our three superstars, WOW!!!
this is what we would trade... (this is just a dream guys, i am not serious... or am i???)
RASHO (i doubt they'd want him back, but we are dreaming so it can happen),
TONY (no!!! but for KG yes! :( ),
SCOLA (:( ),
rights to IAN MAHINMI ( :( )
and a FIRST ROUND PICK...
that still too less... throw in MANU and it would be a done deal, but i can never see MANU leave... what else could be thrown in there for a chance of getting KG... (don't include TIMMY or MANU)
If the spurs management listened to some of you nothing would change and age will take out the spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
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Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Man give it up already, KG is nothing compared to TD, how does it taste, having KG's nuts in your mouth?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Are you sure you are a Spurs fan?
Kinda salty :lol I like both players and they are both great so stop being so ignorant and give Kevin his props. They are close but Garnett is younger.
we have already established that last week when we compared stats and it still showed Duncan was better even if it was by a few things he was still statistically better. Spursdaone is on crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Useruser666
You never proved shit about the stats. Garnett is the stat leader in the nba.Quote:
Originally Posted by batman2883
Ignorant??? No its called being smart, if it aint broken dont fix it, we all know TD is the main reason we win each year. We also know that KG is the main reason they lose every year, he chokes down the stretch, he has too much of a say so on who goes into Minny, most of the fault should be blamed on him for having such a mediocre team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
oh man yes we did someone else had posted it and you complained cause you said the first few years of Garnetts stats shouldnt count since he came out of high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Minnesota had shit to start with. Hudson, Wally, Nesterovic, and Peeler. They made a decent team out of that with getting Cassell and Sprewell but still aren't as good as what spurs have had and will have.
The last 3 years Garnett has been the stat leader so you are owned. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by batman2883
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Originally Posted by Spursdaone
overall career wise TD has been the leader so that makes KG owned, and once again lets not even talk about the hardware.....Who is the two time league MVP back to back? Who has 3 finals MVP trophies, 1 all star game mvp, and 3 Championship rings??? i know KG has pretty much nothing in comparison with TD
Here is your answer to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
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Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Here is your answer to that lame excuse, OWNED....KG IS OWNED. Overrated choke artist
This site might help you to how much Garnett was better than Duncan in 2003-04. http://www.nba.com/statistics/2003/d...opic=0&stat=27
lol yo spurdaone , are u still on that shit, bout statistics
Duncans last 2 seasons have been riddled with injury comin off playin in the summer
so his stats have been career lows
You making excuses for Duncan about why Garnett clearly owned him. 69 games is pretty good in my opinion. Those 13 games were missed late in the season so he was healthy for most of the games he played during the season. Garnett is the better player now and Duncan having so many injuries is not a good thing for longevity. Webber had that same problem.
Dude, STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Tim Duncan is a leader. Kevin Garnett is a choke artist. Tim Duncan is a back-to-back NBA MVP winner. Kevin Garnett has won once. Tim Duncan is All-NBA First Team his whole career. Tim Duncan has been to the Finals three times, Garnett none. Tim has 3 Finals MVP trophies, Garnett has none. Tim Duncan has 3 rings, and Garnett has none. The Tim Duncan Spurs have 3 Larry O'Brien trophies, the Kevin Garnett Wolves have none.
There's some stats for you.
Duncan Born: 1976, April 25Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Garnett Born: 1976, May 19
Garnett is almost a month younger, man, I am sure Garnett has much much more potential, he could win another MVP, 3 Finals and 3 Finals MVP in the next month.
BTW, please say "Hi" to ignorance for me, haven't seen him for a while, and I suspect he's with you.
fuck that, timmys better (i dont want to argue that now.) but I like the way things are and we don't need to trade timmy for Garnett. period If he demanded a trade for the wolves I think we got nothing for them. exept a couple of players. But I don't even like that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Do they also show how, statistically, Bowen is better than Stockton on defense too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=177
How does biting yourself in the ass feels?
Led his team straight to the lottery.Quote:
Garnett is the stat leader in the nba.
If you consider accomplishments as stats than Billups is better than Garnett. Give me a break about accomplishments. You are missing the point about how good Garnett. They are both great but you haven't seen that Garnett brings more to his team than Duncan. More rebounding, more passing, and more energy. It's to bad he is on a old team that would be last place without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBalla1001
You're right -- I haven't seen that.Quote:
They are both great but you haven't seen that Garnett brings more to his team than Duncan.
Garnett's supporting casts have better stats than Duncan's supporting casts, so by your logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Garnett's supportin cast > Duncan's supporting cast.
But as we can see from all the championships, Spurs > Wolves
Since Spurs = Duncan + Duncan's supporting cast (by definition) and
Wolves = Garnett + Garnett's supporting cast, we can easily derive the following:
Duncan >> Garnett.
What I absolutely do not get is, if you use Stats as the barometer, how did you come up with Garnett having a weak supporting cast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
But if you use your OTHER barometer in terms of the intangibles, why would Duncan, with his 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs and 3 rings, be any worse than Garnett?
I just want to see how you put those two concepts together in one post without contradicting yourself.
Which team has a better point guard? San Antonio
Which team has better ball movement? San Antonio
Which team has better defense? San Antonio
All of this effects how much a great player can help their team.
Garnett with Parker would be a improvement over the always shooting first Cassell and Hudson. You haven't seen Garnett do that because you haven't watched many of his games. He would love for his team to do 1 of the above.
Allen Iverson averages more points than anyone in the league so is he the best player now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Duncan with Garnett's team last year would be in the playoffs -- no question.
I didn't say anything about points but I think the scoring title is overrated. It is efficency that matters and Iverson doesn't have it but Garnett and Duncan do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBalla1001
You did not answer my question. Tell me how better stats = better player when you talk about Duncan vs. Garnett, but not of their supporting casts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Does it ever occure to you that the reason San Antonio has better defense and ball movement is because of Duncan? If you actually did watch basketball for 15 years (as you claimed), you would have known a powerful inside player will draw defenders inside, opening up wide open shots and passing lanes.
As regarding the question as to which team got a better point guard, are you referring to 99 with Avery Johnson? Or 03 with a rookie French, or 05 with an established player who has yet to make the all-star team?
For comparison purposes, Garnett has had better point guards than the 99 and 03 Spurs, 05 Spurs is up to debate, given how effective Cassell was last year.
As as we have discussed before, I haven't seen Garnett with Parker, neither have I seen Duncan with Cassell. If you want to talk about fantasy basketball, go ahead, but I am not going to use my imagination and see how Garnett would be better than Duncan in the current Spurs system, which was built for Duncan, than Duncan is, when reality tells me Duncan won 3 Finals MVPs, 2 MVPs and 3 rings, while Garnett has 1 MVP (still a very impressive accomplishment.
I wouldn't take KG for Rasho straight up. KG has an attitude problem and I don't think he has what it takes mentally to win at the next level. He is a great player but will forever be in the Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Iverson catagory.
Who has more assist? Duncan or Garnett. Shaq is the most dominant inside player so by your logic he is the best player. Duncan is not a dominant inside player if you put a good defender on him. He is not unstoppable unless you put an underized player on him that weighs less. I'll give it that Duncan is slightly a better defender but he is a different type of defender. Garnett can handle the quicker players while Duncan can handle strong post players. Actually the more I think about it Duncan let Stoudemire score a ton on him so why is he so great on defense? If only Garnett had Bowen, Mohammad, and Ginobili on defense along with a great defensive coach.
At this point in their careers Duncan>Shaq and >>Garnet. Get real man.
Absolutely the most important stat for a PF.Quote:
Who has more assist?
Really? Could have fooled us.Quote:
Duncan is not a dominant inside player if you put a good defender on him.
Sincerely,
The Wallaces, KMart, et.al.Garnett can stand at the top of a gimmicky zone with his arms stretched out.Quote:
Garnett can handle the quicker players while Duncan can handle strong post players.
His not actually guarding him had something to do with it.Quote:
Actually the more I think about it Duncan let Stoudemire score a ton on him so why is he so great on defense?
He did guard Stoudemire and he usually got fouls called on him because of poor movement on his part.
Cassell got more assits than Parker too, so what is your point? Since when has more assists = better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
How? Did I ever say Shaq is the most dominant? In fact? I recall calling him the most overrated. Shaq, throughout his career, has been effectively singled by David Robinson, Ben Wallace, Hakeem Olajuwon, and even lesser players like Stanley Roberts and Gheorge Muresan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Another of your pull-out-of-the-ass arguments. Give me some evidence. Duncan seemed to have handled Shaq guarding him quite well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
No player is unstoppable, and it just happens Duncan has more tools under his belt when certain aspects of his game is taken away.
I suppose the concept of team defense is foreign to you. Have it ever occured to you how the Suns always lose their 4th quarters, and Stoudemire always score big in the 4th? Perhaps stopping Nash as a priority to take the Suns out of their offensive scheme has something to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
And tough that Garnett only has Sprewell and Hassell as his perimeter defender. And since when has Mohammad and Ginobili become great defensive players?
I will agree Duncan and Garnett are both great defenders, though.
And Spursdaone, don't avoid the real question, tell me how Garnett is better than Duncan due to stats, while Garnett's supporting casts are worse than Duncan's despite stats.
Or could it be that the Spurs are deeper and Nash got worn out by great defense by Parker. Ginobili and Mohammad are good defenders but not great defenders and usually Parker is a good defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
There is no simple way of answering that question without going into detail. Tell me how the 80's Jordan was better than Duncan. He didn't win any championships at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
It could be to someone who doesn't know how team defense works. But then it also takes someone who doesn't know anything about basketball to state Garnett would work better than Duncan in a system that is specifically designed for Duncan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
I know your mother is female too, what's the point of saying all this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
But all in all, don't avoid the real question, tell me how Garnett is better than Duncan due to stats, while Garnett's supporting casts are worse than Duncan's despite stats.
Amare shot .606 against the Wolves this year.
I am a very complex person, tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
And Jordan in his 80's was NOT better than Duncan, he wasn't considered to be on the same level as Magic and Bird until he started winning multiple titles.
Jordan in the 80's was considered all style, no substance. But then, you weren't watching back then, you started 1990, exactly 15 years ago.
So you've deduced he's 15 years old? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
He didn't make his teammates better at the time but you could say he never did that but he was so athletic and talented individually that he made up for not always getting teammates involved. He didn't have the trust for his teammates as I've heard at that time. He was a great player and who knows how good he would be with 90's bulls that is similar to Garnett's wolves. You can't underestimate how important the teammates are. 1 player can't do it alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang
It's possible, but he said he has been watching bball for 15 years, yet can somehow say Shaq > Wilt because, get this, Wilt didn't have to play with the 3 second rule. About the funniest thing I have heard in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Useruser666
Dude wtf u talking about??? the wolvies are nothing like the old bulls. The 90s bulls had another superstar in his prime, Pippen and they had a real hunger for winning. Plus they had Phil Jackson. WTF do the wolvies have? Cassell and Spree? and zerbiak?? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Another TD vs. KG thread with closet timberwolves fan Spursdaone, what else is new?
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Originally Posted by Spursdaone
How is that related to "how Garnett is better than Duncan due to stats, while Garnett's supporting casts are worse than Duncan's despite stats."?
And I have to agree with you on this, Duncan is a better team player than Garnett.
yah, I know. Any mention of KG warrants a multiple thread page of KG vs. TD even if the origioanal post had nothing to do with that. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dn0
btw, have people checked out Spursdanoe's KG>TD rap in hte "who can flow" thread?
:drunk
Another misunderstanding. I said it poorly but who knows how good Garnett would be on a team that is talented as what Jordan or Duncan had. Sorry for the confusion. I was typing fast and left some info out.Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch
You can't be serious? That's why KG has so many rings and Tim has none, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
LMAO! :spin
(you're kidding, right?)
I count athleticism and finesse as talent. Garnett is better in athleticism and equal in finesse. Shooting, passing, timing, and etc is an example of finesse.
Yes , he is so good that he couldn't lead his team to the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
:blah :blah
man, stop living on a fantasy..
In the real world, the best KG did in 10 years was to lose to the lakers in 2004 WCF.
what a f***ing joke.
I'm sorry that you don't get that 1 player can't win a championship by himself. It has never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by dn0
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What if Kevin Garnett demended a trade?
If KG demended a trade I probably wouldn't worry one bit if I were Minnesota.
However, if he demanded a trade. . .well. . .that would be something different altogether now wouldn't it?!!
KG leads Duncan in punching teammates. Case closed!
[Waits for Marcus to start a "Free Agent: Rick Rickert" thread]
KG might start making some threats, but I don't think anyone in Minnesota would let them get very far. They won't let him go. They'd throw out the entire team and start over, if that was what KG wanted. They'll go after whoever he wants them to go after. Much like SA and Timmy, Minnesota knows KG's value and isn't going to let him go. But they're going to have to seriously re-vamp this offseason. I expect SPree and Cassell both gone, maybe others. Does KG like Trenton Hassell and Wally? Because if he doesn't they're pretty much gone.
Minnesota needs to replace Kandi. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Eddy Curry or Dalembert. Then they need a new, younger PG.
KG being traded is more likely than KG winning a title.
If KG gets traded there would only be a few worse teams that he could play on than what he has now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Useruser666
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Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Actually... no
KG is not being traded, he's a franchise player... and teams don't get rid of those.. especially if it's players like him or Tim...
Spursdaone....how bout you come back when KG wins 1, not 2 not 3, but just O-N-E championship. Then you can back up your argument, until then STFU!
TD FOR GARNETT= THE SPURS WOULDNT EVEN CONSIDER IT... AMARE FOR GARNETT= NOPE. JAMES FOR GARNETT=UH UH U MUST BE NUTS. WADE FOR GARNETT= UUUUUH MAAAYBE NOTQuote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
THE 4 PLAYERS U STATED ARE VALUED 2 MUCH BY THERE RESPECTIVE TEAMS TO EVEN CONSIDER KG...
Agreed, I wouldn't even consider trading Nazr for KG!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE3000
Tony wouldnt be as good with KG...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Tim is the anchor of SA DEFENSE... KG simply dont provide the right leadership to anchor his team the way TD does...
ball movement.... see reason why defense is better
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Originally Posted by ambchang
ur makin a fool of this clown :lol
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Originally Posted by Spursdaone
the 80, Jordan was NOT better than TD!!!
That's why Harold Minor is better than Magic Johnson and Larry Bird combined!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone
Still haven't told me how Garnett is better than Duncan due to stats, while Garnett's supporting casts are worse than Duncan's despite stats.
WORD-UP!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Useruser666
KG proves that he is the best player in the game by the way he comes out every night and plays his guts out. Now that is a leader. Duncan sometimes doesn't show enough emotion or caring enough. He needs to be more vocal. I would rather have KG because of that reason alone. He has outplayed Duncan the last 3 years on stats and you would have to be stupid to say he has good teammates.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Useruser666
Allen Iverson plays his guts out everynight. Manu plays his guts out everynight. Heck, Bruce Bowen plays his guts out everynight. Does that mean they are better plays than KG or TD? Thats weak. Saying KG shows more emotion, so therefore hes better is also a weak argument. Thats like saying 'I show more emotion than einstein, therefore i must be smarter then him'.
I think the best way of showing that TD is better than KG is probably the .702 winning percentage in 8 years (or whatever the exact stat is). RESULTS are what counts.
That is a weak argument because that is the same as saying Billups is better than KG because Detroit has been better the last 2 years. Watch the games of Minnesota learn something. Sprewell sucks. Szerbiak sucks.
.... you are no Spurs fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursdaone