Ginobili Status

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Originally Posted by Rick Von Braun

I actually disagree. Shaq would fouled out in 5 minutes using international rules. There is no natural PG in that team, and that starting 5 would be exposed to fast PGs and SGs.

It is really sad that after so many failures people here still think that a collection of star players is enough to win. How many times a TEAM has to beat USA Basketball so people realize that you need teamplayers with different roles and enough time training together?

Amazing!

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Agreed. I would like to see a team more like:

PG: Bibby or Daniels
SG: Redd or Allen
SF: T-Mac or Kobe
PF: Marion or Troy Murphy
C: Garnett or Camby

A team like that would give you some ability to penetrate and work inside, but more importantly, every guy in that lineup can shoot, which is vital in international play. You have a solid setup man at the point, a gifted pure shooter at the 2, an athletic swingman who can score inside or out at the 3, a good rebounder with some range to space the floor at the 4, and an athletic 7 foot shot blocker who can score inside as well as hit the midrange jumper at the 5.

Give a team like this a couple of summers together and it could definitely play the international game really well.

Tmac ......
KG ......
Shaq.....


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Originally Posted by strangeweather

Agreed. I would like to see a team more like:

PG: Bibby or Daniels
SG: Redd or Allen
SF: T-Mac or Kobe
PF: Marion or Troy Murphy
C: Garnett or Camby

A team like that would give you some ability to penetrate and work inside, but more importantly, every guy in that lineup can shoot, which is vital in international play. You have a solid setup man at the point, a gifted pure shooter at the 2, an athletic swingman who can score inside or out at the 3, a good rebounder with some range to space the floor at the 4, and an athletic 7 foot shot blocker who can score inside as well as hit the midrange jumper at the 5.

Give a team like this a couple of summers together and it could definitely play the international game really well.

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Peace to all men in the world!!!

I´ve seen th thread is turning into the Olimpycs, ok, nothing bad with this.

I like that team for USA, but we must add than they must have chemistry. And wanted to play....

being reallistic, USA didn´t send their best players last summer to Athens, also their best players didn´t want to play
...$ecurity reasons they said (ask Allen, VC, KG and Tmac).
Kobe was in big trouble (injuries and trials) and Shaq... well, I don´t know

No national feelings, no national pride?

Also they must have time for work and know the FIBA rules,
all of them were playing with new rules (not much, but key rules than never applies in NBA games) like steps in travelling or flying (just 2 steps LEBRON!!) and systems like Zone (Argentina used with USA ask Tim Duncan)

Is not a matter of names. You need a good team, time to work and know the rules and their role (no time for egos anyone must take and accept his role... hmmm! that's a big question to Kobe and Shaq ) and over all that stuff... good chemistry and NATIONAL PRIDE

Argentinian and Euro players played for far less money than they did in their pro - teams.

Dude, the Argentinian TEAM just get 2000 u$ each one after winning the gold medal!!!
and there was a doubt about Ginobiliplaying in Athens because they couldn´t affort the Injuries-Secure for SA!!
Magnano (coach) didn´t want to re-sign because he was paid in 2000 pesos (600 u$) per month!!!

They just played for the Country pride... if team USA can do this then they are the best.

E. G: Serbia is better in talent than Argentina, but some of them didn´t want to play (Vlade, and Peja) and the others were worried about their minutes on the court. They were 8th...


After Athens 2004 (and 2004 Finals... remember LA against Detroit?) we must said than not only talented players with a good coach win ... a good team does...
Now you must PROVE than your team is better...

(Again sorry about my poor English)

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Originally Posted by FoxMulder

No national feelings, no national pride?

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American basketball players grew up dreaming of playing in the NBA, not playing for their country. I imagine that if you asked them, the vast majority of American players would rather win an NBA title in their careers than an Olympic medal.

A lot of that just comes from the fact that Americans were so dominant for so many decades in Olympic basketball that it wasn't considered as major an accomplishment. And some of it from the fact that the NBA has always been the place where you face the highest level of competition in basketball.

Obviously, that's changed now. And as everyone finally realizes it, I imagine there will be a lot more guys who want to play for the American team and are willing to make sacrifices to do so. There will still be guys who would rather sit out the Olympics to concentrate on the games they get paid to play in, but we don't need those guys -- we need the guys who are willing to fight and play hard.

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Originally Posted by strangeweather

American basketball players grew up dreaming of playing in the NBA, not playing for their country. I imagine that if you asked them, the vast majority of American players would rather win an NBA title in their careers than an Olympic medal.

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I think you are right in term of idealization (if this word exists :lol); when your domestic competition is the big one, you trend to consider that the sky is there; which is right in terms of bball.

The rest of the world (At least in South America) we consider the World Cup and Olimpycs as THE EVENTS, so we priorise these competitions.

Which everybody should consider is that USA BBALL no longer could guaranteed Gold Medal if they dont change the axis of their team ... they do not need 12 Star or SuperStar or Galatic ... they need:

1) A team

2) Practice ... no two weeks, at least a month (under FIBA's rule)

3) Forget about "Star treatment" when you got a bad refs in FIBA they are horrible for both team :lol

PS: I respect the honor and the heart that TIM and AI put in Olimpyc, I remember AI with red eyes when USA Flag was raised ... that look deserves a MEDAL, because he was proud of being there, no matter of what colour was his medal.

Ray Allen is an All Star, but i don´t see him last weekend in Connecticut

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Originally Posted by WalterBenitez

they need:

1) A team

2) Practice ... no two weeks, at least a month (under FIBA's rule)

3) Forget about "Star treatment" when you got a bad refs in FIBA they are horrible for both team :lol

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Amen. Also:

4) Continuity. Try to get a coaching staff willing to make a longer-term commitment to the national team so that we have a consistent game plan, and try to get players who are willing to sign up for longer runs barring injury.

The 2-year plan we had in '03-'04 was a step in the right direction, but it was a flawed plan, and it didn't go far enough.

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Originally Posted by strangeweather

Amen. Also:

4) Continuity. Try to get a coaching staff willing to make a longer-term commitment to the national team so that we have a consistent game plan, and try to get players who are willing to sign up for longer runs barring injury.

The 2-year plan we had in '03-'04 was a step in the right direction, but it was a flawed plan, and it didn't go far enough.

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Sure, I forgot Continuity that gives coherence and preparation, you are right.

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Originally Posted by ICE3000

Argentina still only beat J.V :lol ... the world hasnt seen a team that really gave a damn about the Olympics since 92' I think this loss will the U.S something to prove and a reason for our top guys to take off there summer... remember our guys care more about money and nba rings and then Olympic gold in that order... but for now I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens and let have the glory of beating Americas B-team. You sir, talk a very confident talk but deep inside you arf hoping to see a complacent U.S where are top guys make excuse after excuse not to play in 08' so your little team can have a chance yall dont wanna see U.S in full force with a chip on their collective shoulders. :drunk

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BINGO!!!! When asked about his priorities, Manu answered:
1-TITLES
2-GLORY
3-MONEY
Multiply that for 12, and u have the reason why Argentina won.
note: our Olympic NT (no matter the names) was a step back from our Indy NT back in 2002.

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Originally Posted by ICE3000

DRAZEN was special along with Divac,Manu,Dirk,Nash,Manu,and maybe 2-3 others allthe rest=BUMS

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OK...I'll take 2 Manus in the NT and the Spurs :fro