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Just saw it on TV for the first time with the playoff playback on NBA TV. Even worse on TV. It was an intentional foul and had he bounced right up like he could've as opposed to acting, wouldn't have been a flagrant, would've been a regular foul.
That said, Ginobili has to let him go. Let him have the basket, trade FTs and be done in regulation.
Intent is some kind of alternate reality that exists only in fairy tales. And anyway.... it's Tony's fault for blowing past these guys so fast that it discombobulates their brains and causes their legs to kick out unexpectantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
I'm just waiting to find out the results of Allen's ImPACT test.
Fact: Tony has part feline DNA and always lands feet first. Therefore, no awkward landing = no flagrant. See how that works? Simple if you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINJobmWeFc
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Originally Posted by T Park
I know this is going to be really unpopular here, but here goes:
Manu grabbed his arm and pulled him downward toward the floor. That downward continuation has been one of the criteria they apply to determine flagrant fouls. I've seen it any number of times in the past. They have said that the contact itself wouldn't have drawn a flagrant, but the continued motion (the rule talks about "follow through") driving the shooter to the floor did.
There's also the question of whether or not there was a play at the ball. Manu went straight for the forearm, because that's all he could reach.
The rule references the potential for injury, and mentions a player in a vulnerable position. That's mostly about a shooter up in the air. Allen was in that position.
Finally, the rule considers the severity of any injury. And that's where Allen's acting job came in. He did his best to sell an injury that didn't occur.
But based on the way the rule is written, and the way it gets called, that play by Manu was at least borderline, without the charade. A shooter in the air, no play at the ball, follow through drags him down to the floor, serious potential for injury. You can't blame the refs for at least considering a Flagrant 1. If Allen had done the exact same thing to Manu, there would be a lot of people screaming for his head.
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BTW - from the comments, some people don't know that the league reviews ALL flagrant fouls. And they do make the determination to downgrade them at times. Flagrant 2's get downgraded to 1's, and Flagrant 1's get downgraded to regular fouls. I'd say that, given the NBA's crackdown on flopping, Allen's acting job and all the attention it has gotten might just get Manu's flagrant off the books. But as usual for downgrades, it would be too little, too late.
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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
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Originally Posted by Splitman4evah
I'm a little worried that Grit'n'Grind are going to use Tony Allen's brain damage as inspiration ala "let's win it for the Gipper."