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And that is 100% the problem. I know that if this same crew were doing the Spurs game they would have called a flagrant on Manu. The NBA refs games according to who's playing and the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
I wouldn't be surprised if the Heat were down 4 with under a minute to play if that exact same foul would have been called a flagrant. There's so much impirical evident at this point it's foolish to claim otherwise.
:lmao :lmao
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Originally Posted by Dex
Is there anyway to make that .gif into a youtube video. That's great stuff. It needs to go viral!!
Flagrant foul rules are subjective. What constitutes "unnecessary?"Quote:
Originally Posted by spursince#99
100% hahahaha
seen that play million times without a
flagrant called
Only difference i can see is the Manu play was two players running the length of the court, while this play was two players reacting in a half court situation.
refs are not above making mistakes. we won, time to move on.
The league hates the spurs. Point blank, whats good for the geese is not good for the gander.
I don't think that the flagrant against Manu was anything close to a blatant mistake. I believe that he wanted to make a play on the ball, but he was too far behind to get there in time and ended up dragging Allen down (and on the arm that wasn't the ballhandling one as well). I guess it's justifiable to classify that as "unnecessary contact". And comparing the play to similar ones (or ones some might think to be similar) will only get you so far because a term like "unnecessary contact" will always leave room for interpretation.
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Meh. We got some calls in the first half of that game. I thought the officials in Game 2 were poor and inconsistent but somewhat even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
Manu held on and pulled for too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by quentin_compson
Flagrant is the correct call.
Technically any "foul" has unnecessary contact or else it wouldn't be called a foul. By the letter of the rule almost anything can be a flagrant foul, however the spirit of the rule was to punish for particularly dangerous or egregious fouls. Now what constitutes that can be subjective and therefore result in different rulings, but the differences in calls, particularly as they occurred in back to back games undermines the credibility of the NBA and its referees if there is no standard for the ruling(i.e. justification for each of the calls that can withstand scrutiny).Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
On a side note, although I understand the sentiment praising Allen for trying to do everything to win, its moronic for the announcers and everyone else associated with promoting the sport to do so. Think about it, hes willfully undermining the rules and breaking them to his (and his team's) advantage in defiance of the integrity of the sport. That would be like someone breaking into your house, stealing your shit, and then the cops rolling up and saying "kudos to this guy, he broke the law and got away with it. Good for him". You don't praise someone for shitting on the rules and duping the system.
Exactly... We got calls in the 1st half when the game wasn't on the line yet. Once the 3rd quarter hit and Memphis was in jeopardy of getting blown out again the phantom whistles started and the same or more contact wasn't called on the other end. If it just happened once or twice it's be no big deal, but it's a pattern that happens over and over now for years. It's not just the Spurs... it happens in many series every year. For example, the mavs were beneficial against the Spurs in 2006 then were screwed by it in the finals that same year. How come there isn't this controversy and evidence in other professional sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Look, I think the flagrant call was bullshit and I think the officials are generally shit and there is not enough transparent accountability or consistency in the league. I think Stern hates the Spurs, and I think the officiating was really off in game 2, but to claim that the officiating was a-purpose and/or ordered by the league in order to handicap the Spurs is silly. Here is why: the numbers for game 1 were out. Spurs/Memphis was even lower than other Spurs/opponent playoff matches. That generally has to be attributable to the small-market, far less glamorous Memphis.
While I fully expect the Heat to rep the East in the Finals, if you think there is a vast conspiracy afoot, then you are foolish to think that Stern wants any piece of a Memphis/Indy final. He's got more to sell with Spurs and far more hope of entertaining offense with the Spurs and his hatred of SA notwithstanding, the Spurs are a better draw from the West than Memphis. If anything, he should be hoping for them, because this WCF is nearly his worst nightmare.
The officials blew multiple calls in game 2 and were terribly inconsistent. The end. It's shit (and a little surprising, tbh) that a similar foul wasn't called a flagrant the very next night, but this is nothing new, y'all. Until we install robot refs, there will be simple human error and the fact there is an element of judgment involved means that you will not be consistent across the league, even if you were to use the same refs every game.
Meh, it's an excuse. The NFL and MLB have much much much more consistent officiating in the playoffs with their games often times just as difficult or more difficult to officiate with weather conditions and a matter of centimeters often times to judge. The NBA officials ref differently based on circumstances and it's extremely obvious. If anyone wants to be obtuse to that then by all means carry on.
Bitch will avoid this thread like a welfare ho' avoids a job fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by polandprzem
What's unsurprising is that we get an almost identical foul the very next day. There are literally hundreds of those types of hard fouls throughout the season.
Oh... btw ..my 2 cents
Mahinmi uses a lot of excessive force in this play ... where he was standing he could have simply wrapped up James' arms to prevent him getting a shot up at the basket.... instead forcefully throws him down to the ground. Manu otoh appears to grab the wrist and hold.. even pulling away after Allen hits the floor to show there was no excessiveness or intent on his part to hurt him.
Javie is full of shit and probably parroting Stern's agenda to avoid getting Donahue'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Could not GS fans claim the same about game 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
I think manu used more force tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by TJastal
Don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ploto
4th quarter FTA in Game 1:
GS: 8
SA: 7
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc