Tim Duncan is not for this series...

Good call OP.

Fuck it. Start Tmac....:lmao

A sick Tim Duncan is still better than any other big on our team fully healthy.

As mentioned in another thread...

Thank God you're not running this team.

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Originally Posted by Gino-Step

Diaw Splitter Kawhi should be the main 5's and 4's mixed in with a few minutes of Duncan and Bonner.

The match ups on the pick and roll defensively just don't work with Duncan. We end up giving up too much space to Curry on the 3 off a pick. Or Duncan comes out too much and Curry blows by for a scoop shot. Or if you come with help defense after the blow by, you end up giving a 3 to Thompson or a dump down to Bogut. What Tim gives you offensively with Postups isn't enough when the other team is jacking up 3's. You also need to create turnovers against this team and to do that you have to play small.

Diaw can full out switch on Curry on the PnR. Splitter to an extent as well. The other HUGE difference is on offense, Tim no longer creates anything for others. Yeah he'll shoot 50% if you give him 20 post ups but he's not drawing in the double team so there are no kick out threes and his passing has slipped as he's aged.

On the pick and pop, Duncan is capable of hitting that 17 footer, but he's not really a threat to drive / drive and kick. Diaw gives you that which leads to a ton of options on either wing.

Diaw - Leonard - Ginobili - Green - Parker = Best Lineup

Splitter - Leonard - Ginobili - Green - Parker = 2nd Best Lineup

Splitter - Diaw - Leonard - and rest one of Manu , Danny, Tony. NO NEAL.

Play Duncan when Steph is taking a break. Sorry but hard truth for this series.

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Good post. Would read again.

I will contact my man RC Buford and see if I can hook you up for the Spurs head coaching gig after Pop retires.

Duncan started out this series with a stomach virus. Thats why he doesn't seem as effective as we would like him to be. But I wouldn't bench him for the shear fact that hes is getting over it and I expect him to wake up any moment.

Yep that p n r that the GSW are running is killing the Spurs. Between Bogut, Landry and Ezeli, they are getting a whooping 15 points a game between them. Most of those points coming on put backs. Yep Timmy getting raped. Bonner sucking big time. Diaw cant handle them. Splitter is just too damn slow.

I wish some of you folks would at least find some proof of your comments before you make complete A $ $ of yourself.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Shit like this is why I can't read much in this forum anymore.

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Amen.

I understand the reason of this thread...BUT, Tim is playing great.
Any defensive improvement the Spurs COULD get when he is out, will be out weight by the offense we lose.
So I said NO, keep him playing.
What I want to see is a little more Baynes, given that Tiago doesnt look 100%. And if Tiago is not scoring, Baynes can probably do a better job rebounding...like I said, only because he is not scoring. Hopefully that changes on Sunday and Tiago kicks ass!

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Originally Posted by maverick1948

Yep that p n r that the GSW are running is killing the Spurs. Between Bogut, Landry and Ezeli, they are getting a whooping 15 points a game between them. Most of those points coming on put backs. Yep Timmy getting raped. Bonner sucking big time. Diaw cant handle them. Splitter is just too damn slow.

I wish some of you folks would at least find some proof of your comments before you make complete A $ $ of yourself.

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awww but what fun would this board be without the mocking of these complete ASSes

BUMP

Duncan was great on defense today, maybe even dominant, stupid timing for a bump:lol..

Offensively. Missed free throws, missed open jumpers, late in the 4th Bogut played some good D which made him miss at least 3-4 consecutive shots. It just wasn't his day offensively which is rare.

He is only shooting 41% but Tim is giving us 21 and 11 a game this series and 80% FT.

Wow so much epic fail here

OP is an embarrassment for us GNSF...can he become light grey?

:lol

BUMP.

Good job Pop.

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Originally Posted by Gino-Step

:lol

BUMP.

Good job Pop.

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Lame

IMO Duncan is hurting. He keeps dragging the leg and cannot even elevate the 2 inches he used to be able to earlier in the season.

this along with Parker's bangedupness and Kawhi's knee is the most troubling aspect

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Originally Posted by hater

IMO Duncan is hurting. He keeps dragging the leg and cannot even elevate the 2 inches he used to be able to earlier in the season.

this along with Parker's bangedupness and Kawhi's knee is the most troubling aspect

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Agreed. I believe Duncan next season will be coming off the bench. Spurs fans better be prepared. This long playoffs plus any injuries he's fighting off and a short offseason, this man will be aging very quickly heading into 18th year and year 38. Spurs have got to capitalize this year with whatever Duncan has left. Hope he can get you through Memphis which is moreso a series for him.

The good news is Duncan isn't needed against Miami just like against Golden State. (There is no way Duncan can defend LeBron or Wade off of a Miami pick and roll. Need Splitter or Diaw's mobility for that).

GO SPURS AND THANKS DUNCAN FOR THE MEMORIES.

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Originally Posted by Gino-Step

:lol

BUMP.

Good job Pop.

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How many games did Splitter play more minutes than Duncan this series? That would probably be a good indicator whether or not Pop agree with you tbh.

Spurs with Kawhi without Duncan scored 33.6 points more per 100 possessions.

Duncan was a pure liability. Look at his pure shooting percentage. Feeding Duncan the ball in the post and watching him go to work is not going to win you games. Especially considering he is not getting double teamed which means there are no baskets off of cuts or kick outs when you do that. Do I want to see Duncan back Gasol down with 3 dribbles 1 on 1? No. Do I want to see him take 17 footers all game? No.

What I would like to see is Diaw and Splitter cutting and moving setting screens and making the defense rotate to set up threes. Is Tim Duncan really going to get you more than 1 more additional offensive rebounds vs Diaw or Splitter would? No. So I just don't see any advantages of Tim Duncan beyond having him fresh and taking up some offensive possessions in the first quarter for 8 minutes and to start the 3rd for 8 minutes.

Basketball is changing. The league is going towards 5 Kawhi Leonards instead of guys on the extreme ends of the spectrum like a Steve Nash or a Dwight Howard. The game is becoming super versatile, super floor spread. Jackie Butler, Harrison Barnes, Paul George. Ideally, you have 3-4 of those guys on the court at the same time. A team of 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'7, 6'9 is far better than a traditional Chris Paul + DeAndre Jordan type combo's. Offenses can isolate 'mismatches'. Ala take out Duncan on the pick and roll. Post up Tony P. The only way to counter that is to put out a ton of Kawhi Leonards.

Tyson Chandlers of the world are now absolutely overvalued in a scientific Advanced Stats league. So are Kendrick Perkins. And I'm sorry but Tim Duncan's defensive mobility on pick and rolls can be exploited if you pull him out.

This is why Tiago and Diaw are so effective. What is important now on Defense is defensive spacing and cutting off lanes and showing on screens and being able to move around. So the fact that Tiago is not strong in a full out wrestle for a board is far less important than the fact that his feet and arms get to spaces before the offense does. This is also why he's so good at spacing and rolling on offense. 90% of Tiago's contributions offensively and defensively are made without a touch of contact with anyone.