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It's not even a maybe, if the other GMs were stupid enough to offer up any of those players for Manu, SA would be stupid not to jump at it. Manu's a great player, but he'll never be a consistent 30+, dominant player. All of those guys are.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxMulder
He's definately top 5.
Finally someone with some sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Latifah
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Originally Posted by King Latifah
That's very bad from a Spurs fan... you should know what Ginobili is capable of doing..and you should know that he's the best spot for the spurs.
lebron would be the only player that I would be willing to trade for manu if you could equal out their contracts. I would take lebron because he's young and is a pretty darn good player.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxMulder
Wade doesn't have a good enough jumper for me to take him over manu, and imo I think they're equals.
I still think manu can score with the best but he plays a team game and defense. I don't see that from kobe. I'm starting to see it with t-mac.
The point is that I think all the usual suspects (Wade, Kobe, Lebron, etc.) could all do what Ginobili did...with Tim Duncan on their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxMulder
I don't know how you got Parker in there.
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Kobe and Wade had/have Shaq on their team, why should Manu be penalized for playing with Duncan? Lebron is the only you could make an argument with.Quote:
Originally Posted by caspian
I'll take the first three-Wade, LeBron or Kobe over Manu anytime but Allen in San Antonio? Nope :nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by King Latifah
BTW,based efficiency ratings, Allen is ranked as #1 in the shooting guard position, i think Manu is currently ranked as #11(#56 overall), but it doesn't matter to me. we need no pussy:cat here.
same old Sequ :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by SequSpur
manu played better after the allstar break and helped his team win
james did not
I'd trade Manu for Lebron. Also, what does FWIW stand for and IOW?
FWIW = For what's it worth I think, not sure what IOW is
well, i am not a Manu obsessed as you are :D But, I saw Manu played amazingly in games 1,2, & 7. Disappeared in games 3 & 4. Cost us game 6 with his last minute wrong decision. and oh i also noted his 20 TOs in the finals series.Quote:
Originally Posted by psyco
You see, everybody is not perfect on this team. I am not idiot not to consider Manu's contribution to this team. But, obviously there's only one name untradeable on this team and his name is not Ginobili. So it is not a crime to think of a better option.
You people underestimate the "Kill" factor that Ginobili has.
The fact that, if he has the ball in his hands in the final seconds of the game he has a better than 70% chance of beating you.
There are very, very few people in the league with that capability.
I would list them as Manu and Kobe at their positions.
That is It.
Until Manu puts up this year's playoff numbers over the course of a full season, I'd rank swingmen:
Kobe
Iverson
Wade
LeBron
T-Mac
Ginobili
Having said that, I'm not sure I would trade Manu for anyone. Kobe would be a chemistry problem, Iverson is getting old, and he would be a chemistry nightmare. And the rest of the guys, even if I thought there was a chance they might improve the Spurs (which is debateable), aren't going anywhere anyway.
Iīm not obssesed but a think you forget that Manu was injured in games 3 and 4 - and really bad. Even when he and Pop try downplay...Quote:
Originally Posted by milkyway21
Everybody has bad games. Even Kobe trying to take 50 attempts or Duncan failing FT. Even I remember D-Rob making bad games, above all in the playoffs.
The only one who I've never seen hesitate was Jordan, but when was in the 90's.
Ginobili is not God. But is very important not only as a player but also in the locker room. He still humble even when he has won Olympics, Euroleague, and 2 NBA rings, 1 as a role player in his rookie season, and 1 as a big starter and factor.
Heīs not Kobe, Allen, T-Mac, Lebron or even Wade
Kobe is really good but he plays alone. He doesnīt play for the team. He just play for himself.
Allen is just a shooter. 0 defense
T-Mac is a shooter, scorer, make highlights and is learning how to play for the team.
Lebron needs another GM. And heīs making some moves that makes me think in Kobe automatically. Heīs trying to get involved into the teamīs direction.... I hope not but...
Wade is flashy and young but he play's with Shaq before Shaq he just was a great project just behind Lebron and Carmelo.
Of course if you just see a part of the picture then anyone is better...
Lebron make anything, is a media player, and is young
Wade is still improving... heīs better... potentially
Kobe is better scorer, was a media player... and nothing else
Allen is better scorer... and nothing else
T-Mac is better scorer but is still trying to adjust to a team game
Manu hasnīt the same numbers... but he does anything in order to win...
Heīs not as flashy or better scorer as any of those guys but ...
He know how to play for team making assists when is needed, taking rebounds ... and plays some D.
He hasnīt an star attitude, he still humble (at 28 is difficult to change that)
Heart, and Passion
And if somebody offers me a player to trade Manu for ... the only one I choose maybe (and only for his age) is Lebron.
But is just a dream as any of the other players.
Trade him for Kobe, the only winner will be the Lakers - and Manu with all the media coverage.... - with a good team player
Or trade him for T-Mac, Manu has a good relationship with Yao and he knows how to plays with a big men.
Or for Wade and he will be playing with Shaq.
Accept it... is a bargain for the Spurs.
Individually Manu isn't so great as Kobe, Lebron or Wade, and that's a fact. I'm argentinean, as well as a manu fan, but I'm not blind.
He doesn't have those skills. But what about being a team player? TD needs a Manu-like-player besides him. It's a question of chemistry. You need to be talented but very humble, to be able to play side by side with Timmy.
You have to be able to recognize that you wont be the n°| star of the team. And Manu hasn't a problem with that.
So, no, I wouldn't trade him.
Besides, if you make some cost-benefit analysis with these guys, Manu is the best player, because he is way much cheaper!
Well said. My sentiments exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBalla1001
Consistent 30+ scorers, what have you been watching? None of those guys are consistent 30+ scoreres except Kobe when he jacks up all shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Latifah
Spurs would be stupid if they refuse to get Kobe/Iverson for Manu???Quote:
Originally Posted by King Latifah
have you even been watching the playoffs???