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When Thompson and Curry are both in the game it's always going to be tough. If they're both hitting, there's not a lot you can really do about that.
But it will help if Harrison Barnes and freaking Draymond Green don't have the games of their lives. I'm wondering if Pop going to want to let those two shoot threes.
Expect A LOT of small ball and screen switching.
the most worrying thing to me is that Parker always gets shut down by length
Thompson defended him really well
the one thing i noticed though is that he took Thompson off Parker whenever Ginobili was in
so Ginobili will need to play bigger minutes in this series
When Green or Joseph/Parker were on Curry he either got open looks for himself or easy ones in the paint for teammates which we can't give up. I'd much rather have Parker on Klay and let Klay post him or take the tough mid range shots he did against him than let Curry create open looks against Green/Parker. That's what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
If Jackson doesn't learn his lesson and plays Curry 48 again next game I try to run him through picks defensively as well as running Klay through a lot of traffic and going at him inside. He likes to foul it seems and the refs don't respect him enough to give him treatment
Watching the game back, the Spurs really need Baynes to play. Splitter being out is absolutely killing them. They haven't been able to force the Warriors baseline at all this first half. Every Warrior attack is middle, middle, middle. You have Tim in an island down low. He's helping but he can't help hard as there's no shotblocker behind to help him. We haven't been playing the defense that got us here because of that lack of a 2nd interior presence. Looks a lot like 2010 Spurs without Tiago.
IIRC we forced the Warriors into tougher shots with Kawhi on Curry, but we'll see if that's sustainable.
I take issue that a three from 30 feet away is an open look under most any circumstance, and I'll let him take those all fucking night, because he won't hit enough of them to beat me. The twos he got for himself were really terrible defense by the Spurs, and they need to do something about that, but those guys followed ancient Spurs defense rules and funneled him into vapor because there were no shot blockers, and sometimes wasn't even any help. It's kind of hard to blame those guys. The biggest problem with the matchup for the Spurs is Danny Green, because Curry can rest on defense while he checks Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
You could be right, but I think I'd prefer Curry having to try to get his own shot inside, because that tires him out. Passing to a teammate is another chance to rest. Thompson is also a matchup problem and a rather good shooter. It's bad enough the Spurs gave up 20 to Harrison Barnes. You don't want multiple dangerous three point shooters hot, and you also don't want your star point guard getting beat on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
Those are all good strategies. I'm for wearing them all down. It's normally insane to have so many people in your rotation, but when you're playing younger, jump-shooting legs who are playing heavy minutes, just throwing bodies at them is a good strategy. Gotta be careful not to put crappy defenders in who allow guys to get hot. I wouldn't be against giving Neal some of Danny's minutes just to give Curry an assignment that he has to chase around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
Per ESPN's reckoning, Green actually did a good job on Curry:
vs. TP 7-12, 17 pts
vs. CJ 6-7, 15 pts
vs. Green 1-5 2 pts
vs. Leonard 2-6 6 pts
Of course, all this is confounded by the fact that Curry was clearly pooped in the fourth quarter, so whoever was guarding him then was going to have an advantage.
Not playing for a week and being rusty was the biggest hole on defense last night. Notice how the Spurs locked in after the first 40 minutes or so. They completely shut the Warriors down when it mattered most, and held them to a respectably low points total in OT. So basically the finals 15-18 minutes of the game was solid D (at times great D), but the first 40 minutes or so was shit D.
Not having Splitter hurts too. . . not to mention Duncan was sick. Curry may have dropped 40, but he was hitting 30 foot threes and shit. . .it isn't like there's a logical defense for circus shots. He was shooting like 80% on 30 foot threes. Ain't gonna happen again.
Our D is probably fine. What bothers me more is that we wasted the Warirors' expected choke game in game 1 already, then gave them a bunch of experience in OT where they nearly won. Sadly, they likely won't choke nearly as hard a second time.
I say give Timmy a break because of the flu. And as for TP maybe just a bad night in the defensive end.
At the beginning of the game, Green was running Curry ragged off screens. Even though Danny didn't shoot a lot, he was constantly screening him or forcing him to run through screens. I think that was a big factor in tiring Curry out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Green pretty much took Curry's cookie in the first quarter, especially when Thompson left with foul trouble. As far as I recall, the only shot Curry hit on Green was a step-back corner three. For as much credit as Leonard is getting for his fourth-quarter defense, Green deserves a lot of credit for holding Curry down in the first half.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
Parker didn't do a good job defensively on anybody, and Joseph just seemed to catch Curry once he already got going.
Prop for the stats. Goddamn...32 pts on TP/CJ. Seems like he was bothered by Green and Leonard's length though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoogarBear
First of all, Tim was sick and it globally killed the D game plan.
Second ST usually underestimate Tiago's impact on D, he is key to keep afloat Spurs D especially with his capacity to chase around out of the perimeter.
TP struggled on the D end but as already mentioned he played much better in the fourth and the 2 OTs, that's encouraging.
BTW we should thank everyday the lord that the Spurs have a clever coach that doesn't run into the ground his players the whole game. Sometimes it drives us nuts but no matter what he will give his players the proper rest. Except for a game 7, that's the correct choice, this is why a veteran team like the Spurs were able to keep up with young gunners like GS during 2 OTs
Timmy doesn't eat something bad Game 1 isn't a thriller, tbh.
Healthy TD + Tiago's return = better D.
Bogut was sure doing alot of moving screens...tHAT PIECE OF SHIT...he should have fouled out!!!!!
Tony on Jack is a good option; Tony on Thompson fouled Thompson out. Thompson is too long for Parker to shoot over him, and last night Parker had no cover going into the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Our guys will shoot much better in the next game, and that will put pressure on them guarding. They do not guard easily. They foul a lot when trying to guard close.
Diaw was the mvp of the game. Hope his back is alright for tomorrow, and hope Splitter comes back.
Agree with those who said we defend everybody else and let Curry get his.
I believe that we will win this series in 6.
agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gervin44Silas13
Actually, yes it is. I didn't notice, but I'll go back and watch again just to appreciate it. In the second half I saw Danny standing around with Curry checking him quite a bit, and didn't think it was a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Yeah, Green did really well on Curry in his first stint, forcing two turnovers and making Curry wok on D. In fact, if you want a good example of it, just go to the Spurs' first score. Green pretty much was playing peek-a-boo with Curry, and Danny ended up wide open in the corner when Curry got lost. Then Green missed a couple of shots, and I guess Curry stopped trying to guard him as hard, which led to Green not really moving much. (If Curry isn't going to chase him aggressively, then Green's movement doesn't really help the Spurs.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I was glad to see Green show some diversity on offense in this game. Curry letting him score 22 points off 18 possessions is nothing to sneeze at. If the Warriors let Green have that type of success in every game, the Spurs will sweep them.
You must be local. I had to watch the end of Bulls Heat and missed the beginning.
I'm in Philadelphia. They showed the beginning of the game on TBS. Also, I "came across" a copy of the game and just confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
As for issue #1, I believe Splitter will help improve that, along with continuing P&R contributions from Diaw. I would also concur with those who have suggested that Pop add a touch of Aron Baynes for some spot duty there as well. He appears to be competent in this area.
As for issue #2, that's a tougher one. I would hope that Parker can get it together defensively and summon the necessary energy to move his feet quicker. I would also advocate using Joseph and Parker together in some stretche, where the Warriors are going really small. I'd like to see how Joseph does on some of those quicker Warrior perimeter players.
A cool thing to note about Green at the beginning of the game is that he actually played well enough to prevent the cross match-up with Thompson on Parker for a time. In addition to running Curry through screens, Green also used his size on him in the paint.
I think that second part is critical to Green's development. He's going to be guarded by smaller players for as long as Parker is next to him. If he can develop a good post game, he'll prevent teams from putting a two on Parker.
I have one potential solution. Splitter was out, Duncan was sick, and CLEARLY hindered on D. BAYNES was rotting away on the bench. Pop I'm looking at you. Baynes could have been inserted onto the court for 5 minutes. We were getting rocked. If he played awful, yank him out. If he was successful, give him more minutes. Sometimes Pop is too stubborn. We needed a big in the paint to play D and rebound. We could do either for most of the game.
Pretty much anyone other than Bonner would be great. I just watched the first half again, and his defense was beyond awful. Blair has been killed on this board for his defense while he was on, but he caused three Warriors turnovers in his stint, and every single basket he gave up was a layup with Bonner failing to rotate or watching.