Thomas Robinson....yes, please.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

You're right about Splitter, but he may well be gone. He was also older when he hit the NBA than Davis is now as a 3 year vet. Splitter is not and cannot be the future big for the Spurs. He might play another 6 years with normal care and fitness. Davis could play another 12.

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I agree with you about Splitter's long-term future. But as I said in one of the draft threads, the Spurs aren't going into a completely different phase after Duncan and Ginobili retires. There's going to be about a three- or four-year window in which Parker is still going to be playing pretty well, and players like Splitter and Green are going to be at the top of their games. The Spurs will still be a playoff team in those years, and I doubt the Spurs' front office will try to scrap that to rebuild faster. So I think any young players the Spurs acquire now should be picked up with their near-future in mind instead of distant-future. I think Green will be a good back-court mate with Parker for the rest of Tony's career, and to me, that's worth not picking up Davis, even if Ed will be a star in five to seven years. That doesn't mean they should avoid picking up talent like Davis if they can get it for a good deal, but only that they should try to remain competitive for as long as possible over sacrificing current success for future potential.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Time to open your mouth and change feet yet? Sample size doesn't mean shit.

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I missed the part in hollingers quote about 37% meaning greater than 37%

I mean surely the spurs starting SG would be of greater impact than their backup PF, but that's just my opinion i could be wrong.

I'm positive that sample size is always important. Being adjusted per-minute doesn't mean that sample size doesn't matter.

Ed Davis is better than Robinson at pretty much everything though.

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Originally Posted by Darius McCrary

I missed the part in hollingers quote about 37% meaning greater than 37%

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Did you miss the part about that being our team 3 point average this year? Your drama and subpar sarcasm would lead someone to think he shot 7% and had no business here.

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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSpursFan

I'm positive that sample size is always important. Being adjusted per-minute doesn't mean that sample size doesn't matter.

Ed Davis is better than Robinson at pretty much everything though.

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Agree completely. We're not arguing about who's better out of those two, though. It's about if getting Davis for Green and De Colo (and having to take on Prince's deal) is better than getting Robinson for free. I'd rather have Robinson, as there's little downside and still significant upside.

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Originally Posted by Darius McCrary

I mean surely the spurs starting SG would be of greater impact than their backup PF, but that's just my opinion i could be wrong.

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Jermaine O'Neal was a backup for 4 years in Portland before he starred. He blew up completely when given the chance. SA tried to get him several times, and I'm sure they would have traded any of their late 1990s, early 2000s starting shooting guards for him.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Agree completely. We're not arguing about who's better out of those two, though. It's about if getting Davis for Green and De Colo (and having to take on Prince's deal) is better than getting Robinson for free. I'd rather have Robinson, as there's little downside and still significant upside.

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He was traded midway through his rookie year for a guy picked 10 spots later who was a backup, and he played LESS in Houston than in Sacto, in spite of the fact that their cupboard was essentially bare of PFs after than trade, with Morris and Patterson going out.

Has it occurred to anyone that Sacramento realized he sucked, and now Houston is having that same realization?

Prince is wack & would rather have Thomas Robinson if the price is right. I wouldn't trade Bonner though. He plays too big of a role for us during the regular season & knows the system.

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Originally Posted by DOS CHAINZ

Prince is wack & would rather have Thomas Robinson if the price is right. I wouldn't trade Bonner though. He plays too big of a role for us during the regular season & knows the system.

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Even though I hate Robinson, and don't want the trade, there is no way you get him without Bonner. He's the cap relief that Houston is seeking to pursue FAs this summer.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

He was traded midway through his rookie year for a guy picked 10 spots later who was a backup, and he played LESS in Houston than in Sacto, in spite of the fact that their cupboard was essentially bare of PFs after than trade, with Morris and Patterson going out.

Has it occurred to anyone that Sacramento realized he sucked, and now Houston is having that same realization?

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Yeah, but we can look at how the Kings treated JJ Hickson to see they don't really know how to develop talent. Houston seems to trade a big every year, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd want to move Robinson after just getting him. They'll probably try to trade Asik this off-season, too. That doesn't mean he doesn't suck; it just means that his fate is not sealed.

So I'd take a chance on him becoming a Hickson. Worst case, he's a one-year deal that can be traded during the season. Best case, he'll be a solid-to-better big for at least the next three seasons.

Oh god just glancing through a few posts I see Tayshaun Prince for Danny Green.....

Seriously dude. Danny is 10 years younger than Prince, twice as good of a defender, a better shooter, and a better teammate. You've got to be just trolling.

And Ed Davis? Seriously? He's done nothing in his 3 years in the NBA. Zilch. Why would we want to take on a project on a veteran team? Even the Raptors didn't want him. Jeesh.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Agree completely. We're not arguing about who's better out of those two, though. It's about if getting Davis for Green and De Colo (and having to take on Prince's deal) is better than getting Robinson for free. I'd rather have Robinson, as there's little downside and still significant upside.

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I think Prince is declining, so I'd rather keep Green and De Colo and get Robinson for free. Prince's 3pt% is high, but this is the highest its been in 10 years AND he only shoots them once a game. Danny is 7 years younger, shoots the 3 at a higher percentage at 5 attempts per game, and is a better defender at this stage of their careers.
Davis is a lot better than Robinson though. But for some reason, his RAPM numbers are garbage. Like bottom of the league bad.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Even though I hate Robinson, and don't want the trade, there is no way you get him without Bonner. He's the cap relief that Houston is seeking to pursue FAs this summer.

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The Spurs can trade for him once they get their cap space on the first day of free agency. If they do that, they wouldn't interfere with Houston's attempt to get Howard. If anything, they'd interfere with their own ability to acquire free agents. I'd rather them trade Bonner, but Houston may just want to wait until July.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yeah, but we can look at how the Kings treated JJ Hickson to see they don't really know how to develop talent. Houston seems to trade a big every year, so it doesn't surprise me that they'd want to move Robinson after just getting him. They'll probably try to trade Asik this off-season, too. That doesn't mean he doesn't suck; it just means that his fate is not sealed.

So I'd take a chance on him becoming a Hickson. Worst case, he's a one-year deal that can be traded during the season. Best case, he'll be a solid-to-better big for at least the next three seasons.

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:lol They only had Hickson for like a year. He was drafted by Cleveland and came over in the Casspi trade. If Hickson is your aspiration, it explains your love for the low ceiling that is Thomas Robinson.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The Spurs can trade for him once they get their cap space on the first day of free agency. If they do that, they wouldn't interfere with Houston's attempt to get Howard. If anything, they'd interfere with their own ability to acquire free agents. I'd rather them trade Bonner, but Houston may just want to wait until July.

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If I know Houston, they're going to want to figure in some picks and do it during the draft. Someone will oblige with an ending contract that is like Bonner's, mostly unguaranteed. I doubt Robinson is a Rocket the day after the draft.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

:lol They only had Hickson for like a year. He was drafted by Cleveland and came over in the Casspi trade. If Hickson is your aspiration, it explains your love for the low ceiling that is Thomas Robinson.

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I'd take Hickson for $3 Million for three years any day of the week. I brought him up because the Kings actually gave up a first for him and cut him that same season. They've only developed one big (Thompson), and they've failed several other times.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

If I know Houston, they're going to want to figure in some picks and do it during the draft. Someone will oblige with an ending contract that is like Bonner's, mostly unguaranteed. I doubt Robinson is a Rocket the day after the draft.

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I agree. I was just saying that the Spurs could use cap space on him eventually, which is what I think the poster you quoted originally on this subject meant.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I'd take Hickson for $3 Million for three years any day of the week. I brought him up because the Kings actually gave up a first for him and cut him that same season. They've only developed one big (Thompson), and they've failed several other times.

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You might, but I guaranteed you Pop/RC wouldn't. He's low BBIQ, and plays no defense. Have you notices that Portland doesn't seem at all interested in re-signing him, either?

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Did you miss the part about that being our team 3 point average this year? Your drama and subpar sarcasm would lead someone to think he shot 7% and had no business here.

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And would that average go up or down if you took out Danny Green, Matt Bonner, and replaced them with a 37% shooter? Especially when you consider volume of 3 pointers made between Tay, Danny, and Mamba?!
:rollin Can't believe this is a real conversation, you gotta be trollin, right?

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Originally Posted by exstatic

He's fucking terrible.

If you want to steal a GOOD young big, offer Memphis something they need for something we need:
Green, DeColo and Bonner (cap relief) for Ed Davis and Tayshaun.

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There is no F'ing way we would trade Green as part of that. You are a jackass to propose it. Green is doing very well and is on a very friendly contract. Quit with the STUPID!

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Originally Posted by exstatic

He was traded midway through his rookie year for a guy picked 10 spots later who was a backup, and he played LESS in Houston than in Sacto, in spite of the fact that their cupboard was essentially bare of PFs after than trade, with Morris and Patterson going out.

Has it occurred to anyone that Sacramento realized he sucked, and now Houston is having that same realization?

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Danny Green got cut by the Cavs and passed on by 28 other teams. He's now starting for the Western Conference champions. I'm not saying that Robinson is decent or salvageable, but to pretend that other GMs/coaches know WTF they're doing as far as player potential is not accurate in the slightest. Kawhi should have been a top 3 pick, almost any team would love to have Green right now, and let's not forget how we landed Parker and Manu.

I'd actually like to see Ed Davis work out a bit with our staff. He's only 23, lots of upside.

Robinson is big, athletic, talented. I wouldn't mind having him over Bonner. That said, Bonner has done everything we could ask of him during these playoffs, so now everybody is getting all attached to him. Realistically speaking, this trade should definitely be looked into. His offense might be Tiago-esque, where he's not going to be a pure back to the basket scorer, but would do better in a pick and roll where he can use his athletecism. I'd also take his toughness/rebounding and his age over somebody like Bonner.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Not sure how we got away with that, but I'm OK with it. Fact: he shot 40% from 3 this year, and 37% for his career. If his shot needs a tuneup, we've got the guy.

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So, let's see: a guy who shoots the long ball for a good percentage in February, but who good teams can leave open in the playoffs with no real repercussions. It seems like I've seen that movie before, and I have to say, I want no part of the sequel.