When it's all said and done who will have had a better career?
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When it's all said and done who will have had a better career?
Gold Medal Manu :tu
The only thing in his favour probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Ginobili. They've each won 3 NBA titles, and Parker has his Finals MVP trophy. But Ginobili also has:
- Euroleague Finals MVP, 2001
- FIBA Americas Championship MVP, 2001
- Italian Cup MVP, 2002
- NBA 6th Man of the Year, 2008
- Italian League Championship, 1999 & 2001
- Italian Cup, 2001 & 2002
- Euroleague Championship, 2001
- Triple Crown, 2001
- Americas Championship, 2001, 2011
- Olympic Gold Medal, 2004
- Olympic Bronze Medal, 2008
Parker will definitely go down in Spurs and NBA history as one of the best PGs to ever play, IMO. But Ginobili...that dude has been conquering the world since I had a single digit age.
NBA: Tony
Basketball: Manu
Agree nba tony by a million miles
Olympics. Manu by a hair. Tony did not have the supporting cast Manu had. Prime Scola, Nocioni, Oberto, Sanches, Prigioni, Delfino, etv etc
Overall Tony the superior player. Clearly
Tony has turned into an All NBA Player when no one thought he could, but there is really something special about Manu, and not only on the court.
Different type of players, to me. Parker's game fits better for NBA, that's why he's been 'more succesful'. Manu is more of a FIBA type of player. Team player, not great numbers, make important plays. Like Gasols, Noah, etc.
I agree with Bruno, Tony's NBA career has been better while Manu has had much more success on the international stage.
But while Tony did win a Finals MVP, I think it Manu's performance in the 2005 Finals was just as good if not better than Parker's performance in the 2007 NBA Finals.
I'm shocked there haven't been any CoM/CoT crusades in this thread yet.
Both are Hall of Famers, that's for sure! Both will have their jerseys retired! Tony has at least 6 to 8 years left in him in which he can win a few more championships and havea few more MVP type seasons. Manu may have 2 years left with maybe one or two championships left. Both amazing players and both amazing careers!
TP took a long time to develop into the player he is now -- Pop had to ride his ass. People forget that there were playoff runs where players like Speedy Claxton had to bail him out. That said, TP is still in his prime, while Manu is in decline. When Manu was in his prime, he was a human highlight reel. He would drive into the teeth of the defense and throw down thunderous dunks over groups of defenders. As he's aged, he's started relying too much on the 3-ball, so much so, that it has become a liability at times. Whereas Tony's mid-range game, when it is on, is almost impossible to defend.
Tony was frustrating to watch, early in his career. Manu is frustrating to watch at this point in his career.
Since TP started an NBA career 5 years younger than Manu, and since he plays starting PG, there's no doubt he will have a better NBA career, statistically, than Manu. Still, to close out quarters, Pop often puts the ball in Manu's hands.
1/ You tell that like there is many series through his career. When it was only one series where he had to be replaced and it was in his 2nd year vs the best PG in the game and he struggled for 2 games. Serie btw where TP is still the 2nd best scorer on the spursQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Btw Manu was older and was less effective than TP
2/ People (at least on message boards) don't forget it since every TP hater remind it very often
He became and stayed an all star caliber player since 2006. He was 24. Not that bad IMO
Tony is the more talented player and has more personal accomplishments in this league. Manu probably has the more successful international career and probably would've made the HOF even if he decided to never enter the NBA. Anything he does in the NBA is just icing on the cake. When/if Manu makes it to the HOF it'll be based mostly on his international achievements and not really what he's done in the league whereas Tony's a HOF based on his work in the NBA. Manu may not be as talented as a lot of players in this league but like Pop said he's probably one of the biggest competitors and it's amazing for being a 57th draft pick that he's accomplished as much as he has. Most of the guys drafted around him the same year you either never heard of or they didn't even last a season or two.
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Originally Posted by eric365
No hate here. Just pointing out that TP was pretty one dimensional early in his career. His improved jump shot took his game to another level.
International: Manu by a mile.
NBA: Tony, pretty clearly.
Overall, I'm not too sure, but Tony still has a few years yet to play at a high level, so he probably gets the nod. It would have been interesting to see what Manu could have done in the NBA if he could have came over here immediately when we drafted him in 1999 with four additional seasons.
Manu was clearly better than Tony until 2008-2010 or so, when age started to take its toll on Manu and Tony began to enter his prime years (and more importantly, finally started to consistently hit jump shots).
"When it's all said and done" is impossible to say because Parker still has some good years left but, right now, I would go with Ginobili. Ginobili has had that magical moment that were the 2004 Olympics and it's something that is missing in Parker's career.
And Ginobili accomplishments in Europe before joining the NBA aren't that great. His significant titles are a Italian league tittle and half an Euroleague title. What really makes his career special is that 2004 Olympic title.
Manu was the better per-minute player until this season.
He also has an Olympic gold, tbh.
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Originally Posted by hater
was this true in 2012 too? why dont you look up the roster, individual stats, and final standings for 2012? (can't do it for 04 and 08, seeing as france didnt even qualify...) I'll give you a hint, old man manu did more individually with an inferior roster and finished higher than prime parker.
anyways, career vs career wait for them to finish.
peak vs peak, they are very close but I'll take manu for his ability to do everything and his fearlessness. parker has never had a run like 04 olympics / 05 playoff manu
Gold over USA only gets him a hair? At least give him a toupee to cover the bald spot, because that shit's not happening again for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
People forget that Manu sacrificed his starter role for the betterment of the team. Had he'd been allowed to be a starter like Parker, Manu could have been talked about as one of better two guards of contemporary basketball. Instead, he'll go down as one of the better bench players to ever play the game.
manu sacrificed the team for international ball
The fact that Manu did lead Argentina to the 2004 Gold Medal is pretty remarkable considering the USA's absolute dominance in the basketball world ever since the end of the Cold War. That's the only non-US team to win the Gold Medal since the fall of the Soviet Union, yes?
EDIT: Yes, the last time the USA lost the Gold Medal aside from the 2004 games was to the Soviet Union in Seoul in 1988.
American Media likes to point out the following:Quote:
And Ginobili accomplishments in Europe before joining the NBA aren't that great. His significant titles are a Italian league tittle and half an Euroleague title. What really makes his career special is that 2004 Olympic title.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs_...li_100409.html
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The 6-6 Ginobili was selected by San Antonio with the 57th pick in the 1999 NBA Draft. In his eight seasons, Ginobili has helped navigate the Spurs to three NBA Championships. He and Bill Bradley are the only two players to win a NBA Championship, an Olympic gold medal and a Euroleague Championship.
Are you saying that those players on their primer are better than prime Diaw, Noah, Batum a d Pietrus? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by hater
are you seriously comparing a team that played together since their early teens to a mashup made in the last minute?Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
2012, no need for hypotheticals. compare the roster, individual stats and team results, nevermind their respective age. is 2012 argentina cast better or worse than 2012 france?Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
At the 2012 Olympics, France > Argentina.
Argentina just got damn lucky that Spain tanked to avoid being in same side of the bracket than USA.
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Originally Posted by hater
lol sons, please explain me how Tony is "the more talented/superior player".Quote:
Originally Posted by TMTTRIO
Tony has the better NBA career but that's 'cause he got to the league at age 19, played as a starter his entire career and is younger than Manu and Tim so he gets to be the number one option of a very good team that has two other hall of famers that can still produce at a respectable rate.
Needless to say that Tony is an awesome player that's why he can be the number option of a contender, tbh, but Manu is/was better, imho.
Manu was the most talented player . Tony has the speed and quickness
Tony has a Finals MVP but I'd say Manu played better vs Detroit in 2005. In 2007 Finals Tony was great but it was easy.
Tony plays more minutes and he will play more years so his numbers in the NBA will be better but Manu had a couple of better seasons than Tony too. And Manu had much better FIBA and Olympics career.
None of them was clearly the best player at their prime.
Imo their careers could be pretty even at the end . Tony has to win another championship to break the tie.
Ginobili will be a player always remember by the US reporters and players.
Tony Parker not sure.
Does this seriously matter if Spurs is out by Round 2?
Who the fuck cares who is better. As long as Spurs wins.
2005 Manu playoff run was off the charts tbh just the things he was doing was just insane 39 points against the Sonics in game 5 also just in incredible in the finals, TP has never had a run like Manu has. its close though who has had a better career Tony came in at 19 Manu came in at 25 more polished and adapted to NBA game quicker I think. I wonder what Manu career would be like if he came to the league in 1999, I wonder how he would do?
NBA= Tony
International= Manu by a mile