Matt Bonner, Playoff Super Scab

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Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen

The only thing Aggie did was post incorrect stats for Bonner's playoff numbers. Sample size is too small anyway.

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You will be soo embraced at your coronation into the next PollyAnna Poppers Party!
Ohh ohhhh ohhhhhh!!
Chump is mixing you a drink as we speak.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen

Ok, now that you've got this moronic statement out of the way, where does he rank per 36 or 48? This is too easy.

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Bonner skyrockets to 264th in rebounds per 40 minutes when you include all. Like 5'9" point guards. :lol

Playoffs this season so far?
Of all forwards, Matty is 54th out of 76.
Which is really 54th out of 66.
The last 10 being players like Tracy McGrady with 2 minutes played entirely. :rollin

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Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen

Ummm... LMAO??? Diaw cannot shoot like Bonner can. Dude is not even close to the shooter that Bonner is. In fact, more often than not people do not even guard Diaw at the 3 point line.

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In fact, Boris Diaw has made as many three pointers in this series as Matt Bonner.

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In how many opportunities? Do you reckon he'd score more than 20 points if he got 17 shots last night? Just wondering...

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That's because the Red Garter Snake is afraid to shoot. He's put it on the floor and tried to penetrate (comical) more than he's thought about shooting this series. Simply, he's shook. Mental midget. Like every other close playoff series he's been a participant in since 2006.

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Ok, now that you've got this moronic statement out of the way, where does he rank per 36 or 48? This is too easy.

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Still not even on the right side of the Mendoza Line when looking at rebounds per 48. This is too easy.

Charlie Sheen gettin facialized severely.

Embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Anyone who thought Bonner had somehow magically solved his playoff-choking woes versus the Fakers, better think again. The guy has no business on this roster and this series is simply further proof of that. Yet what does Pop do, in a time where the Spurs are needing a solid adjustment, he starts the bitch. Yikes!

He and Gary Neal are indicative of what is wrong with the Spurs role players. The Spurs are in need of well-rounded role players, who can play both ends of the court, not the undersized, underskilled, one-trick ponies, who, in addition to being 3-pt chuckers, couldn't defend their way out of a paper bag.

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I just don't get it. What is the point of Matt Bonner, Gary Neal and other one dimensional role players/shooters that the Spurs keep signing in the last 5 years or so. Once the legit teams clamp down on them defensively and take away their shots, they become completely useless out there. There is no point to even having them on the team, let alone the court.

Why not just do what I want and get some guys that can rebound, play defense, crash the boards and make athletic plays out there to keep the ball alive? That stuff won't disappear in the playoffs like one dimensional shooters can/do. If you're not going to get shooting out of Bonner and Neal in playoffs, then why not get someone that will give you something more consistent like defense, rebounding, the ability to make an athletic play? That is certainly better than getting nothing.

NO WAY would Pat Riley or Phil Jackson start him on a contending team, ever. If Pat Riley doesn't have an All-start type player he would rather start a guy like Joel Anthony, because even though he can't score for shit, he can still play defense and rebound. He knows that, that goes a lot further towards winning than one dimensional shooters do. Pop has completely lost it with this approach that he is taking. He is a straight liar too. Talking about defense all throughout the season and then starting Bonner and Neal in playoff games.

Also, being smart a smart player like Bonner on and off the court is one thing, but that doesn't really mean shit if you can do anything out on the court after the defense takes away your only skill. The Spurs keeping Bonner because of his basketball smarts and always choosing him over anyone remotely athletic is just stupid. Einstein was one smart guy, but he'd have no business being on the court and starting for an NBA team looking to win the championship.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

I just don't get it. What is the point of Matt Bonner, Gary Neal and other one dimensional role players/shooters that the Spurs keep signing in the last 5 years or so. Once the legit teams clamp down on them defensively and take away their shots, they become completely useless out there. There is no point to even having them on the team, let alone the court.

Why not just do what I want and get some guys that can rebound, play defense, crash the boards and make athletic plays out there to keep the ball alive? That stuff won't disappear in the playoffs like one dimensional shooters can/do. If you're not going to get shooting out of Bonner and Neal in playoffs, then why not get someone that will give you something more consistent like defense, rebounding, the ability to make an athletic play? That is certainly better than getting nothing.

NO WAY would Pat Riley or Phil Jackson start him on a contending team, ever. If Pat Riley doesn't have an All-start type player he would rather start a guy like Joel Anthony, because even though he can't score for shit, he can still play defense and rebound. He knows that, that goes a lot further towards winning than one dimensional shooters do. Pop has completely lost it with this approach that he is taking. He is a straight liar too. Talking about defense all throughout the season and then starting Bonner and Neal in playoff games.

Also, being smart a smart player like Bonner on and off the court is one thing, but that doesn't really mean shit if you can do anything out on the court after the defense takes away your only skill. The Spurs keeping Bonner because of his basketball smarts and always choosing him over anyone remotely athletic is just stupid. Einstein was one smart guy, but he'd have no business being on the court and starting for an NBA team looking to win the championship.

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to you and SenorSpur's point, i remember reading somewhere that Pop loves finding guys who can do one thing really well. So this could be on Pop. Why he wants guys who are more one dimensional than being well rounded, I'm not quite sure. I suppose it makes the system sound better.

I like Bonner, but it's more on Pop for using him beyond his capabilities.

Still, I'm not giving up on this season yet. We'll see how it all shakes out. Regardless of what happens, this will be an interesting offseason.

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

to you and SenorSpur's point, i remember reading somewhere that Pop loves finding guys who can do one thing really well. So this could be on Pop. Why he wants guys who are more one dimensional than being well rounded, I'm not quite sure. I suppose it makes the system sound better.

I like Bonner, but it's more on Pop for using him beyond his capabilities.

Still, I'm not giving up on this season yet. We'll see how it all shakes out. Regardless of what happens, this will be an interesting offseason.

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It doesn't make much difference once an opposing team locks in on a player's one skill and takes it away. We've seen this time and again in the playoffs, where it relates to one-trick ponies like Bonner and Neal. Defenses simply force them away from what they do best and unfortunately they have no counter. Bonner isn't Robert Horry and he never will be. Neal isn't a backup PG and he never will be.

For all Pop's supposed baskettball genius, he's an idiot for not only believing in such a philosophy regarding one-tooled players, but also for gambling away the final years of Duncan's HOF career by wasting roster spots on players like these.

Bonner is a player, a scorer from the perimeter, beyond the arc, but not on constant basis. Sometimes he's hot, sometimes though he's not..& when he's not he's like a zombie :lmao

Joke.

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Originally Posted by jjktkk

Your definition of role players, sounds like a starting caliber player.

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Ever hear of Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler for Chicago? Darrell Arthur for Memphis? Or how about Jarrett Jack for the Warriors? All of which are contributing role players for their respective teams and all of which can play both ends of the court. It isn't rocket science. Pop has invested himself in a philosophy where he favors one-tooled players and it has continually back-fired on him. It's about time he get a clue.

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Originally Posted by T Park

May be true but he's not going to play a player big minutes when 1, hasn't practiced, 2, first any kind of full court action in almost 2 weeks.

You can disagree, but those are facts.

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Then explain why Diaw played 26 minutes in game 1 and only 7 minutes in game 2 especially after his great game 1 performance. When ball movement and defending players on the perimeter (on the switch) are needed, why would one play Bonner over Diaw?

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Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen

No, they aren't. In the playoffs he has shot 40% FG and 37% 3PTFG for the spurs in his career.



Actually, it isn't. 5 minutes per game is huge when he's already playing extremely limited minutes as-is.


Show me big men that can shoot the 3 like he does, put it on the floor and either score or find an open teammate off the dribble? How many are there besides him? Like 2 or 3 in the entire league? Rebounding isn't his strength but he's still at least average at it. If you want to say he's awful at blocking shots, I'd agree with you, but his rebounding is fine.

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Okay he helped the Spurs once in the 1st series..but that was it SO FAR!
Even if Bonner can shoot 42% from the 3pt line but IF HE'S AFRAID TO SHOOT EVERYTIME HE'S ON THE FLOOR, the high % don't matter.

that guy has no guts or the confidence...even if he has the ball & he's open, there's no guaranty he'll let it fly..

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Originally Posted by Spur Bank

A little surprised we're 50+ posts in and no one has pointed out the obvious -- why Pop started Bonner.

The rationale is, imo, obvious. With no David Lee, GSW has no bigs who can defend outside the rim. Not outside the paint... outside the rim. Bogut's extremely effective under the rim, but doesn't have the quickness to be effective anywhere else. It's why we've seen Duncan get so many shots from the top of the key; GSW would rather keep Bogut inside to collect rebounds and clog the paint to prevent Parker drives. And it's a good strategy too.

So, how do the Spurs counter that? By sending in "another" offensive floor-stretching big. Duncan by himself is a reasonable floor-stretcher for a big, but you can easily use help defense to mitigate that. But put Duncan and Bonner out there together, and the Warriors, THEORETICALLY, are essentially forced to make their defense spread the floor as well. Someone has to cover Bonner out there... that, combined with Duncan being at the top of the key, leads to HUGE space for Parker to drive.

The question then becomes, what affects Bonner's +/-? Given that he doesn't shoot much, this should be obvious.... Bonner's +/- is almost entirely dependent on if Parker and the guards are successfully driving the lane, and if Duncan et al are hitting their jumpers. In Game 2 --- they did not. It's not Bonner's fault. Just like it's not to his credit if it's high. He's practically a decoy.

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This!

It is so funny reading you guys go back and forth about Bonner. No he shouldnt have been givin the start. And no, he didnt give them anything positive. But still, arguing over bonner?? :lol

What you should be pissed about was all the missed layups and free throws. That is what killed the Spurs.

The big 3 and Kawhi need to step up tonight. Bonner's threes (as well as Green's, Neal's, Leonard's, Diaw's, and everyone else's) will go in at a higher rate if the offense is playing effecient Spurs basketball.

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Originally Posted by milkyway21

Okay he helped the Spurs once in the 1st series..but that was it SO FAR!
Even if Bonner can shoot 42% from the 3pt line but IF HE'S AFRAID TO SHOOT EVERYTIME HE'S ON THE FLOOR, the high % don't matter.

that guy has no guts or the confidence...even if he has the ball & he's open, there's no guaranty he'll let it fly..

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The reason it worked in the first round is the Lakers bigs were so reluctant to defend him at the 3pt line.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

You want evidence? Look at his freakin' pathetic playoff numbers since he got here.

FG%:

Regular Season, .468
Playoffs, .373

3PT%:

Regular Season, .417
Playoffs, .329

RPG:

Regular Season, 3.3
Playoffs, 2.2

APG:

Regular Season, .7
Playoffs, .4

PPG:

Regular Season, 6.5
Playoffs, 3.2

The clock turns May and he turns into a fucking scrub.

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and to add, thats not even really getting into any defensive statistics....its not a coincidence the year he started playing significant minutes, the spurs have not won a championship since.

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Originally Posted by therealtruth

The reason it worked in the first round is the Lakers bigs were so reluctant to defend him at the 3pt line.

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The Lakers were overmatched, and Bonner on the floor against Gasol and Howard forced cross matchups. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Bonner was on the floor against the Lakers to foul Dwight Howard.

Matt Bonner does not move better than Tiago Splitter, so a lineup with him in it is NOT IN ANY WAY a "small" lineup, it's a lineup sacrificing defense and rebounding in order to generate offense. During the regular season, lineups with Bonner tended to move the ball around very well. The ball movement is currently not there against the Warriors, so either they've found a way to defend it, or it's run out of mojo. Either way, that means he shouldn't be in the rotation.

FUCK YOU!! This is just disrespectful to MATT.. Stop making thread like this man.. Have some respect for the guy.. His trying to give everything for this team...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

sup DrZ... :lol

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I have no idea what you're talking about. :downspin:

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Originally Posted by ElNono

The fact that Bogut won't go away from the paint, no matter if you play Bonner/Diaw or anybody else, make the whole exercise futile. We've also seen, especially on Game 2, that the Warriors do recover pretty well to 3 point shooters, including Bonner. Which is why we've seen him time and time again put the ball on the floor instead of actually getting a shot off.

They're giving both Tony and Tim the jumper. That's going to be there after every Tim/Tony pick & roll. They also know Tony for the most part won't force the issue when facing a shot blocker, and will kick out instead. Which is why recovering to the shooters isn't that complicated for them.

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Yes, sadly, I agree. GSW is defending the way they should defend ... give up the lower percentage plays (jumpers), defend the higher ones. A Bonner 3 pt shot is one of the highest percentage shots the team has, and they're athletic enough to cover it.

So far, it seems to be a case of a Warriors team that probably could have been defending this well most of the regular season, but "chose" not to, whether due to inexperience, age, rest, or who-knows. I had hoped... even expected... that their poor regular season defense was indicative of a team that simply didn't play good D, but it looks more like it's indicative of a team that wasn't motivated at the time.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

FUCK YOU!! This is just disrespectful to MATT.. Stop making thread like this man.. Have some respect for the guy.. His trying to give everything for this team...

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#1) pos Matty is a millionaire - don't feel bad at all for him

#2) Maybe the pos will get inspired enough to say "enough of this shit" and strap on a pair of balls and play with an edge;
a) no more standing at the basket with your arms straight up in the air while a 5'10'' guard shoots over him at will.
b) Take the fuckin shot if you are 6'10'' and have a smaller player running at you
c) If someone wants to iso you - it should insult you and you should foul the fuck out of the player if he is bigger or get physical and bully
the smaller player and make him pay for having the balls to think he can iso you.
d) At the very least use ALL SIX OF YOUR FOULS to get in someone's head and make them want to fight you! At least the pos Red Pussy
will be useful to the team.

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Originally Posted by silverblk mystix

#1) pos Matty is a millionaire - don't feel bad at all for him

#2) Maybe the pos will get inspired enough to say "enough of this shit" and strap on a pair of balls and play with an edge;
a) no more standing at the basket with your arms straight up in the air while a 5'10'' guard shoots over him at will.
b) Take the fuckin shot if you are 6'10'' and have a smaller player running at you
c) If someone wants to iso you - it should insult you and you should foul the fuck out of the player if he is bigger or get physical and bully
the smaller player and make him pay for having the balls to think he can iso you.
d) At the very least use ALL SIX OF YOUR FOULS to get in someone's head and make them want to fight you! At least the pos Red Pussy
will be useful to the team.

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:lol

Matt Bonner should not be called upon as the lone big man, that's not his strength. But as a second big Next to Tim or Tiago, it works on both ends. He's a good enough defender(Please stop expecting him to be prime Tim) and the floor spacing means we are really good offensively.

Also, we were outplayed, they have really good shooters, Thompson was on fire and we shot badly. Stop looking for a scapegoat in a role player.

Six minutes with nothing to show for it last night except three bricks from downtown. No boards, nothing. Calling him a mental midget would be a compliment.

Scab.

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Originally Posted by jesterbobman

Matt Bonner should not be called upon as the lone big man, that's not his strength.

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Matt Bonner has one strength, and that's to hit three pointers at a high enough percentage over a long period of time to allow him to eat up regular season minutes for the contributing players so they're fresh for the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by jesterbobman

But as a second big Next to Tim or Tiago, it works on both ends.

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1st quarter score with Bonner starting: Warriors 28, Spurs 23
1st quarter score with Splitter starting: Spurs 32, Warriors 23

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Originally Posted by jesterbobman

He's a good enough defender

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He's an abysmal individual defender, he's a horrific post defender, and he's a stupid team defender. The only reason his post defense numbers look decent is because he fouls before the shot so often.

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Originally Posted by jesterbobman

(Please stop expecting him to be prime Tim)

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:lol Expecting him to be prime time Boris Diaw is setting the bar too high.

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Originally Posted by jesterbobman

and the floor spacing means we are really good offensively.

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1st quarter score with Bonner starting: Warriors 28, Spurs 23
1st quarter score with Splitter starting: Spurs 32, Warriors 23

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Originally Posted by jesterbobman

Also, we were outplayed, they have really good shooters, Thompson was on fire and we shot badly. Stop looking for a scapegoat in a role player.

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We can stop looking for scapegoats because you used all of them up to defend a role player. :lol

Obstructed_view, why would you spend that much time typing up a post that makes no sense? If you're going to make six individual quotes, please, make a salient point in at least one of them.