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That's exactly what I'm saying. They'd still have $18 million in cap space after this trade which fills their biggest need.Quote:
are you saying their isn't an opportunity cost to using the cap space?
This is just the kind of opportunity you get cap space for, if it is available.And I'm giving you a perfect example ... Rasho to Atlanta ...Quote:
? I gave you a perfect example ... Keon Clark + draft pick to Utah...
Hotlanta has to pay somebody to play for them. Rasho is an adequate enough center for them for the next couple of seasons. At least for the time being they wouldn't have to look for a starting center. Rasho's made for the running game. With guys like Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Salim Stoudamire and Josh Childress they need a bigman who can board, block some shots, start the break with a pass and generally stay the fuck out of the way.
Atlanta has like 10 small forwards. Parting with Diaw and landing a starting center would seem like a pretty good deal for them. Holt Cat gets to trim some long term salary expense from the budget. Win-win.
Perhaps the Spurs should try for something more with them...
this is what you said. that was never my argument.Quote:
Ultimately your argument is Diaw > Rasho,
Just because a team (in this case Atlanta) needs a center and has cap space doesn't mean they will take a stiff. It doesn't matter how many small forwards alt. has, what matters is if anyone will give up anything for it. You see to be trying to make this into me arguing that the Hawks don't need a center...
ultimately you want near equal value... cap space + diaw is greater than Rasho
Keon Clark had one year on his contract and was cut... Sac. paid that too. so Utah got a draft pick for renting it's unused cap space... but Rasho's 30 million cap sapce hit requires you to give away a former first rounder, :drunk
Problem for you is, Rasho is not a stiff. He's my least favorite Spur, but he's definitely not a stiff considering what else passes for a bigman in the league.
They're talking to Z, aren't they?Quote:
Just because a team (in this case Atlanta) needs a center and has cap space doesn't mean they will take a stiff.
Would a team be smart to hang on to its 15mpg forward instead of getting a starting center?Quote:
It doesn't matter how many small forwards alt., what matters is if anyone will give up anything for it.
You seem to be arguing that the 15mpg forward is of more use to them.Quote:
You see to be trying to make this into me arguing that the Hawks don't need a center.
Honestly, Diaw for Rasho is a fairly one-sided deal...for the Hawks. The Spurs could get a lot more if they were willing to take back salary.
when? I'm saying there is no way in hell they are going to use this asset on RashoQuote:
You seem to be arguing that the 15mpg forward is of more use to them.
could be... I doubt itQuote:
They're talking to Z, aren't they?
in case you missed it:
Keon Clark had one year on his contract and was cut... Sac. paid that too. so Utah got a draft pick for renting it's unused cap space... but Rasho's 30 million cap sapce hit requires you to give away a former first rounder, :drunk
In what world? Who do you see them getting for that?Quote:
ultimately you want near equal value... cap space + diaw is greater than Rasho
Dalembert?
Next year's #1?
This year's #1?
This year's number #10?
One of the 10 or so centers that could be considered better than Rasho?
Z for $10 million?
Such a deal would likely involve taking on a whole lot of crap - so much for the value of the cap space. I'm not saying it's impossible, but really -- who is on the block that is so much better?
My guess is that Atlanta would want someone like Kaman.
Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you have to use it. If there isn't a better deal out there does that make this a good deal... (HINT: No)
So what are they going to get for this asset?Quote:
I'm saying there is no way in hell they are going to use this asset on Rasho
Try mentioning someone who actually has a chance of being traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by spvrs
It is a good deal on its face. And Knight is on the clock to make something happen this summer with the cap space -- of this there is no doubt.Quote:
Just because you have cap space doesn't mean you have to use it. If there isn't a better deal out there does that make this a good deal... (HINT: No)
WHO CARES!!! My point was only that it's a one sided trade that woudl never happenQuote:
So what are they going to get for this asset?
Rasho also gives the Hawks a starting center for the next 3 to 4 seasons. The Spurs can find a better deal elsewhere.
I didn't miss it -- it just isn't relevant. Atlanta would use Rasho as a starting center.Quote:
in case you missed it:
Keon Clark had one year on his contract and was cut... Sac. paid that too. so Utah got a draft pick for renting it's unused cap space... but Rasho's 30 million cap sapce hit requires you to give away a former #1
I doubt Rasho is on the block -- but it's quite a good deal for Atlanta.Quote:
My point was only that it's a one sided trade that woudl never happen
You mentioned a trade that I think a homer gm, I called it out. You disagree..
Is this a battle blog?
:lol
Yeah, it's one-sided...for the Hawks. The Spurs could get much more than a 3 man who hasn't really shown much in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by spvrs
Diaw > Rasho isn't much of an argument.Quote:
Is this a battle blog?
you said I was arguing for Diaw > Rasho... I was showing an example of the value of cap space. how's that irrelevant?Quote:
I didn't miss it -- it just isn't relevant. Atlanta would use Rasho as a starting center.
nice you've been able to distill my argument into something I've never said and totally destroy it.. done like the true guru you are...
you can be crowned King of the Homer GMS... :king
I showed that they still have $18 million in cap space and that this is exaclty the kind of deal you get cap space for.Quote:
I was showing an example of the value of cap space.
I'm quite realistic. You can be crowned the king of 15mpg forward GMs.Quote:
you can be crowned King of the Homer GMS.
What if Hotlanta can't find enough free agents to use their cap space on? As if that is unheard of...
There's always Collier....
Nah, the Hawks wouldn't trade him for Rasho either, right?
Atlanta would have to give the Spurs something more than Diaw back for Rasho.