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Originally Posted by DAF86
Actually, there were several instances throughout the game when they couldn't buy a basket and momentum was on our side, but Pop employed the strategy anyway. And it paid off handsomely.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I argue this strategy should be used as often as possible, regardless of the circumstances.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warrior...re-game-notes/
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As Anton Chekhov once said (paraphrasing):
“If you put a gun on the mantle in Act I of your play, that gun must go off before the play is ended.”
Gregg Popovich pitched just such a perfect set-up in Game 1 of this series. By intentionally fouling Andrew Bogut cursorily a couple times in the first half, Popovich planted the perfect seed in Mark Jackson’s head — and in so doing set up an entirely advantageous stage for his team’s closing run.
Since Jackson has acknowledged that the fear of the Spurs fouling Bogut led him to take Bogut off the court at the end of regulation, it was as if with 4.31 left Popovich just stood up and yelled down the court at the W’s bench…
“Hey, Mark, take Bogut out of the game now. My team’s down 16, and we don’t have much time left. We need to start going straight to the rim and then maybe get some pitch-out 3′s. We need you to stop running that damn 1-5 high screen that kept erasing every defender we put on Curry. In case you hadn’t noticed, we don’t have a Wilson Chandler who can switch or trap that pick. And while you’re at it, now that Curry’s run into the ground (thanks again for that — we didn’t have a clue about how to slow him down ourselves), keep running slo-mo iso’s for Jack. Don’t even think of running your offense through Bogut. We’ll foul him. I swear we’ll foul him.”
What Popovich’s Spurs hadn’t been able to solve in three brilliant quarters of W’s play and coaching — Jackson’s bold move to start both Bogut and Ezeli had creatively muffled all of the Spurs’ familiar first options offensively — Jackson suddenly solved for the Spurs himself with 4.31 left in regulation.
Honestly, I think I don't want many rest periods in the games against GS. Jackson forces his better guys to play way too many minutes, so rest benefits them even more than it does our old guys.
The fewer FTAs that take place, the better imo. Let Jackson ride his players into the dirt and lose the game by default while Pop keeps reloading the lineup and giving everyone rest.
I do agree that it should be used to take the crowd out of the game, to stop runs, or force Jackson to take Bogut out, but the rest part? That just benefits them really. I'm glad we didn't get 2 rest days between games too. That hurts them more than us. Look how bad Thompson and Curry were last night.
The Warriors have nothing inside without Bogut. Doing anything to get him out of the game is a smart move. Dude is a beast.
I thought it was extremely brilliant the timing of Hack-a-Bogut last night. I felt like the entire first part of the 3rd quarter the refs were really providing some home cooking to the warriors. All the calls were going their way. The Spurs got in the penalty mad early and it was as if Pop was like, "fine! if we are going to be in the penalty all quarter, we will control who shoots the free throws".
water is wet
It's amazing how badly GM's can blow drafts. The Bucks take this guy number 1 in 2005 and pass on Chris Paul and Deron Williams. And there is Marvin Williams at number 2 with Atlanta. :lol
The hack strategy is not gonna swing a 10 point differential, having said that the effect is huge.
I would use it, specially when the Spurs are up by, lets say, more than 7. As soon as the GSW call a timeout and they come with a new play, you hack.
Theres nothing worse for a player/team that is losing to have the opponent fucking with you.
Is like wanting to get up and they push you back down.
The crowd effect is also a bonus.
The hack is a mind and momentum killer, and GSW is a streaky team, young and with no experience, they will snap.
Pop is definitely in both Boguts and Jackson's head. I think Boguts is ok shooting fts but once pop starts to hack him you can tell his confidence just goes out the window and Jackson is crossing his fingers hoping he doesn't have to pull him
Bogut is very limited but he's big both in height and girth. When he's not hovering around the paint we get better looks all day long and we can actually pound the ball. Anything to spark his liability issues is a good thing, whether it's Hack-a or being aggressive so he can foul us and sit on that bench. The biggest problem with Golden State is that they're a jump shooting team and if we play defense and keep them from taking easy baskets they're hesitant to drive the ball. It was also beautiful how aggressive we were when they were in the paint. Bogut won't get anything easy and neither will the rest of the team
Then he would start making mid range jumpersQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Hit vs miss assessments. Bogut hits his FTs it's a bad strategy. He misses it's a good one. Intentionally fouling is not a good strategy because you stop the clock and give your opponent the time to rest and get points back or increase their lead. It's a desperation move for end of the game because there's no other option. You rarely see it make a difference.
Did it work? Who knows. He missed and we got the ball, but then if Manu hits that crazy three he shot in game one, we all talk about how great he is instead of what a bad decision it was. Hit vs miss assessments.
Yeah, because when they can't buy a basket, the only way to go is up. You want to stop them from catching fire. They could get 3 transition opportunities in about a minute and hang 3 long bombs on us, and erase the better part of a ten point lead. I'd rather have Bogut hit both once or twice (not that he would) than to get Curry and Klay on a roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
I hope Mark Jackson doesn't counter with a hack-a-Leonard strategy. We could be in line for a stalemate.
The Warriors will just counter with David Lee. Even at 50%, he'll eat the Spurs up inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
When they did the hack on Bogut in the 4th it was on the foul that put them in the bonus, meaning if they hadnt done it the next foul would have had them in the bonus anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
He looked worse shooting FTs at home than he did in SA.Quote:
Originally Posted by pjjrfan
David Lee can play about 5 minutes a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
I think that would actually fix Leonard's free throws pretty quickly. He is a better shooter and seems like he could figure it out. But, then again, I thought until the last few years that Timmy would fix his FT %. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Not sure where you heard that, but he completely dominated in his 3 minutes of action on Friday. I'm pretty sure he's going to see more and more playing time as the series drags on. I also don't think the Spurs will resort to a hack a Bogut strategy unless the Spurs find themselves backed into a corner late in te series. However, they might opt to put him on the line if he gets the ball and attempts to shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Golden State scores on average about a point per possession (I think it's like 1.03). If you assume they would have scored their average in the absence of hack-a-bogut, then hack-a-bogut only makes sense when Bogut is making < 50% of his free throws.
He was 1-4 on free throws in game 3 (25%), so it probably paid off there.
The problem with basketball is you can't do controlled experiments by going back in time. Maybe if we go back in time and we don't hack-a-bogut, GSW misses on 2 straight possessions for a total of 0 points in 2 possessions as opposed to 1 point in 2 possessions. Maybe they miss, but Curry gets 2 shot attempts which gets him into a groove later on as he knocks down 5 of his next 7 shots. There are so many confounding variables that it makes the analysis tough.
Because he was lucky that Bogut missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
People who think that Jackson will hack Leonard...why the hell would he do that? Leonard is an 80%+ ft shooter who has struggled in the last two games. He's not a bad ft shooter, he's just psyched himself out these last two games. I'd be stunned if he doesn't get back to being 80%