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Lower quality shots don't go in. Shots that aren't in the rhythm of the offense don't go in. Designed three pointers don't go in as often as ones that are a result of broken down defense. The Spurs weren't beating anyone with twos, and suddenly had to rely on jumpers to save them. No jump shooting Spurs team has ever had playoff success. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
Good point. I think if you're missing shots you have to play even better defense. Eventually that defense will feed your offense and help you establish better offensive rhythm. It's hard to establish offensive rhythm out of thin air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
:lmao at ppl blaming this loss on missed shots
WE LOST THE GAME IN THE 1st HALF. 62 points. Warriors ran a train on Spurs D and called it a day. and yet, we lost cause we missed some shots :lmao
Yep, and the Spurs lost in 2006 because Manu committed a foul, not because the starting centers for sixty-plus regular season wins were on the bench.
If you can't hit open jumpers though then the opposing team will just clog the paint to prevent you from driving to the basket. To a degree this is what happened. Tony Parker couldn't get to the hoop because GS focused on taking away driving lanes and as a consequence we had open perimeter shooters. They missed wide open jumpers and that's a death knell to any team. We don't have a dominant power player like a LeBron James or prime Tim Duncan anymore to just take over the game. We rely on hitting wide open shots, just like Golden State does, and unfortunately we didn't hit them. Hitting outside shots keeps the opposing defense honest and allows Tony and others to get easy baskets in the paint. That's just the way it works : points in the paint and outside jumpers have a symbiotic relationship. You need the threat of both for the offense to really hum.
This is a very sold take. The warriors seem content to allow us perimeter shots -- until we start making them. And their length and congestion in the paint is definitely bothering Tony. GS will not spread out until we give them a reason to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pentagruel
That's not my point. Kawhi can't hit a shot. DG hit only 1 three. Neal and Manu were bricking all over the place. And a lot of those were WIDE open shots. I don't care if you say "Designed three pointers don't go in as often as ones that are a result of broken down defense." because there's no stat that can prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Point is, had the Spurs made those open jumpers, freethrows, chip shots, we could've won the game.
:rolleyes Yeah we lost the game on the first half yet we lost only lost 100 91.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
So you can't blame it on missed shots?
Can't blame it that Danny Green went 2/6 from 3's, 4/12 total? Or Kawhi's 0/3 from deep, 1/5 from the line? How about Manu's 1/6 from 3? Or Neal's 2/9 from the field? Spurs were fucking 5/21 from 3 (24%) and 35-89 from the field(40%) but sure you can't blame the loss on that because we already lost it in the first half. :lol
We got blown out of the first half because of baaaaaaaaaaaaaad defense and excellent shooting, that's a given. But saying you can't blame the loss on missed shots is stupid. I gave you the stats, I think you can do the math yourself.
Love Kawhi, but Jimmy Butler is having a more positive effect on his Bulls team. I think Kawhi will step up his game. He has to, if he doesn't this team will have a hard time getting past this round and higher. He has the tools...C'mon Chip...get him back online.
A lot of people who :lol @ the idea missed shots lost us the game weren't watching. Yeah the Spurs gave up a fuck ton of points but it looked like another epic come back was being written. If the Spurs just hit a few open shots instead of bricking everything they attempted then they could have won this game. It wouldn't have been pretty but yes they would have won.
We need D. In the very beginning we WERE making shots but so were they and we blinked first. We need enough D to make us think that we dont HAVE to make every shot. Then we'll relax and start sinking them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
You guys gotta remember Kawhi isn't healthy, he hasn't been healthy the entire season, and his type of injury can only get worse as the season progresses. That could definitely play a role in the decline of his shooting since its his knee that is bothering him. Tendinitis can be pretty painful and it won't heal until this off season when he's got time to relax and be a potato couch.
He's missed a couple of games because of his knee, and nearly every time I've seen him dunk he's almost always got a grimace on his face meaning his knee must still be hurting.
Kawhi's knee is fine. Any pain he has is minimal. Look at how many minutes he plays and look how he jumps and runs during the game. No hesitation in anything physical. What is going on here is he is just missing shots he should make. Sometimes, in a high pressure series, you can be off. Still think he's awesome and hopefully, he will start making those shots or work harder to get a shot closer to the rim. The dunks are oh so nice!
It's not your point, but it is THE point. A jumper, particularly from three point range, is not now nor will it ever be considered a high-percentage shot. The Spurs' offense has never ever been about making jumpshots except for the dark period between Oberto and Splitter. The Spurs allowed 61 points in the first half and were down by 20, and you act like it is less of a factor in the game because it happened first. You're talking about jumpers bringing a team back from that when the discussion should be about not allowing that to happen, which requires defense, rebounding and actual high-percentage shots. There may not be a stat to prove it, but you can't say you don't know it's absolutely the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
One of the cardinal rules of the playoffs is that you don't allow a good team to get out to a big lead. That can be true for the first quarter or the third. The Spurs' comeback in game 1 was the least probable in the history of the NBA playoffs, and you guys just expected the Spurs to do it a second time by jacking up a lot of outside shots.
You say "If only the Spurs had made their threes". I say "If only the Spurs had started their starters, played defense and used ball movement to get more layups". The former can come back and win a game once in a while, the second competes for championships instead of losing at home to 6 seeds.
The real problem is that Parker is hurt, he doesn't have that usual burst in his legs that breaks down opposing defense. Spurs are build around Parker's ability to do that, and all the ball movement comes after Parker makes his move and D collapses. He is really our only creator at this moment, with Manu being a distant second. So of course Spurs offense looks bad with a hobbled Parker, it might have not show in the regular season when defenses were not on total lockdown like in the PO, but it sure as hell shows now.
And on defense, its the same story. They have Jack, Curry and Thompson, all guarded by someone who cant prevent them from going into the paint. Usually we hide Manu on a lesser player, but the GS backcourt is so strong, that that doesn't really work to well here. Furthermore with Parker being hampered by injuries and not being to keep up with Curry, we have no choice but putting him on Jack. So that leaves Manu on Thompson, Parker on Jack, and Green/Kawhi on Curry. Which is just a total disaster, but there is really no other option. Everyone one of this 3 guys beats our guys of the dribble, and it just creates complete havoc in paint. They get wide open jumpshots, layups, dunks, easy 3's because of that. If Parker was healthy he could do a great job on Curry, Manu would be on Jack, and Kawhi on Thompson. That looks a lot better on paper to me.
And he can't make free throws.
FUCK YOU!! This is just disrespectful to KAWI.. Stop making thread like this man.. Have some respect for the guy.. His trying to give everything for this team...
I will stop making them when people stop making threads criticizing Tony, Manu, Matty, Green, Pop, etc. Everyone is giving their all but sometimes that isn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Kawhi is shooting 32.3% from three since the All Star Break, tbh.
Agreed. He was 5-11, tops in rebounds, had a steal and two blocked shots. Not great but not a reason for him to be singled out. Everybody needed and needs to do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
:lol
Yes, he was excellent at running the fast break and scoring there. In the half-court set, he was pretty useless, though, tbh, aside from putbacks on the offensive glass.Quote:
Originally Posted by skulls138
I don't mean to demean Kawhi, but our game is predicated off of Tony driving and dishing to open shooters on the perimeter. When Kawhi can't hit jack from beyond the arc, that means the only three-point shooter we have with the starting lineup is Danny Green. That's a problem, especially when Danny typically spends most of his time building brick houses during the playoffs.
Here we go again with that crap. Green has shot 8/15 from three this series. He's still doing his job from that end. The problem is that the Spurs are relying on him making more than 50 percent of his shots to win -- which is completely unrealistic to expect from any player.Quote:
Originally Posted by superjames1992
Plain and simple, the Spurs won't win if Duncan keeps getting beat by Bogut. Splitter coming back should help divide Bogut's attention, but the Spurs absolutely can't lose the battle inside. I know people don't want to hear it, but all that talk about Duncan turning back time and being an MVP candidate will mean nothing if he can't be the best big on the floor for the rest of the playoffs. I'll chalk the first two games up to his illness and having Bonner or Diaw next to him. But Pop needs to start Splitter to give the Spurs their best chance to play their brand of basketball. Green and Leonard stepped up in the first game; Tiago needs to step up now.
Not really disagreeing. Danny was really good in game 1 and, of course, made that clutch shot at the end of regulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
However, he was pretty terrible on Wednesday night and was certainly a reason (among many others) that we lost.
Anyone think Pop may have ruined Kawhi's confidence? Pop has been forcing Kawhi to sit in the corner, and he's capable of more, maybe Pop ignoring Kawhi hurt his confidence in his shot. Or maybe Kawhi has worked so hard in other areas that he lost his shooting skills. Either way, we need Kawhi to play the best he ever has right now.