Ball Movement vs Hero Ball. It's a key.

It was the key difference not only tonight but all playoffs.

Late 4th vs OT. No comparison.

Parkers Kobme act is gagging. Happens too many possessions. Yes he needs the ball to get his rhythm going. Fine. But not ad nauseum and play like an intelligent point guard when you are not hitting. When he distributes as well as scores, we become 100 times better.
Ditto GNob. Yes i know sometimes his horks are just who he is and what he does. But he is reverting to Hero Ball to often. Stop that shit. Now. Wayy better when you are team ballin. Same with his defense. After his ill advised 3 point hork with a ton on the shot clock and 19 or so on the game clock, GNob compounded the problem by going for a Hero Ball steal vs Tony Allen. Easy foul call. We're damn lucky Allen choked his 1st ft to keep it at 86-86.

I agree

pretty much. occassionally Parker's heroball/tunnel vision will help us, but for the most part, the team and Parker are so much more deadly when he's less selfish.

Tony was tired, Pop should've called Manu early tbh

Ball movement is gonna win us the 'Ship.

Hero Ball is gonna sink the 'Ship.

Share.

Pretty sure Fabbs just takes a shit on his keyboard then hits Submit Thread.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Pretty sure Fabbs just takes a shit on his keyboard then hits Submit Thread.

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:lol

i kind of enjoy the ridiculousness of it though.

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Originally Posted by HI-FI

pretty much. occassionally Parker's heroball/tunnel vision will help us, but for the most part, the team and Parker are so much more deadly when he's less selfish.

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HI-FI

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:lol

i kind of enjoy the ridiculousness of it though.

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You agree ball movement is a key on O, or are you flip flopping?

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

HI-FI
You agree ball movement is a key on O, or are you flip flopping?

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i actually agree with what you said previously and my comment. when Parker can get past his tunnel vision and overdribbling, the team is flat out amazing. I just enjoy the overall tenor of some of your threads, especially the ones where you ask people to do stuff for you.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

It was the key difference not only tonight but all playoffs.

Late 4th vs OT. No comparison.

Parkers Kobme act is gagging. Happens too many possessions. Yes he needs the ball to get his rhythm going. Fine. But not ad nauseum and play like an intelligent point guard when you are not hitting. When he distributes as well as scores, we become 100 times better.
Ditto GNob. Yes i know sometimes his horks are just who he is and what he does. But he is reverting to Hero Ball to often. Stop that shit. Now. Wayy better when you are team ballin. Same with his defense. After his ill advised 3 point hork with a ton on the shot clock and 19 or so on the game clock, GNob compounded the problem by going for a Hero Ball steal vs Tony Allen. Easy foul call. We're damn lucky Allen choked his 1st ft to keep it at 86-86.

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Manu took nine shots last game. No hero ball there, tbh. With that being said, Manu can hero ball it up at times (5-for-20 in game 1 of the Western Conference Semifinals, for example), but not last game. That shot with 19 seconds left in the game was a good shot, too. Not sure what you are complaining about there, tbh. He just missed.

shooting % or nbr of shooting attempts aren't proof of hero ballin, the important thing is the context of the attempt, the shoot is it open , ist forced etc....
thruth is manu tp tries at time to take over games whith bad shoot selection, trying quick 3s (manu) quick jumpers, or waiting the end of the clock to play one on one that most time finish whith a to (tp) forgetting to create the offense we like based on ball mouvement.
that said i don't think we can be that severe knowing all the games they won for sa

sry for the poor english, hope i ll be understood

It is beautiful stuff right now.

Impossible to understand how a true fan of any team could not enjoy the 1st quarter sharing, movement, and screens.

69-63 GNob with the Hero Ball layup attempt. Way off.

2 minutes to go.
It's just two man ball.
Parker and Tim.
Gnob and Tim.

Popazit has taken Kawhi, Splitter and Green completely out of the offense.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

2 minutes to go.
It's just two man ball.
Parker and Tim.
Gnob and Tim.

Popazit has taken Kawhi, Splitter and Green completely out of the offense.

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if its not imperative to score, and they don't double Parker, then no, I don't want Splitter or Green with the ball out front running clock...

Good Lord... Anything, anything to discredit Pop. Exhausting work...

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Originally Posted by pgardn

if its not imperative to score, and they don't double Parker, then no, I don't want Splitter or Green with the ball out front running clock...

Good Lord... Anything, anything to discredit Pop. Exhausting work...

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Grizz pulled within 3. It was imperative to attempt to score.
You're not for ball movement? :lmao
Sheesh.

The margin for error will not be nearly as large in the Finals.

Spurs go for long stretches in which they don't attempt anything but jumpers. Seems like an easy problem to solve, so I'm mystified why we keep seeing this over and over.

And if we settle for this pattern against Miami, then we're giving their defense exactly what they want.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Grizz pulled within 3. It was imperative to attempt to score.
You're not for ball movement? :lmao
Sheesh.

The margin for error will not be nearly as large in the Finals.

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So you don't want Parker with the ball running clock? You would rather have Splitter or Green running the point with 2 minutes. Against a team that can't cover Parker. Genius.
:lmao

Man it's easy just to misstate an argument...

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Originally Posted by pgardn

It is beautiful stuff right now.

Impossible to understand how a true fan of any team could not enjoy the 1st quarter sharing, movement, and screens.

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Good. Or did you mistate this?

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So you don't want Parker with the ball running clock? You would rather have Splitter or Green running the point with 2 minutes. Against a team that can't cover Parker. Genius.

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Straw :rolleyes

Leonard, Splitter and Green have shown they are totally capable of keeping the ball moving. Green in particular has cut his turns wayy down. Leonard can create his own O and is damn good at it.

We blew a 12 point lead.
Now if you want to stop spewing straw and ask if i mind Parker going one on one and getting a good shot off, well under a minute at 89-86? That drive was nails and i loved how he made sure to draw the foul and not throw up some hero attempt. He and GNob also had some boneheaded Hero Ball possessions that they simply are going to have to cease and desist and stay within Team Ball if the Spurs are going to drop Miami.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Good. Or did you mistate this?


Straw :rolleyes

Leonard, Splitter and Green have shown they are totally capable of keeping the ball moving. Green in particular has cut his turns wayy down. Leonard can create his own O and is damn good at it.

We blew a 12 point lead.
Now if you want to stop spewing straw and ask if i mind Parker going one on one and getting a good shot off, well under a minute at 89-86? That drive was nails and i loved how he made sure to draw the foul and not throw up some hero attempt. He and GNob also had some boneheaded Hero Ball possessions that they simply are going to have to cease and desist and stay within Team Ball if the Spurs are going to drop Miami.

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No I do not want Green, Splitter, or Leonard doing primary ball handling to run clock with two minutes. No. Hell no.

Y ou don't know the difference between good ball movement in the majority of a quarter, and good ball movement that results in a wide open 3 running only 14 seconds of clock late when the other teams possessions are in your control. You dont take that shot. limiting the opponents possessions where it makes it impossible to win late is an obvious strategy.

So you move the ball around up by 5 with 30 seconds to play when the opponents ARE NOT doubling or trapping the best ball handler on the team? When Parker can play keep away from one man that can't touch him? Sorry, strategy changes when possessions are limited due to clock and score.

The timing of exactly when this begins is debatable. But less than 2 min left and we are up... I want the ball in Parker's hands unless something breaks wide open. He becomes the distributor and when he is doubled it's Manu and so on until the double and trap. That's how you get lay ups late, when the other team has to gamble. If The opponents don't double Tony and play tight man... It's Tony first. If Tony screws up, we make a mistake with our best ball handler.

I think Parker strikes the perfect balance between ball movement and hero ball, you need both. If you distribute too much the team gets passive (no pun intended). Parker is too talented to not take it to the hole, he has a very high FG%.

I like how Ginobili is doing the other stuff to make up for his bad offense. Hopefully he keeps it up til the offense comes back naturally.

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Originally Posted by skulls138

I think Parker strikes the perfect balance between ball movement and hero ball, you need both. If you distribute too much the team gets passive (no pun intended). Parker is too talented to not take it to the hole, he has a very high FG%.

I like how Ginobili is doing the other stuff to make up for his bad offense. Hopefully he keeps it up til the offense comes back naturally.

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Ginobili just needs to drive to the hole.. Especially when there is slow big man in the paint..

The term "hero ball" should really only apply to one player: K. Bryant. He has played like that consistently over a 17-year career, regardless of how much talent he's surrounded by, and it's generally a ton of talent. When other players are a bit selfish, it's really on occasional possessions. So to me, saying that TP plays hero ball is a joke. He shoots 52% from the floor, which is higher than our team percentage. Bryant, on the other hand, has never shot greater than 46.9% in his entire career, yet he'd rather shoot a 20-foot fadeaway with a hand in his face than pass it to a big whose percentage is 59%.

Here's two posters of many that know what we need -and don't need- to the point out of GNob.

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Originally Posted by skulls138

I like how Ginobili is doing the other stuff to make up for his bad offense. Hopefully he keeps it up til the offense comes back naturally.

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ElNono

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FWIW, in the Grizzlies series, Manu attempted 6.6 shots a game... he basically only took 6 shots on every game except Game 2, where he went 5-9 for 55% shooting... so he's not forcing the issue...which is good. This team can score when the ball moves, and that's exactly what Manu brings to the table...

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GNobs Hero Ball 3 pt chuck with 1:37 in the game and 14 on the shot clock was disturbing.
Followed by Greens semi hero ball defense when he jumped into Ray Allen long after Allen missed what could have been the almost game ending 3-brick.
5 pt lead with the ball became a 2 point lead.

Neals super selfish 3 on 1 trey hork should have resulted in immediate benching.

All in all tho, good game for winnin Ball Movement strategy.

Think you missed a play tbh.

WTF was the Spurs offensive stategy in Game 2?
Parker n Tim pic n roll while the other three players are ordered to go stand around the perimeter and watch? :pop::jack

Throw in several more Ginobili Hero Ball possessions and you got about 50% of the possessions sucking ass.
Go back to Team Ball Movement!