ESPN.com: Spurs talking S&T with Portland, Rasho for Abdur-Rahim

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Again, I'm trying to find the cloud here. So far it's that SAR hasn't played in a NBA playoff game.

I need something more. This is SAR for Rasho, people. You already have another starting center and TD is your backup.

Where's the cloud...?

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The lack of a cloud is a direct tribute to how much ASS our FO kicks!!

if this trade goes done
if duncan gets hurts spurs could win more games then without him



scola IS NOT A PROVEN NBA PLAYER FOLKS
the only good thing is he has played with manu
if he had not played with him would people still be as high on him

I know many here has always questions his d and rebounding

I was excited about scola. He was cheap but spurs should pony up the money they NEED TO BE A DYNSASTY WITH DUNCAN. MAYBE HOLT IS REALIZING HIS MISTAKE WITH DAVID

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Originally Posted by easjer

But we shouldn't rely on Timmy to be the back up. We should find a backup. We're stuck if Timmy gets injured and Nazr gets injured. It's fine for a few posessions against a smaller team, but shouldn't be standard. Otherwise, (imo, only) we push Timmy too hard and shoot ourselves in the foot if he goes down.

I'm not opposed to SARS. You make a good point about replacing Horry. But I think we can better fill that with Scola, sight unseen. He's younger, and plays well on the international stage. Further, we've got 2 years before we lose Horry, so I think it's worth sticking with what we've got for a year and then shopping out a center if it's not working.

Again, not opposed t SARS necessarily - my opposition lies elsewhere. I know, you'd think Rasho was paying me . . .

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I've got news for you...we're screwed if Tim and Nazr get hurt, even if we still have Rasho.

what if nazr or tim gets injuried

do you think spurs will win a title without duncan if spurs keep rasho?

THIS IS NOT GOING DOWN
SPURS DO NOT LET THIS GET OUT....
IF THIS GOES DOWN IT WILL BE WITHIN 24-48 hours NO MORE

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Originally Posted by easjer

To further expound, we've got a championship group. We've got a legit center and an athletic center, each with faults the other doesn't have. We've got rights to a foreign players who has performed fantastically elsewhere, but is a question mark - however we could bring him into a safe setting and answer the questions.

This trade creates more question marks - and it's for someone who is a bit of a question mark.

I don't see the need. Plain and simple.

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You speak wisdom.

you forget that SAR plays 4, he is a huge sorcer, he was almost a frachise player not totaly there but close, was major focus of alanta team

this means if TiM gos down SAR takes his place, we still have a chance to win games, and then Tim comes back right before playoffs and we have a great record so we play bottom level teams, and tim build s back up for playoffs
so if tim gets hurt SAR is actual a better option

THIS MOVE WILL MAKE THE SPURS START OFF well

also will keep all players fresh because they will not have to play as many minutes



manu will not have to play over 30 minutes a game ....

I think the Spurs thinking is:

1) Adapting to the new league. Today, players are faster ... especially power forwards. Having a huge center isn't as important as it was even a couple seasons ago.

2) Spacing. Like I said in that thread where I was advocating Donyell Marshall, the Spurs play much better when their power forward/center opposite of Tim Duncan is lifted. That give more room for The Big Three to operate. SARS could step away from the basket and still be effective.

3) Saving Horry. You don't want Horry playing more than 15-18 minutes in the regular season. With Duncan around 32 minutes and Nazr around 28 minutes, that's 36 minutes you have to fill with backup bigs. That's where SARS comes in.

4) Uncertainty regarding Scola. The Spurs scouts have watched and talked to this guy more than everyone on this forum combined. If they have an idea that he won't work in the NBA, then the Spurs have to go out and get someone who will work out. If the Spurs decide he's not what he's cracked up to be or that they're better off trading him, it's hard to go against the best scouting department in the league.

5) Trading one of Nazr or Rasho limits any bad blood that could arise next season. It makes the roles much more obvious going into the season. And let's face it, Nazr and Rasho are hot commodities on the open market ... even though it doesn't seem that way to Spurs fans that are spoiled when it comes to centers. Both of these guys can play and 75% of the teams in the league would love to have them.

Seriously, if the Spurs lost TD and Nazr, then it makes more sense to turn into a Suns' clone.

1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Bowen
4 Horry
5 SAR (yes, I know he's not a true center)

Might as well try to outscore teams then and SAR would help more in that scenario than Rasho.

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4) Uncertainty regarding Scola. The Spurs scouts have watched and talked to this guy more than everyone on this forum combined. If they have an idea that he won't work in the NBA, then the Spurs have to go out and get someone who will work out. If the Spurs decide he's not what he's cracked up to be or that they're better off trading him, it's hard to go against the best scouting department in the league.

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can't argue with that.

If Spurs Have Either That That Scola Will Not Work Out Or His Buyout Is To High
They Could Do This And Let Scola's Contract Run Out And Let Him Improve. They Would Not Have To Trade Him Yet
Are They Going To Go After Big Dog?

Well, if the Spurs do this then they would still have their MLE and LLE.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

So the Spurs might be looking at a frontline of...

Starters
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Mohammed

Bench
3 GRobinson
4 Horry
4 Abdur-Rahim
4 Scola

Someone remind me why this would be a bad thing. Granted, there is a lot that would have to happen for that to come to fruition, but still, what's wrong with something like that?.

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Because the Spurs would be trading a good , 7' defensive center who helped them get to where they were in the regular season for a small forward/power forward. Scola and Horry are good but one cannot play long minutes, b/c we need him the the playoffs, and one will be a rookie. Mohammed - who I like a lot - has never playeda full season with the Spurs. I think the Spurs would be risking a lot if they gave up on Rasho this offseason. Keep him through the season, see how Mohammed does over the course of 82 games with the Spurs, and then see. They may need him, and I fear they will regret it if htey trade him. A decent 7 footer is hard to come by these days, and Rasho is still one of the better centers in the NBA - after Shaq and Brad Miller it's hard to see who's much better.

If Holt Cat et al are ready to spend, I'm down.

Oberto COULD STILL COME

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Originally Posted by Supergirl

Because the Spurs would be trading a good , 7' defensive center who helped them get to where they were in the regular season for a small forward/power forward. Scola and Horry are good but one cannot play long minutes, b/c we need him the the playoffs, and one will be a rookie. Mohammed - who I like a lot - has never playeda full season with the Spurs. I think the Spurs would be risking a lot if they gave up on Rasho this offseason. Keep him through the season, see how Mohammed does over the course of 82 games with the Spurs, and then see. They may need him, and I fear they will regret it if htey trade him. A decent 7 footer is hard to come by these days, and Rasho is still one of the better centers in the NBA - after Shaq and Brad Miller it's hard to see who's much better.

If Holt Cat et al are ready to spend, I'm down.

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The Spurs have two centers other than Rasho and Rasho didn't really provide anything in the title run. He also has averaged under 30 minutes a game during his career as a Spur and his offensive production is downright abyssmal for a player of his size and skill.

With SAR you get a guy who compliments TD's offensive game much better and who at 28 years of age still has a lot of basketball left. You also get a guy whose game is much better suited to what the Spurs are going to be facing at the 4 in the NBA going forward. As it currently stands, a lot of time TD gets to rest a little when he's guarding the opposing backup 5s of the league defensively. If you still have Rasho coming off the bench, then TD has to match up with typically quicker 4s...

His FT shooting is too good for SA....he will have to miss more FTs to fit in.

Some may scream reading this but the way i see this i would prefer Nazr to get traded than rasho. TIMVP showed in the donyell marshall for Nazr that mohamed might get very expensive to re-sign.
you can not take the risk to send rasho elsewhere until you found a reasonable extension contract with Nazr that is in rasho's price.
Than you can do this kind of trade.

It is the only thing i care. Scola or marshall or SAR all have arguments but we need first to clear the future by signing nazr otherwise all this could be destructed next summer cause spurs could not have the money to keep their legitimate center.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The Spurs have two centers other than Rasho and Rasho didn't really provide anything in the title run. He also has averaged under 30 minutes a game during his career as a Spur and his offensive production is downright abyssmal for a player of his size and skill.

With SAR you get a guy who compliments TD's offensive game much better and who at 28 years of age still has a lot of basketball left. You also get a guy whose game is much better suited to what the Spurs are going to be facing at the 4 in the NBA going forward. As it currently stands, a lot of time TD gets to rest a little when he's guarding the opposing backup 5s of the league defensively. If you still have Rasho coming off the bench, then TD has to match up with typically quicker 4s...

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Marcus, I remember when we were calling for him to come to SA in 00, maybe we will finally get our wish, eh?

:)

So instead of "Kersey for Rahim", it might end up being "Rasho for Rahim"....wtf is Flea Flicker?

normally i'd say dont fuck with a good thing. we have depth at every spot except the small forward. but getting a guy like sar who can score points in case timmy went out for a while. or to get him TRUE rest, along with robbert horry... DO IT. extend nazr fast too... lock these bitches up and win a few titles.

Don't forget that we also have rights to a certain Lithuanian center who is doing all right in the Euro league = hint he recently won a MVP.

He does not just score, he scores without taking a lot of shots, he is efficient, and that means that he will not be taking a lot of looks away from Manu, TP and TD, and that is a bonus.

SAR certainly knows how to get to the line, unlike Radosoft, and he knows how to convert from there.