Tell me again about how much basketball smarts he has again. Please.
El Nono?
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Tell me again about how much basketball smarts he has again. Please.
El Nono?
No way that is a fucking flagrant, even the BSPN commentary team said it wasn't flagrant. Stern BS there.
it was the right play, BS call
You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I'm a Manu fan, but damn... you're up four. Let him get the layup, bring the ball back up the court up two points, and make them foul.
It was a dumb play.
LOL How was that the right play? LOL!!!!
I'm a Manu fan too. If ANYONE on this team should know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Because nobody in their right mind would think that was a flagrant foul. Put a hand on a guy's arm. There was no wind-up, it wasn't excessive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
It was a stupid play. Point blank
That was a terrible call.
lol Tony Parker
Dumb choking bitch trying to play hero ball
Thread of the year candidate tbh :tu
How the fuck is anyone justifying fouling not being the right play? Honestly
:cry leave Manu alone :cry
OP fail :lol
Manu did the right play. Refs fucked him over by calling it a flagrant 1. That bitch Allen deserves to get fined. :
OP fail :lol
Manu did the right play. Refs fucked him over by calling it a flagrant 1. That bitch Allen deserves to get fined. :
It doesn't help you win. People can say it was a soft flagrant - and it was - but its called a flagrant a decent amount of the time. Maybe not half of the time - because it was soft - but Manu pulls him down and doesn't make a play on the ball. And even if its not, he likely makes 2 free throws and you're in the same position anyway. If you don't foul, he scores the layup and then you get the ball back with under 30 seconds to go. They likely have to foul and then you just need to hit your free throws. It doesn't help you win and it actually puts you in a position for OT. Its not really difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by ffadicted
He hit his arm for crying out loud...TA easily could have missed free throws that shouldn't of been a flagrant, and if the refs didn't fall for TA Oscar performance everyone would be saying good foul
Manu just wanted to make TA earn the points, he obviously didn't know there would be a laughable flop and subsequent shit call.
We won a HUGE game to go up 2-0 and all you can do after the game is make a thread to bash Ginobili gtfo tbh
I trust Green at the end of games more now. He would have blocked Allen's shot.
Yeah I have a hard time being too mad at Manu for that. That's a foul you should be able to make in this league. I was more angry with Manu's sloppiness on the other end that led to that fast break.
lol it was the right play. allen sucks at free throws. like everyone said it was a stupid call even more dumb after the replay. the refs should get fined for that haha
uh? Fouling is the right play... that was no flagrant...Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
If he doesn't foul, he has to hear it from Pop... no layups at the end of playoff games...
You can't be this dumb.
the right play... the wrong fucking call. Even with the replay, they went straight shenanigans. NBA will probably rescind that flagrant and fine Allen for the flop.
MiG thinks Manu's to blame for 2006 when Rasho and Nazr were benched for the entire fucking series and he'd just hit a three to put the Spurs ahead. Reference to "will he ever learn" about two fouls that are seven years apart.
In the good old NBA days that's not a flagrant, now maybe it is. Either way I hated that call and I would have done the same, Allen is not a good free throw shooter getting him to miss one of two would have been huge. Fuck Stern and his pussified league, tbh.
Matt Bonner acting like he was going to set a pick and then shying away from it like a little girl who sees a bug tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
:lol He fouled in the arm. That's what you're supposed to do. Foul hard, clean and make sure it's not an and1.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
You don't give up two points, you make him earn them from the line.
Allen acted and sold some shit that will earn him a fine. Manu has nothing to do with that.
and lol @ the kneejerk bullshit when this game was entirely on Pop for rolling with -17 redhead for way too long.
It was a bad call. Refs wanted a close game and got whay they wanted.
I liked the foul there. Didn't know that type of foul is considered flagrant. Next time we know and should let the guy go, but I've never seen a foul like that called flagrant. Maybe I just don't know the rules.
He got the ball with two or three fucking seconds in the shot clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
Manu makes a foul that directly leads to the Spurs going in OT. If Manu doesn't foul - no OT. Manu apologists call it the right play.
:tu
The preceding turnover was lazy and stupid; however the foul was smart in theory but the refs changed the game when they made the worst call of the playoffs thus far.
Right play. (Turning the fucking ball over is another issue.)
Terrible call. Couldn't they see what a stupid-ass acting job Allen was throwing in? That was embarrassing.
It was the right play, he grabbed and arm, that´s never a flagrant foul. And the acting shouldnt be important here because normal refs would review the call and make it a simple foul call.
The play was right because he made a good foul in a moment when it was reviewable.
The refs still wanted to give the ball to Memphis, nothing to do with that.
Manu has a history of mind boggling decisions late in games but here, he did the right play since it was NOT a flagrant foul (plus T. Allen is a bad FT shooter)
Don't blame Manu for the collapse, he was fine. This OT is on Pop small ball lineup in the 4th and alsoon TP unability to shoot the ball in the 4th
if this thread is about the foul, this is a real stupid thread
it was a good foul. Tony Allen sold the flagrant to the fucking refs.
one of the dumbest threads in a log time if that's the reason IMO
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Originally Posted by urunobili
You know Manu's foul was legit when Hater is defending him tbh. Stupid thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
You know Manu's foul was legit when Hater is defending him tbh. Stupid thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
I am not sure you remember the play Ginobilir eceived the ball from bonner who had the 3, with 3.3 seconds in the shot clock, tried to put the shot up but he was being double teamed. Still the correct call should have been a 24 seconds violation.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
:lmao what a stupid way of thinking. it was a 4pt lead, Manu did not want to give the easy basket which is the 100% right callQuote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
there was nothing about the foul that was flagrant. :rolleyes
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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan
Agreed 1000%
What? Did you know that type of foul is flagrant? If not, it's between layup or pts at the FT line with 40 or so seconds left up by 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
So dribbling backwards into a crowd instead of going right and putting up a shot probably wasn't the right play.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Unfortunately this is what you get with Manu, you take the good with the bad. He plays by instinct all the time.
- Fouling Tony Allen would have been a good play under normal circumstances, but not when there's 20-odd seconds to go with a 4-point lead
- Trying to block Dirk's layup in 2006 would have been a good play under normal circumstances, but not when you're at the end of regulation, up 3
A 2pt game with 40 or so seconds left or 4pt with TA at the ft line. I'll take the latter.
I'm too happy with the win to dwell on this, tbh... it was the right decision IMO, and if he doesn't foul Pop unleashes on his ass... that's all there should be to it...
The choke in this game had very little to do with one play anyways...we stopped moving the ball and playing smart... hopefully some rest will help...
Why is it called a charity stripe if you have to earn your points from there?
It doesn't matter how bad the call was, he put the refs in the position to decide the game, this isn't a one time deal with this guy. It's what he does is act stupid
The problem there was not knowing how much time was left, when he realized he was already fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
It doesn't matter with what Allen did. That's a STUPID foul by Manu. No way to sugarcoat it. Even it's not a flagrant call, it could end up with 2+1 play. Plus, if he does this with LeBron and Wade (If Spurs can get that far), it would be more likely to be called a flagrant foul.
The moment it happend I told Jekka it was a flagrant, so I guess so. That play is a flagrant a good amount of the time in today's NBA. Not sure why Spurs fans in this thread are acting like its not. See way softer flagrants than that. He hit him on his arm and pulled him down. No play on the ball. Tony Allen sold it for sure but Manu put him in a position to do so to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Should have never gotten to the point where this play mattered anyway, tbh.
Oh, there's so much to be mad about in that fourth quarter it's hard for me to get worked up about this one play. (As opposed to 2006, which was colossally stupid.)
After thinking about it, it was a good foul. There wasn't much time to consider the strategy, and if it hadn't been called a flagrant, nobody would be saying anything about it.
However, the refs review . . . :lmao This might be the first flagrant foul in history to not just be overturned, but for the foulee to then get a flopping fine.
I review the play by play and there was 26secs left. I think you let TA go, but borderline.
I thought TD's dumb tip attempt on Tony's missed layup was worse. TD could have secured an easy RB and ran the clock.
Manu was in no position to foul him in a predictable way on that play, he was behind Allen. There were 3 outcomes possible there:Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
1. Regular foul, 2 FTs
2. And-1, possible 3 point play
3. Flagrant foul, possible 4-point play
Only 1 of those 3 outcomes is superior to the uncontested layup. The other 2 are worse. And, given the score and the clock, that was a risk he did not have to take, no matter how improbable the latter 2 outcomes were
Any time we start leaving Matt Bonner along up top with the ball we aren't playing our game right. We get into that mode sometimes and Matt just stands there looking like he just got caught stealing. Matt in the game means Matt at the 3pt line, he's a horrible defender and he should never get the ball up top like that. They ran that play several times and it caused them to force up desperation shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
We cannot win with Matt Bonner getting big minutes, can't happen.
His foul on dirk was the right play too lol
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No where near 40 seconds left when that happend. Under 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
disagree completely. Manu knew he was giving a HARD FOUL. there are no AND 1s with a hard foul. It was a clearly controlled hard foul. Tony Allen pulled the Flagrant ouf of thin air and the refs ate it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlord23
Oh, yeah. I was furious after that one. Called TD some things of which I am ashamed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2centsworth
Was a good play by Manu. 90% of the time that just gets called for a personal foul and he shoots his Free Throws.
I thought it was a good foul at the time, and thought it was a good hard playoff foul which Allen sold.
The end result was vintage Manu, however.
The foul by Bonner to ZBO was much more of a dumbass foul tbh...
I'll definitely agree with that. Plenty of blame to go around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurminator
the spurs execution down the stretch was shitty. plenty of dumb plays
you know it's a bad take when Magic JOhnson AND Bill SImmons agree with the OP :lmao
It was a bad foul by Manu. If you're Manu, you're options are:
1. Let him lay it in
2. Wrap him up -- which at most allows an and-1.
3. Foul him hard where you don't risk the and-1 but you risk a flagrant.
The Spurs were up four so either of the first two options were far superior. The third option is the only one that can end up tying the game.
I mean, obviously Allen flopped ... but you pull someone down with force out of the air and they land awkwardly ... that's going to be called a flagrant a lot of the time.
This wasn't Dirk 2006 dumb but it was pretty far up there on the bad decision scale. Rewinding further, the one thing he couldn't do in that possession was turn the ball over to give the Grizzlies a fast break -- anything else and the game doesn't go to overtime.....
You say that with the benefit of hindsight. What if Allen actually hit his head when he went to the floor? There are a lot of plays which are called flagrant not just based on intent but based on the impact to the player. Also, regarding the and-1, Manu pulled down on Allen's left arm only. Allen could have flipped the ball up with his right and made an improbable shot for the and-1. Even if it's a 1% probability, why take the risk?Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
I disagree with you completely. Even if you only watch ESPN highlights, you'd see many players making that shot by switching hands. It's not like Manu was in front of Allen and tried to block the shot. Allen was in a full movement to an open basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Yup no And - 1s with those fouls. You know what do get called with those fouls though? Take one guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
It's not like Manu was chasing after Allen. He was right next to him and all he did is extend his arm. I don't think Manu even jumped. He did not grab his collar or head, he grabbed his arm. Legit hard foul by all aspects. It's on videoQuote:
Originally Posted by letmk
Manu barely fucking grabbed him, it's actually pretty laughable that it was STILL a flagrant after the review, i mean what's the point of looking at it if you're still gonna get the call wrong.
You seriously going to tell me if Tony Allen had not acted like that it would have been a flagrant? Seriously? When is the last time someone sold a flagrant like that? take one guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
Manu is like a bean sprout, just trying to grow and thrive....he didn't know any better..
Tbh, that's a flagrant foul 100% of the time during the regular season. The only reason why it maybe shouldn't have been a flagrant is because it was the playoffs.
And Allen's drama queening was so bad that it actually hurt his flagrant foul case. If he just lays there, it would have looked more like a flagrant foul :lol
Matt Bonner in the game with under a minute left, and it's Manu's fault. :lol
:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
:lol at the Manu pile on this whole Playoffs. #20 will shut the doubters up.
Mannydempsey getting bombarbed in this thread
Always a story to tell, always someone else's fault with these Manu fanbois.
It was a irredeemably moronic play.
oh yeah and Matt BOnner's foul on Latarian was 10x more stupid
Every Manu haters posted here should GTFO of this forum. We expect a hard foul during Conference finals game... and Manu delivered. It was the right thing to do until an actor named Tony Allen performed on the court and the refs applauded. Fuck that call! Fuck every hater that thinks that was not a good foul to give!
right, that's why the league routinely upgrades fouls after the fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
:lmao we just won a great game and spursfan pissed
imagine if Duncan had not saved us in OT :lmao
Tbh, that flagrant foul call was karma for the third foul on Conley where he didn't touch Neal. The refs always make up for bad calls. I was wondering how they were going to do that.
That was Bonner's fault, not Manu's. He was dicking around on the possession, doing nothing and then hot-potatoed the ball to Manu with like 2 seconds on the shot clock 35 feet from the basket like "Here, do something."Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
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Originally Posted by SpurSpurSpurs
If Spurs weren't up 4 but 2, refs were not going to give it a flagrant.
They want a close game, a game winner, a buzzer beater or an OT at worst.
It's all related with:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...01#post6582801
(BREAKING NEWS: NBA Has Lowest Rated Conference Final Opener Since 2007 in Spurs/Grizz)
no it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
The obvious option would have been for Green to have pinned the ball to the backboard if Pop had kept him in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
totally. Hindsight he should of just held the ball and turned it over out of bounds lolQuote:
Originally Posted by roycrikside
That's nice and all with a nice cool head and time to think about it but on that moment all I remember thinking was "foul him and don't let him get an and-1", that's what Manu did.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
You mean the first 11 minutes of the 4th quarter weren't enough make-up to satisfy you?Quote:
Originally Posted by therealtruth
NBA will play damage control and Stern will call it a fair call.... Yup, no fine for Tony Allen I bet. Spurs played a lot of ISO ball but when they used pick n roll and attacked and dished they were successful. Refs tried to even the series up to legitimize all the love for Memphis and there "great defense"
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 100%duncan
If baldspot had let him score nobody would be calling it a bad play after the game win or lose
Horrible call !!if u want to get on manU
for the late turnover fine but the flagrant call was awful