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Tiago? He's not really 100% yet, and on the floor he doesn't bring spacing, which was crucially needed this game since no one was making jumpers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Be reasonable - Matt Bonner isn't a godsend, but you can't blame him for everything; he's not a scapegoat for why the Spurs lost.
Anyone who thought Bonner had somehow magically solved his playoff-choking woes versus the Fakers, better think again. The guy has no business on this roster and this series is simply further proof of that. Yet what does Pop do, in a time where the Spurs are needing a solid adjustment, he starts the bitch. Yikes!
He and Gary Neal are indicative of what is wrong with the Spurs role players. The Spurs are in need of well-rounded role players, who can play both ends of the court, not the undersized, underskilled, one-trick ponies, who, in addition to being 3-pt chuckers, couldn't defend their way out of a paper bag.
As many of us have said before. As long as Bonner is on this team there is always that fear of something like this.
Pop just cant resist, and never will.
I dont think anybody really thinks Bonner is THE reason the Spurs lost, but I think most of us agree that Diaw was probably a better option.
All 4 semi-final series are tied 1-1. That's pretty sweet.
But anyway, Boner the reigning +/- King had a +/- of -9 Not good Ginger. Not good.
Fuck it anyway, we played like ass and only lost by 9. Klay Thompson will not shoot 8-9 from 3 next game, he can't keep that shit up, nobody can. If he went with the law of averages tonight and being a 40% shooter from 3 point land and shot 4-9 we win. 8-9 from 3? That's some crazy shit that isn't gonna happen again.
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Originally Posted by sehui
Here is wtf is wrong!!!!
Genius coach cannot decide wtf he wants. Find a big who can defend and fuck the offensive crap! Make a fuckin choice. You want to be a team that defends- find players who can defend!
You want to play NELLIE - BALL? Then stop pretending you care about defense.
Hi FkLA, supQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
A little surprised we're 50+ posts in and no one has pointed out the obvious -- why Pop started Bonner.
The rationale is, imo, obvious. With no David Lee, GSW has no bigs who can defend outside the rim. Not outside the paint... outside the rim. Bogut's extremely effective under the rim, but doesn't have the quickness to be effective anywhere else. It's why we've seen Duncan get so many shots from the top of the key; GSW would rather keep Bogut inside to collect rebounds and clog the paint to prevent Parker drives. And it's a good strategy too.
So, how do the Spurs counter that? By sending in "another" offensive floor-stretching big. Duncan by himself is a reasonable floor-stretcher for a big, but you can easily use help defense to mitigate that. But put Duncan and Bonner out there together, and the Warriors, THEORETICALLY, are essentially forced to make their defense spread the floor as well. Someone has to cover Bonner out there... that, combined with Duncan being at the top of the key, leads to HUGE space for Parker to drive.
The question then becomes, what affects Bonner's +/-? Given that he doesn't shoot much, this should be obvious.... Bonner's +/- is almost entirely dependent on if Parker and the guards are successfully driving the lane, and if Duncan et al are hitting their jumpers. In Game 2 --- they did not. It's not Bonner's fault. Just like it's not to his credit if it's high. He's practically a decoy.
I do strongly agree with Charlie Sheen in that anyone who blames the loss on Bonner's performance is an idiot. His role is far too limited for anyone to sensibly think he's the main cause of anything, wins or losses.
I also agree with Sheen that silverblk mystix should either put up some real evidence to back his thoughts (other than "I watch the games") or shut his mouth. Arguing is great, but arguing without giving supporting facts makes you look like a child.
You sir are invited to a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spur Bank
Splitter didn't look right out there. It's not a matter of whether to play him without him practicing -- it's a matter of how healthy he actually is.
Not playing Diaw much at all doesn't make any sense to me unless Diaw reinjured something in game 1 and Pop can't play him -- even if he doesn't have Bonner's range, he can still shoot midrangers, and he's so much better in every other aspect of the game.
The one and only saving grace about playing smallball is having Kawhi out there. He has incredible reach and is a monster on the boards, so it's not like we're sticking Finley in or something. If we had had Kawhi to use against the Mavs in 2006 instead of Finley, we'd have another championship banner up in the rafters.
Your definition of role players, sounds like a starting caliber player.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Your definition of role players, sounds like a starting caliber player.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
oops
Danny Green should be a role player. Good on defense and a solid shooter. He cannot create his own shot and he is not an all world defender but he is solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjktkk
Matt Bonner should be the same type great shooter intelligent and determined defense in the post. He as a role but a good close out renders him worthless on offense. It's annoying.
Gary Neal otoh sucks at defense and if he is not contributing on offense then he needs to be yanked for someone else. His defense especially in the first half was an abomination. I feel encouraged because it seems we have figured out to at least slow them down. The second half defense was excellent. We just missed a whole lot of open shots.
You want evidence? Look at his freakin' pathetic playoff numbers since he got here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
FG%:
Regular Season, .468
Playoffs, .373
3PT%:
Regular Season, .417
Playoffs, .329
RPG:
Regular Season, 3.3
Playoffs, 2.2
APG:
Regular Season, .7
Playoffs, .4
PPG:
Regular Season, 6.5
Playoffs, 3.2
The clock turns May and he turns into a fucking scrub.
Just to recap the stats for those of you who want to ignore them -
He shoots 10% worse in the playoffs than the regular season, scores half as many points, and does nothing to defend the paint.
This isn't a surprise, teams have six years of tape on this guy. They aren't covering him at the offensive end, and they see an easy layup at the other end if he's the only one there to guard the paint.
Fuck Pop for trotting him out there continually to get skull fucked in the postseason.
sup DrZ... :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spur Bank
The fact that Bogut won't go away from the paint, no matter if you play Bonner/Diaw or anybody else, make the whole exercise futile. We've also seen, especially on Game 2, that the Warriors do recover pretty well to 3 point shooters, including Bonner. Which is why we've seen him time and time again put the ball on the floor instead of actually getting a shot off.
They're giving both Tony and Tim the jumper. That's going to be there after every Tim/Tony pick & roll. They also know Tony for the most part won't force the issue when facing a shot blocker, and will kick out instead. Which is why recovering to the shooters isn't that complicated for them.
Those are his career numbers since joining the Spurs, for regular season and playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
The minutes defense is a lame one for you, and just doesn't fly. Bonner's minutes, on average, have decreased by 5 minutes a night in the playoffs versus the regular season. That correlates to a 33% drop in minutes played for him.
So, if his stats dropped 33%, you'd have an argument. But his points scored dropped by half. His FG shooting drops off ten points, which should have NO correlation with a decrease in minutes. The only stat that drops in line with his decrease in minutes when looking at regular season to playoffs is rebounding, and let's be honest here - that stat is just absolutely comical. Doesn't matter if you're talking regular season or playoffs, show me big men playing the minutes he plays that can't round up more than 2-3 boards per game.
The dude is a poser, and he's burned this team in the playoffs more than Derek Fisher, Charles Barkley, Dirk Nowitzki, and Kobe Bryant combined.
God, this irritates me even more. I don't see any justification in going away from the frontcourt combo that produced excellent defensive AND offensive numbers all season long in favor of starting Matt Bonner/Gary Neal. It's irrational to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
2/10 troll attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
In the event anyone wants further details in addition to the cup Aggie just served Charlie:
"Bonner by the numbers. Reg season and playoffs"
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...by+the+numbers
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Show me big men that can shoot the 3 like he does, put it on the floor and either score or find an open teammate off the dribble? How many are there besides him? Like 2 or 3 in the entire league? Rebounding isn't his strength but he's still at least average at it.
He's got one on his team in Diaw, that's a hell of a lot more efficient at it than he is in teh playoffs.
What would we ever do without those two points he scored last night? The five other night. Yeah, he's bringing the fucking rain from downtown!Quote:
Show me big men that can shoot the 3 like he does
7 points and 2 assists so far in this series in 35 minutes. Yeah, that guy's a game changer alright...Quote:
put it on the floor and either score or find an open teammate off the dribble
7 and 2 in 35 minutes? How many AREN'T like him?!?!?!Quote:
How many are there besides him? Like 2 or 3 in the entire league?
Out of 469 players in this league, Matt Bonner ranks 343 in rebounds per game.Quote:
Rebounding isn't his strength but he's still at least average at it
He ranks 12th in rebounds per game on the Spurs. The only player who averages less rebounds is Patty Mills, and he's tied with De Colo and Joseph in that department. Last year he only had more RPG than James Anderson, Patty Mills, and Gary Neal.
The guy sucks.