What he could have done makes no difference. Only what he did matters, and what he did easily qualifies as a flagrant foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
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What he could have done makes no difference. Only what he did matters, and what he did easily qualifies as a flagrant foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
Ahh but it does matter. Officials judge a flagrant just as much (if not moreso) on intent as one poster above that you poo-poo'd so cleverly opined.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
No, referees do not make calls on alternate realities.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
Chump and TJ will argue with each other until they are both wrong.
Refs always judge by their own judgment /opinion/
:D
That is why they are incosistent as hell and every ref have his own 'way of calling'
In his prime you put up with the sloppy plays because he could break out anytime and put up a big number but those days are so few and far between. Manu has a basketball IQ of about -12, he just can't stop himself from making bonehead plays.. Spurs win the title in 2006 if not for.. Well you know..
Well as many times as Chump moves the goalposts its like trying to grab a live squid with one arthritic hand in in vat of oil blindfolded and under the effect of a tranquilizer shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
True, it's much better to start your argument while standing in quicksand.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
No goalpost was moved by me. It was pretty wasy to call that a flagrant foul. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
You're the one trying to introduce multiple timelines into a simple foul call.
Sorry peeps but this time the refs went the way of the MLB Umpires. A home run that was taken away even though it was a home run is the same as a Flagrant Foul that wasn't a Flagrant Foul that was called a Flagrant Foul. They even had the review and they blew that call. It's as if it's Ref shenanigans all over again. The only counter for that is MADE BASKETS.
If that playoff foul was deemed unnecessary, then why did Tony Allen get away with a clear trip that was unnecessary? Interpretation?
It was a questionable flagrant, too bad he couldn't get a little closer to the ball with the arm grab. Hopefully Allen gets some kind of retroactive flopping fine though.
As far as the bad looking Ginobili turnover, that was really not on him but the whole team. It was a team-wide horrible possession and he had no choice when he got the ball but to try and throw up a quick prayer. The main thing I think Manu needs to do is drive to the basket more, and early in the game we did a poor job of getting him touches for said approach.
Yeah. But it's not so much the minutes Parker's playing, it's how arduous they are, given Duncan basically reverting to '11 form offensively in the playoffs and Ginobili being nothing more than an ancillary scorer at this point (I'll give him next season to see if he has a Duncan-like re-emergence in him before determining if this is permanent). Parker basically can't rest on any possessions, he's literally having to create and/or finish virtually everything and that, along with all the off ball movement before he even get's the ball to initiate the offense a lot of the time, plus having to chase Conley, is taking it's toll. Keep in mind, with Parker's mileage, he's really closer to 35 than 30.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
That's why, even with the three day layoff, either Pop, Parker or both, needs to go to Ginobili and tell him he's got to be more aggressive offensively and take some of the responsibility off of Parker, if they're going to not only close this series out, but have a shot to win it all.
All that being said, they need to shut up about how tired they are after damn near every game. Even if it's obvious, you should never let your opponents know it.
It was a flagrant there is no doubt. It was not the good decision now this is not something to throw Manu under the bus. I understand for what reason he did it, in the moment it's tough decision and instinct take the better of you sometimes.
Some threads about it are pretty over the top IMHO.
i agree with td21 Manu has to be more aggressive at least to create offense.
Literally the same EXACT thing Manu did just happend and no flagarant was called
Exactly the same type of play minus the pratfall stunt from offensive player.
In the Miami Indiana game?Quote:
Originally Posted by emanueldavidginobili
Yeah Mahinmi did it to LeBron and it was LeBron and they didn't even call a flagrant but yeah literally the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
And I'm sure Hubie said "I like what we're seeing here. That's just a good hard playoff foul. Lebron is one of the best that we have in the league at scoring after contact. Mahinmi has tremendous strenth."
:lol
Yeah, I'm sticking with my original assessment. It was a terrible, terrible call - acting job notwithstanding. That's even funny to a certain degree. Whether he should have attempted the foul or not is a separate issue. Clean foul on the wrist with no intent and no excessive force is not a flagrant foul; but there is no point in arguing over it because at this point it's a moot point. People see this differently and no amount of stomping feet is going to convince anyone otherwise.
The officiating in the second half was as abysmal as the Spurs fourth quarter offense.
Yeah and Spurs DON'T win the 2005 title if not for.........Manu. Get over it already.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbreiden83080
Yes back when his skills outweighed his low IQ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alamode
Not even close to a flagrant. Manu made the right decision. No easy lay-ups in play-off basketbball. Allen embilished it to the world to see. You can't blame refs, they 're only human and got sucked in.
Threadstarter confusing adrenalin, emotion and competitive fire with lack of smarts. Since he one of the most emo posters around here, he should know better.