Trade Idea: Mohammed For Marshall

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Nazr's FG% was 43% in the Finals, almost a full 10% lower than his playoff average.

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i agree with the butterhands. dude looked like a young malik out there. but i missed the part where they brought him in to score 30pts a game? (and called plays for him) because the guy i thought they brought in was to defend bigs... and rebound. he averaged one less board than wallace in 20 or so less mins.

if you're gonna give me ben wallace's FG average... then also bring up the fact that billups actually got into the paint and fed him with in 3ft of the hoop.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

It was more than the shorter rotation. Nazr's offensive efficiency went down sharply against the Pistons. Too much pump faking and lack of any semblance of range on his shot. In addition the butterhands didn't help.

His opponent, Ben Wallace, shot 57% for the series.

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again, didn't detroit make Snaq look like crap last year. Maybe we have to credit detroit and with time in the system I think Nazr will be better.

Also, locking him up does make sense.


you're putting to much weight on one series, especially for someone who joined the team after mid-season.

It's not the scoring average so much as it is converting the opportunities he got into points. He had a lot of chances for easy scores that he missed and against a top defense that was huge.

It's not like he's the focal point of the offense like Shaq was for the Lakers and Heat.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

It's not the scoring average so much as it is converting the opportunities he got into points. He had a lot of chances for easy scores that he missed and against a top defense that was huge.

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Only against detroit, that wasn't the case against Denver, Seattle, or Phoenix.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

It's not the scoring average so much as it is converting the opportunities he got into points. He had a lot of chances for easy scores that he missed and against a top defense that was huge.

It's not like he's the focal point of the offense like Shaq was for the Lakers and Heat.

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you want to quickly look up duncan's average in the finals for me? (please) as opposed to the rest of the playoffs?

Udonis Haslem shot 51% against Detroit in the ECF and 49% for the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Udonis Haslem shot 51% against Detroit in the ECF.

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I like Haslem, I have no idea why the Heat are letting him go. He's underrated.

let nazr get a full yr of spurs coaching and then offer trade ideas, obviously rasho has been here for few yrs and producing about the same as a guy that has been here for half of the season and a bit injured and if it wasnt for rasho/tim gettin hurt we would still be in darkness about nazr upside.

give nazr his chance, let alone he didnt do so well in finals but at times during the playoffs he carried us that alone deserves a chance. to be honest since that fake handoff dunk against seattle i knew this guys upside is much greater than DAMP and some of the weakass wanna be supestar center minus shaq.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Udonis Haslem shot 51% against Detroit in the ECF and 49% for the playoffs.

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uh huh. and what does that have to do with nazr? im just saying he did his job and he didnt exactly have alot of time to learn it. he wasnt worthless.

Haslem played up front with a star big man against Detroit and didn't struggle.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Haslem played up front with a star big man against Detroit and didn't struggle.

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and billups shot 41% in the efc SO that means damon jones is a better defender than parker... ok fine.

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Nazr was rather ineffective against a frontcourt that seemed suited to his game in the Finals.

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This is such a myth. Nazr's numbers were impacted proportionately to what Duncan's were going against the Wallace boys and McDyess.

But, such is the life of a big man not named Rose.

i like the trade idea... but doesnt anyone else feel like we could do/get more for either nazr or rasho? i think a trade for marshall would be excellent if we lost horry though. (and if we had to lose rasho or nazr than do it)

Tell me Nazr's market value, and I'll have a better reply.

I like the idea of a 2-headed beast at center in the form of Rasho and Nazr. Sacrificing depth at center might have us whooping it up over 4 titles in 9 years, instead of 4 in 8. I assume Horry remains on the Spurs.

I like the idea of Donyell, but with Horry on aboard, the rotation seems awkward.

The Spurs could get more bang for the buck keeping Nazr (and Rasho), and re-signing Glenn Robinson for Donyell type money.

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Originally Posted by Guru of Nothing

Tell me Nazr's market value, and I'll have a better reply.

I like the idea of a 2-headed beast at center in the form of Rasho and Nazr. Sacrificing depth at center might have us whooping it up over 4 titles in 9 years, instead of 4 in 8. I assume Horry remains on the Spurs.

I like the idea of Donyell, but with Horry on aboard, the rotation seems awkward.

The Spurs could get more bang for the buck keeping Nazr (and Rasho), and re-signing Glenn Robinson for Donyell type money.

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yes, but Robinson will not require anything close to Donyell money.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

This is such a myth. Nazr's numbers were impacted proportionately to what Duncan's were going against the Wallace boys and McDyess.

But, such is the life of a big man not named Rose.

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Why did Haslem manage to bring it against them? Was that a "myth"?

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Why did Haslem manage to bring it against them? Was that a "myth"?

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Why didn't Kobe bring it against them last year, is he a myth? apples oranges comparison and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

Shaq's numbers were down against Detroit. I guess he sucks too...

Everyone THOUGHT Nazr would have a huge series because they expected Detroit to double Tim. That happened the first 2-3 games of the Detroit series, and Nazr had good nights statistically.

Then Rasheed spoke up and said he wanted Tim one on one, and Ben focused on keeping Nazr off the glass.

There's worse crimes than having your rebounding numbers decrease by a whopping 1.5 per game when Ben Wallace decides to take you out of the equation on the glass.

For someone who rode Malik's jock so hard over his five boards a game, I figure you could at least give Nazr some credit.

The comparison is quite appropriate. Nazr had the benefit of playing alongside a star big against Detroit and he failed to bring it, unlike Haslem or Horry for that matter.

Oh good, AHF showed up with a whole lotta nuttin'.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The comparison is quite appropriate. Nazr had the benefit of playing alongside a star big against Detroit and he failed to bring it, unlike Haslem or Horry for that matter.

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.419% in 7 games... MVP of the finals.

so you're gonna say that a guy is worthless because he shoots .433 and grabs one less rebound than ben wallace... while only putting up over 4 shots a game?

haslem averaged 36 mins in the series... 8.7pts 8.3rebs .29blks

Again, TD was the focal point of the Pistons' interior D just like Shaq was the focal point when the Pistons played the Heat. Quoting TD's FG% means nothing. It's what the guys who are playng alongside the star big were doing that matters. Haslem's efficiency didn't take the hit that Nazr's did. Why? Part of it has to do with the fact that Haslem has something that looks like a jumper. It also has something to do with the fact that Haslem doesn't try 50 million pumpfakes before going to the hole.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The comparison is quite appropriate. Nazr had the benefit of playing alongside a star big against Detroit and he failed to bring it, unlike Haslem or Horry for that matter.

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guy had one mediocre series, relax. He was fantastic until detroit doesn't that count for anything? Give him one full year in the system. Horry sucked against LA last year and what did it mean, absolutely nothing.

The Pistons actually doubled Shaq. Nazr didn't get the same benefit from the Pistons defense after game 2.

You want to give the man seventy million dollars when he can't bring it against a frontcourt custom built for him to show his worth?