Trade Idea: Mohammed For Marshall

The Pistons weren't that charitable with TD. They collapsed on him just the same.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Austin

........I think it comes down to offensive rebounds vs. spacing. I don't think the +/- arguement works for me. The +/- numbers when Horry is in are high primarily because he is fucking clutch and is a smart player, not because of the spacing he provides. Plus, spacing doesn't help if you can't knock down shots. It's easier to hit meaningless shots in toronto midseason than it is playing for a contending team in crunchtime.

I also wonder how badly the Spurs would miss the offensive rebounds Mohammed provided. timvp, I think you said in another thread that you watched every playoff game at least three times. My question to you is, without Mohammed's offensive rebounding and garbage buckets, would the Spurs have won? Offensive rebounding was a weakness that the Rose trade addressed.

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When you compare Nazr's offensive rebounds with Rasho's don't forget to add in the 2 or 3 OReb per game that Rasho bats out to the guards and doesn't get a stat for.

I remember more than one game this year where Rasho saved our ass by batting out rebounds in the 4th quarter.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

You want to give the man seventy million dollars when he can't bring it against a frontcourt custom built for him to show his worth?

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the defending champs that consistently kicked the crap out of snaq is custom built for Nazr?

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Again, TD was the focal point of the Pistons' interior D just like Shaq was the focal point when the Pistons played the Heat. Quoting TD's FG% means nothing. It's what the guys who are playng alongside the star big were doing that matters. Haslem's efficiency didn't take the hit that Nazr's did. Why? Part of it has to do with the fact that Haslem has something that looks like a jumper. It also has something to do with the fact that Haslem doesn't try 50 million pumpfakes before going to the hole.

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he averaged 4 shots a game. no plays are run through him. he did look a little shaky at times with the ball, but i didnt see anyone in a rush to put rasho out there? and lastly, horry was going to get his time at power forward, and duncan was going to get his at center. (because of the rotations)

if it was the guys playing along side the big star that counts... we would have faced miami instead of detroit in the finals (according to you)

Yes, when your teammate is Tim Duncan.

Mohammad is way to valuable to give for a person who doesn't play defense in Marshall. I would not do this trade. Mohammad is a big improvement over Nesterovic.

Who said anything about 70 million? You're the only one I've seen trumpet that number for Mohammed, quit arguing with yourself.

You know, I was thinking maybe you had a point about Haslem, but then I checked the stats...

haslem: 7 games, 36 minutes, .511 FG, 8.3 RPG, .86 TO/Game, .29 BPG, 8.7 PPG

nazr: 7 games, 22.6 minutes per game, .433 FG, 6 RPG, 4.9 PPG, .86 BPG, .71 TO/Game

So your boy Haslem played 15 minutes more per game, managed just two more rebounds per game (and four more PPG - two offensive putbacks), but was tripled up in the blocked shots department and had a higher TO average.

Yes, Haslem sure took advantage of that Detroit front court :lol

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Originally Posted by constantstate

he averaged 4 shots a game. no plays are run through him. he did look a little shaky at times with the ball, but i didnt see anyone in a rush to put rasho out there? and lastly, horry was going to get his time at power forward, and duncan was going to get his at center. (because of the rotations)

if it was the guys playing along side the big star that counts... we would have faced miami instead of detroit in the finals (according to you)

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How many plays were run for Haslem?

Look at the FG%, AHF. We are discussing efficiency here. With regards to TOs, how many did the Spurs' guards get hit with due to Nazr's stone hands?

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

How many plays were run for Haslem?

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about as many more mins worth as he was out there...

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Originally Posted by constantstate

about as many more mins worth as he was out there...

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Ha.

How many more minutes did Haslem get to play?

What was the disparity in rebounds and blocked shots, the two things the Spurs ask from their center?

STFU, chump.

Would Marshall inherit all the hate Nazr gets from the Malik-lovers? It would only be fair.

Wow, 43% to 51%, when the two guys combined for 12 shots a game.

Look out!

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

How many more minutes did Haslem get to play?

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Haslem played more minutes and shot a higher shooting %. That's not a negative, kiddo.

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What was the disparity in rebounds and blocked shots, the two things the Spurs ask from their center?

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Nazr gave that up at the other end.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Wow, 43% to 51%, when the two guys combined for 12 shots a game.

Look out!

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Nazr's poor play led to him riding the pine. Deal with it.

As opposed to Haslem, who got to play out of necessity. Right.

Wow, FG%. Big fucking whoop. Nazr took 4 shots a game, Haslem 8. That's obviously indicative of a big difference in the effectiveness of a player.

Fuck, Tony took way more shots than Manu did, and I'm just waiting for your next parker for Kidd rant.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Nazr's poor play led to him riding the pine. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Ha.

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you're acting crazy. dont look at shaq's fg% or duncan's against det... just look as haslem's and nazr's. its what the teammates of the big stars do!

nazr did his job pretty good... and i didnt see anyone putting in rasho. yeah he could have looked better out there, but duncan could've too... and if nazr would have played more (like haslem) he would have gotten more chances. look at his numbers for the SEA and DEN series. but he wouldnt have gotten more mins... because we WANTED horry and duncan out there.

shaq only averaged 33mins in the ECF. wanna look up duncan's and horry's mins?

It is fairly significant considering that he shot 43% with most of his scoring opportunities coming within 3 feet of the basket.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Who said anything about 70 million? You're the only one I've seen trumpet that number for Mohammed, quit arguing with yourself.

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Someone didn't read the initial post in this thread.

I would take the better defender anyday. Nazr will be around for a while, count on that.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

It is fairly significant considering that he shot 43% with most of his scoring opportunities coming within 3 feet of the basket.

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with 4 shots a game?

.419% in 7 games... MVP of the finals.
.592% in 7 games... ECF loser.

So far there has been:
A trade Tim thread
A trade Rasho thread
A trade Nazr thread
A trade Tony thread

I'd like to see someone make a trade Manu thread and see who might we possibly get for him. Mcgrady? Or perhaps Peja or Rip or maybe even Artest?

i say lock nazr up for 3-4 years by then their draft pick from this year will give them more then good minutes his game is very similar to nazr's, also on sign marshall if horry goes

I don't see Horry going anywhere, so Marshall isn't coming to town. Horry knows when to leech on to a champion's tit and he has a nice tit to suck on now.