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I can understand him being frustrated but nows not the time for this crap. With the emergence of Cory it was just a matter of time.
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I can understand him being frustrated but nows not the time for this crap. With the emergence of Cory it was just a matter of time.
Really not a big deal. I'm sure all of the non-rotation guys, and even some of the rotation guys, feel like they deserve to play more.
Ugh. Why do all these off-the-court issues have to come up NOW?
Get over yourself kid :pop:
Cory Joseph is playing really well right now, so chill out Nando, grab a towel, and root for him.
seriously. like patty. cojo is playing better than you. the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursRock20
Looks like no Nando next season. Its one thing to feel bad, keep it in and support your team no matter what. Its another to feel bad and express it in the media. Your role on the team doesn't start and end if you play or not. One of your roles as a player on the team is to be the best opponent of the starters during practice. Just show what you got on the court. This is BS. Send him home Pop.
remember when roger "money mase" mason started talking out of school like this lol
He's garbage anyway. I fully expect for him to be gone next season. He also refused to go to the d-leauge.
Probably feels he can't be any worse than Manu.
This is no biggie, he is just being honest. He is not questioning Pop or disrespecting his teammates. He is just saying he doesn't like being on the bench. Honestly would you want a player who is comfortable staying on the bench every game. The kid has fire, which is a good thing. He probably should have vented to a friend or family as opposed to the media, but this is not a big issue.
Shut the fuck up Nando. This shit couldn't wait a few weeks?
So Jackson influenced him
He probably thought since he was talking to a French media source, it wouldn't get back to the American media. Wrong dude. Wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
These playoffs are definitely not for Nando.
Terrible Nando... I don't even want to see you on the team anymore. Don't even let him wear a suit.
France influenced him tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by spursparker9
Maybe the league is not for him. He might play more minutes with the Spurs next season but with any other team he won't. The Spurs have a system and if you can contribute something regardless of your weaknesses your strengths can be improved and you can get more minutes. In any other franchise he is going to get benched if his individual play does not surpass incredibly the other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky
We all wanted him to win minutes and we all celebrated when pop called him the backup point guard, but he never sustained his good play. One game looked like a playmaker next game was uber passive. Seemed scared to shoot at times, and his D while better than neals was still maddeningly inconsistent he could use another camp/offseason of work. Still has potential due to his size, ball handling, and passing
De Colo was terrible down the stretch of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
He played decently this season, but I wouldn't say very well. His lack of decision making at times and inability to create his own shot showed that he wasn't ready for the big stage. As for Cory, he has shown that he spent a lot of time working on his game. He voluntarily when to the D-league to get more reps in and it is his second season. Furthermore, he is playing quite well in the playoffs and should not be losing his spot any time soon. As for Blair, we would not be up 2-0 in this series if he was starting so I'm not sure what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
The only problem I have with it is this part
" The worst is that it is one of the assistants that tells me that I'm in a suit as if it was normal, but it will be before anything happened. The morning of the game, I was leaving after the shoot around and he said "Nando, okay? Tonight you're in a suit." You say shit. You do not know what happened. You're in a new series. You wonder why you, and not another. It is not obvious at all. At first you think it is a game or two. Assistants tell you that things can change and, in fact, nothing changes. "
If he would have left that out that would be better because that didnt need to go to the press. As long as he's only venting to French newspapers and not being a problem with the team then it won't be an issue. Dude needs to learn from the situation and work his ass off on defensive techniques and shooting this offseason if he wants to play more next year. Can't have a backup point to doesn't defend very well and can't shoot very well. Being very good/great at one of those things gets you minutes aka Joseph with defense and Neal with shooting (although he's sucked balls recently)
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Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Nando had a very streaky season pre-Parker injury, while Joseph was killing it in D-League and at the same time learning the Spurs system. We all knew Neal was worthless as a PG so when Parker went down, Pop knew he could have a little competition for the backup spot. Everybody got some fair run, Joseph did the most with his minutes, he won the spot.
I didn't really feel like NDC got wronged, tbh. He could be a guy who does a lot better in year 2. But for now, CJ plays better D, has at least as good handles, and can hit a jump shot. Nando is a better passer but that's about it.
well-he's not the first frenchie to go off across the pond. although, things did not sit well with pop the last time one of our frogs went public with his complaints.
Pop, time to do something about Nando, and I'm not talking about "making him breakfast".
Spurs need energy of the bench from PG position, especially offensively. Heck, if the Spurs need a french guy only to pass the ball, just get Diaw on a diet and play him at PG.
Creator - no. Passer - yes but can be too flashy for playoff ball against a team like the Grizzlies who live on steals. Shooter?? Haha
Besides, if Conley's blowing past him into the lane then his value decreases and I don't think he's quick enough to handle Conley. The most important things for the Spurs backup point in this series and playoffs are defense, ball security, and defense. Joseph is better at those
I totally agree with both parts of this. This isn't the first time a foreign player has vented to somebody back home, and it won't be the last. But the key is that he gets over whining about it and put in the effort to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
If he can get his shooting form and defense into shape, there's no reason he can't take over Gary Neal's minutes next year and use the inevitable injuries and rest days to audition to take over Manu's spot in the rotation when he retires -- not that he'll ever be Manu, of course.
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Originally Posted by Spur|n|Austin
As I said before, that’s the advantage of having two lawyers in the Family as Splitter does.
:lol
Bit of a non-story, tbh
-He doesn't need to create when Manu is on the court with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
-His passing ability isn't that much of a plus because he doesn't/shouldn't have the ball in his hands all too often.
-His shooting is better than Cojos? That's new news to me. Do you have a shot chart? They've always been nearly the same in my mind with Cojo still scoring off those cuts while Nando would drive to the basket then throw the ball away a la Prigioni.
Same reasons why Chalmers is a better fit than like Ricky Rubio in Miami. They don't need a creator. They have Lebron.
Maybe for other teams, but to me it's pretty apparent Pop wants 3 things in a backup PG:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
-Defense(this is the main reason i was excited that Pop rolled with Joseph, he awarded the spot to the best defender)
-Can hit the open J
-Can run the offense and not get in the way; iow find a way to contribute without messing up spacing, holding onto the ball too long, or being too timid
Obviously Joseph has number 1 down. In the RS he was a pretty good shooter, and it seems like he hits when comfortable. It remains to be seen if he can keep it up as the stage gets bigger, he hasn't had a confident J so far in the Grizz series, so we'll see. When he hits shots and makes good cuts, 2 and 3 kinda blend together, and the offense runs smoothly.
Another thing i like is his ability to finish at the rim, there have been a couple plays this year where he's made some really crazy layups through contact.
If you really want playing time for pop, this is not the way to get it
Spurs motion offense is not fitting for Decolo to play pg, maybe sg but not pg....
You're a damn rookie... did you really think Pop was going to play you in the playoffs? Do you know how rare that is? Obviously not.
This interview has already been posted and translated yesterday in the Think Tank forum:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6590211
I don't pretend to be great at translating but it's still better than the Google translation posted on that blog.
For the rest, I agree that it's a bit of a non-story. De Colo is just an ambitious player that isn't playing. He can't be satisfied by that. Pop surely deserves a lot of blame for the way he has manage the backcourt this season. He created a logjam of 7 guards and constantly changed his rotation this season. I also agree with De Colo being upset with the way Spurs announced he would be in a suit. No need to be cuddled but Pop could have taken a couple of minutes to explain him why he decided to go with Joseph, Neal and Mills. Communication is a big key in a team.
Everything started going downhill since he started complaining about playing in the D-League.
I'm waiting on you to post NDC's shot chart tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Which is moot anyway, he doesn't play because his skill set doesn't match what the Spurs need. Babby's first NBA thread
Yeah, on the one hand you want Nando to stfu; on the other, you like that he's not satisfied with how things went this season and you hope it makes him push himself a little harder and be a better player next year. I'd love that.
CJ 3 FG%: Career: .250 This season: .286 Playoffs: .222
De Colo 3 FG%: .378
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Originally Posted by manufan10
Oops
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_Brasky
We'll see what kind of drive/work ethic De Colo has this off-season. If it really bothers him and he has the work ethic, then he will find out what areas Pop thinks he needs to improve in and work tirelessly to improve.
That's not a fair comparison. Cory was in the d league for most of the year, where he shot 47% from 3pt land.
I never really saw a clear winner between Nando and CoJo. CoJo does play with a lot of energy, bouncing around like Tigger from Winnie the Pooh, but other than that...?
Oh well, Pop must have seen something that made him chose cojo.
Per 36 minutes
Nando
Pts 10.8 Fg% .436
Cory Joseph 11.7 fg%.464
Cory brings energy and does not disrupt the flow of the offense..
Also Nando fouls more, and turns over the ball more..
Although Nando has better assist average and rebound average
Nando played 72 games Joseph 28.
So obviously nando had way more opportunities this season to accomodate to the team and have better stats than Joseph, which he does not.Joseph scores more, turns over the ball less..
Both shot amazingly well in May, and the shooting of both fell off a cliff in April. Aside from Joseph's advantage at guarding traditional-sized point guards, it could have been a coin toss that determined who got the job.
Both are scrubs. The Spurs can get rid of any of them.
He's been doing it all season. You can go to his thread in the Think Tank for the interviews Bruno has translated if you want to read more.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
I think the fact that CoJo performed well when given the chance during the playoffs and Pop has just continued to give him the PT. It's the playoffs and TP is going to play a whole lot more minutes than RS, so there's not a lot of minutes left over.
In fact De colo ha splayed more games with the spurs in one season than Joseph in two...
Bad timing on his part.
Pop & RC should get on the phone and persuade Danny Ferry to take him in exchange for one ATLs 2 first-round picks (#17 or #18) in this upcoming June draft.
Joseph's 3 pt shooting at the NBA level is far too small a sample size to judge. His job isn't to shoot 3s as the backup point, it's to play defense and take care of the ball while making the occasional play. He's better at defense and taking care of the ball than De Colo, and whoever said he fouls less I believe is correct as well.
To me, it's obvious why Joseph got the nod over De Colo. Joseph embraced his coaching and not only accepted his assignment to Austin, but even asked for it once. De Colo bristled at even spending a day down there, and he can't keep his mouth shut about his role on the team. He's a rookie on a team with championship aspirations; how may minutes does he really expect to get? It feels like a Jack situation to me, in a way. He's so used to being the guy that he can't take being a role-player. If he had come into the league with the right attitude, he'd probably have Neal's spot right now.
CoJo is a MUCH better defender. His ability to come in and hound the ball for 94 feet is a skill that really nobody else on the team has at this point. When he's knocking down open shots - which he has through these playoffs thus far - it' s a no-brainer that he's of more value to second unit as currently constructed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Nando is better creator/passer, but not needed from PG on second unit at this time because Manu is running that show anyways.
De Colo is still the higher ceiling prospect of the 2, but not the more valuable for 2013 team.
It's not the same. I didn't mean it's not fair to Cory to compare, it's not fair to either one. If you wanna argue that De Colo is a hetter shooter go ahead, you could point to the fact that he has better NBA percentages and all that. But he has a larger sample size and played more this year than Joseph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
For Joseph you could point to his d league work, and yes i am very well aware that d league defenders aren't anywhere close to the defenders that he faces in the NBA, but the 3 pt line is the same distance and a hand in the face is a hand in the face.
In all reality though they're both mediocre. Joseph is just way younger and has more potential.
Bad form by Nando, but I can understand his frustration if no one is telling him why.
I think the Spurs would do that, but I don't think Atlanta would. Maybe if the Spurs moved their own first and a conditional pick next year too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
You think no coach on the Spurs has said he needs to be the better defender and take care of the ball better to play? I'd be shocked if they haven't communicated that to him all season. He's just not going to tell his French press buddies that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
How long before Pop asks him if he thinks he's better than other players? lol
Possible. If he's just flat out lying I'd consider trading him, but one would figure minutes at the 2 will be opening up next season. OTOH one could just sign Hanga for a more traditional 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisky Dog
You seem to have something against CJ. Why do you hate one of the hardest workers on the team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Are you trying to support your argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Haha you either think Joseph is worst than Vaughn or you think Nando will ever be better than UDrih or at leat as good.
I wouldn't consider it lying so much as just leaving out some info and venting in frustration. Also, it's possible the coaches didnt tell him that during the playoffs but have during the season and he's just leaving that part out. Either way, if Pop feels Joseph is the backup point then they might shop De Colo and see what they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
God damn it.
Sup KBP
Is Sacramento still in the NBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
He was getting his million no matter what. He could have refused his assignment (sort of), but even though he technically couldn't, he didn't have to embrace it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
He proved himself well enough to get a contract with the Spurs. He didn't prove himself at all in the NBA, and especially not in the Spurs' system. He didn't get it: The Spurs wouldn't have tried to assign him to the d-league unless they had real plans for him in the future. He wasn't ready for the Spurs; him refusing to go down to Austin wasn't going to change that. That Europe stuff wasn't going to fly; De Colo was easily the LEAST accomplished player on the team this season as far as the NBA goes.Quote:
Dude is a good player and has proven himself in Europe and on national teams, why the fuck would he just accept going down to the D League?
That was his mistake. Joseph is a veteran who looked good in the summer league. That was going to put him above a rookie. Even when De Colo "beat him out" in training camp, it was tentative at best. Joseph worked on his game, while De Colo complained about minutes. Joseph came back to the NBA with speed, defense and a mid-range/finishing game, while De Colo was still trying to figure out when to shoot the ball.Quote:
More than Corey Joseph, I'll tell you that.
He won the spot fair and square...it really is that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
If you would rather have Beno Udrih than Tony Parker now, that's your thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
You're acting like the move hasn't paid off and is hurting the team. It's not. The Spurs are winning, and CoJo is playing well. He's made the move pay off. I don't see what the problem is, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
The WCF is the perfect time to call Pop out.Quote:
Originally Posted by manufan10
Do you also think that James Anderson should still be on the team instead of Danny Green? That's a better comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
This. With Manu running the second team, what we need is someone whose primary skill is defending the other team's point guard. This puts CJ ahead of Nando. Probably, if Manu were hurt, Nando would get some time. But thankfully he isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
As to how Nando is handling his role, we should be watching to see if he's cheering our team while in a suit or sitting there silently PO'ed.
COJO's energy and defense has been terrific. However, he was a net negative in game 2. He couldn't score and he didn't create. He did hit a crucial FT, so I give him that. If Cory continues to play like he did in game 2, this series may not be for him, but he has earned another chance imo.
As far as Nando, he's not nearly as good as he thinks. He needs to sthu and give good minutes when his number is called.
Well, if we're lucky, maybe he can complain about how bad Pop is next month at a river parade. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Not his fault Pop took til the 1st round to make up his mind. That said, he needs to keep his mouth shut until they're out of the playoffs.
He'll have plenty of opportunity next season with the likely departure of Mills/Neal combined with Manu's annual injury vacation tbh.
I liked Nando as the backup for much of the season but have been real impressed with CoJo. Joseph is the ideal backup for Parker if he continues to progress, which i think he will. Nando is a great 5th guard to have on the rotation due to his size/playmaking so I hope he comes back in 2013-14.
He did with defense. They both honestly sucked on offense the last month of the regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Guessing that wasn't in the playoffs since a team playing Udrih at PG hasn't made the playoffs other than the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
I think Lindsey Hunter could still prevent him from crossing half court even now.
Yeah because he's never seen any French interviews of Tony in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spur|n|Austin
Seriously? Do you think he doesn't know this shit already? Of course he does, but why should he care? These guys are contractors, they have to think of their futures and by not being out there he's not building his wealth for the future. Some team will pick him up, you can rot on the bench in SA if you're not top 2 PG.
Pop awarded defense. How can you not love that?
Then he should go back there. He's not better than Joseph here until he gets an NBA game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
Joseph was a better starter than De Colo was, too. Pop gave them both a good bit of run toward the end of the season, and Joseph just did a better job.Quote:
He was more ready than Joseph, that's for certain. Up until these playoffs, Joseph hadn't shown a thing to suggest he was an NBA player. I think everyone has been pleasantly surprised with his contribution this playoffs.
Well too bad for your interpretation. Joseph has a year to learn the system and more importantly, accept and fulfill the role the Spurs had in mind for him. That instantly put him above De Colo in the pecking order, and Nando made it worse by being inflexible. Also you didn't seem to have a problem glossing over all the ways in which Joseph is better than De Colo.Quote:
I'd hardly call a player in his 2nd year in the NBA, who didn't sniff the floor last season, a veteran.