Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
ChumpDumper
Possible. If he's just flat out lying I'd consider trading him, but one would figure minutes at the 2 will be opening up next season. OTOH one could just sign Hanga for a more traditional 2.
I wouldn't consider it lying so much as just leaving out some info and venting in frustration. Also, it's possible the coaches didnt tell him that during the playoffs but have during the season and he's just leaving that part out. Either way, if Pop feels Joseph is the backup point then they might shop De Colo and see what they can get.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
Yes, I'm talking about the NBA player that was out of work essentially the minute he left the Spurs, and the one who was immediately a starting NBA point guard when he left the Spurs.
Is Sacramento still in the NBA?
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
What choice did he have? It was either that or put on a hat at McDonald's.
He was getting his million no matter what. He could have refused his assignment (sort of), but even though he technically couldn't, he didn't have to embrace it.
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Dude is a good player and has proven himself in Europe and on national teams, why the fuck would he just accept going down to the D League?
He proved himself well enough to get a contract with the Spurs. He didn't prove himself at all in the NBA, and especially not in the Spurs' system. He didn't get it: The Spurs wouldn't have tried to assign him to the d-league unless they had real plans for him in the future. He wasn't ready for the Spurs; him refusing to go down to Austin wasn't going to change that. That Europe stuff wasn't going to fly; De Colo was easily the LEAST accomplished player on the team this season as far as the NBA goes.
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More than Corey Joseph, I'll tell you that.
That was his mistake. Joseph is a veteran who looked good in the summer league. That was going to put him above a rookie. Even when De Colo "beat him out" in training camp, it was tentative at best. Joseph worked on his game, while De Colo complained about minutes. Joseph came back to the NBA with speed, defense and a mid-range/finishing game, while De Colo was still trying to figure out when to shoot the ball.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
This isn't about Corey Joseph. You know what? I love that kid and want him on the team for years. He's great to have on the end of your bench - keyword end. It's Popobitch I'm mad at for these horrible decisions. Joseph is not a better player than De Colo to start with, but now De Colo doesn't even get an explanation as to why he doesn't get any playing time all of a sudden? Did Popobitch learn nothing from the Udrih situation?
He won the spot fair and square...it really is that simple.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
I'm thinking maybe I should post the stats of Beno Udrih and Tony Parker from when they faced off?
If you would rather have Beno Udrih than Tony Parker now, that's your thing.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
This isn't about Corey Joseph. You know what? I love that kid and want him on the team for years. He's great to have on the end of your bench - keyword end. It's Popobitch I'm mad at for these horrible decisions. Joseph is not a better player than De Colo to start with, but now De Colo doesn't even get an explanation as to why he doesn't get any playing time all of a sudden? Did Popobitch learn nothing from the Udrih situation?
You're acting like the move hasn't paid off and is hurting the team. It's not. The Spurs are winning, and CoJo is playing well. He's made the move pay off. I don't see what the problem is, tbh.
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Originally Posted by
manufan10
You're acting like the move hasn't paid off and is hurting the team. It's not. The Spurs are winning, and CoJo is playing well. He's made the move pay off. I don't see what the problem is, tbh.
The WCF is the perfect time to call Pop out.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
This isn't about Corey Joseph. You know what? I love that kid and want him on the team for years. He's great to have on the end of your bench - keyword end. It's Popobitch I'm mad at for these horrible decisions. Joseph is not a better player than De Colo to start with, but now De Colo doesn't even get an explanation as to why he doesn't get any playing time all of a sudden? Did Popobitch learn nothing from the Udrih situation?
Do you also think that James Anderson should still be on the team instead of Danny Green? That's a better comparison.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
K-State Spur
CoJo is a MUCH better defender. His ability to come in and hound the ball for 94 feet is a skill that really nobody else on the team has at this point. When he's knocking down open shots - which he has through these playoffs thus far - it' s a no-brainer that he's of more value to second unit as currently constructed.
Nando is better creator/passer, but not needed from PG on second unit at this time because Manu is running that show anyways.
De Colo is still the higher ceiling prospect of the 2, but not the more valuable for 2013 team.
This. With Manu running the second team, what we need is someone whose primary skill is defending the other team's point guard. This puts CJ ahead of Nando. Probably, if Manu were hurt, Nando would get some time. But thankfully he isn't.
As to how Nando is handling his role, we should be watching to see if he's cheering our team while in a suit or sitting there silently PO'ed.
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COJO's energy and defense has been terrific. However, he was a net negative in game 2. He couldn't score and he didn't create. He did hit a crucial FT, so I give him that. If Cory continues to play like he did in game 2, this series may not be for him, but he has earned another chance imo.
As far as Nando, he's not nearly as good as he thinks. He needs to sthu and give good minutes when his number is called.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
ChumpDumper
The WCF is the perfect time to call Pop out.
Well, if we're lucky, maybe he can complain about how bad Pop is next month at a river parade. :lol
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Not his fault Pop took til the 1st round to make up his mind. That said, he needs to keep his mouth shut until they're out of the playoffs.
He'll have plenty of opportunity next season with the likely departure of Mills/Neal combined with Manu's annual injury vacation tbh.
I liked Nando as the backup for much of the season but have been real impressed with CoJo. Joseph is the ideal backup for Parker if he continues to progress, which i think he will. Nando is a great 5th guard to have on the rotation due to his size/playmaking so I hope he comes back in 2013-14.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
I'd be fine with that, if he had really won the spot...
He did with defense. They both honestly sucked on offense the last month of the regular season.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
I'm thinking maybe I should post the stats of Beno Udrih and Tony Parker from when they faced off?
Guessing that wasn't in the playoffs since a team playing Udrih at PG hasn't made the playoffs other than the Spurs.
I think Lindsey Hunter could still prevent him from crossing half court even now.
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Spur|n|Austin
He probably thought since he was talking to a French media source, it wouldn't get back to the American media. Wrong dude. Wrong..
Yeah because he's never seen any French interviews of Tony in the US.
Seriously? Do you think he doesn't know this shit already? Of course he does, but why should he care? These guys are contractors, they have to think of their futures and by not being out there he's not building his wealth for the future. Some team will pick him up, you can rot on the bench in SA if you're not top 2 PG.
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Pop awarded defense. How can you not love that?
Re: Nando de say it aint so
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Originally Posted by
Charlie Sheen
Nobody would be dumb enough to do that. At that present time, he wasn't even good enough to play in the shittiest leagues in Europe, so he needed somewhere to showcase himself. De Colo could go back to Europe and start for pretty much any team he wants and get paid more doing it. That's the difference.
Then he should go back there. He's not better than Joseph here until he gets an NBA game.
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He was more ready than Joseph, that's for certain. Up until these playoffs, Joseph hadn't shown a thing to suggest he was an NBA player. I think everyone has been pleasantly surprised with his contribution this playoffs.
Joseph was a better starter than De Colo was, too. Pop gave them both a good bit of run toward the end of the season, and Joseph just did a better job.
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I'd hardly call a player in his 2nd year in the NBA, who didn't sniff the floor last season, a veteran.
Well too bad for your interpretation. Joseph has a year to learn the system and more importantly, accept and fulfill the role the Spurs had in mind for him. That instantly put him above De Colo in the pecking order, and Nando made it worse by being inflexible. Also you didn't seem to have a problem glossing over all the ways in which Joseph is better than De Colo.