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Getting dumped by Sacto isn't a red flag, because the Sacto front office is awful. Getting shopped by Houston so quickly, on the other hand, is a huge red flag. Houston can certainly make mistakes, but they have a better eye for talent than the majority of the league, and I have to believe that there would be different names being floated if they still liked his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
he sucks so bad, no use in trading for megabusts. He has the size and athleticism to be a starting pf, but he has the brain of a turtle and the hands of an arthritis plagued Kwane Brown.
Like who? Houston has a pretty bare-bones roster going into next season, and they need to have room for Howard. If anything, Houston is trying to move him because they believe they can. That means they at least feel that other teams will be willing to take him off their hands. This isn't like the Spurs offering Jefferson, when they had no hope of actually getting a deal (you know, until they did); if anything, it's more like the Spurs offering Scola for cap relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
Could they find some team under the cap who would take (and cut, I guess?) Royce White if he was packaged with Terrence Jones? White + Jones is almost as much cap as Robinson alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
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Originally Posted by exstatic
I like Ed Davis and can't believe Memphis doesn't play the guy. :lol Hollins I guess. As for Robinson, no way do I want the team taking on extra salary when they don't know if Manu is coming back or not. I obviously want him back, but if he retires I'd rather have the $3.5 million in capspace over Robinson.
You have to factor in another roster charge for this season (taking away $630k of cap space), so the Rockets would only save $2.6 Million. That would make the math a little more tricky. Not to mention that teams may be more inclined to spend $3.5 Million on Robinson rather than $3.2 Million on Jones (since White's dead money would be part of the deal). At his worse, Robinson is still an expiring contract that can be used to bring back an MLE player. Jones doesn't have that same trade power.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
I'm sure they'll have a good idea of that by draft night. They probably know already and RC has created off-season scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
A bigger unknown is if Splitter comes back. Him signing elsewhere would free up $7.5 Million in space, which may be better combined with the Robinson space ($2.5 Million after subtracting Bonner's million-dollar buyout) to go after a legitmate free agent. With Robinson in the fold, the Spurs wouldn't have much beyond the MLE.
Some good points there -- I hadn't thought about the roster charge. The $3.5M vs $2.6M cap hold difference could well be pivotal in having the cap for Howard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
If you get a trade partner that's well under the cap, the $3.2 million for Jones is probably no big deal, right? Because the Rockets could ship out $3M in cash in the deal, and the cap money just comes out of the minimum salary pool anyway? I'm not sure what Terrence Jones's market value is, but if I really liked Robinson, I'd sure try to shop Jones before I gave up Robinson. Unless the cap difference really is the dealbreaker, or they think they can get a comparable-quality piece back for Robinson.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Just saw Manu is planning on playing longer in another thread posted a few minutes ago. I don't think there is anyone for available $10-$12 million who would make up for losing Splitter.
If I had to choice to pay about $3 Million for Robinson or Jones, I'd pick Robinson. I like his potential more, and his contract is more useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by tesseractive
If I were Houston, I'd keep Robinson until I needed space. At worst, I'm sure the Lakers would take him as compensation if Howard decided he was leaving anyway. If they find a way to get Howard through other means, then Robinson and Asik may be enough to get back another star. But Houston never really thinks about that when making their trades. Their GM's pretty apathetic to the players' actual feelings, and he shows little patience in developing young players. I don't consider him moving Robinson for a chance at Howard to be a death knell to Robinson's stock. He'd move Parson's without blinking if that's what it took. Parsons doesn't have a big enough salary to free up the necessary cap space, though.
Yes, I agree with you about Splitter. I was just saying that if the Spurs had to replace Splitter, then $13 Million in space (about the amount the Spurs would have under the projected $60 Million cap) may help the team more than $10 Million and Robinson. But that's definitely debatable. It's possible that Robinson can play the fourth-big role pretty well, and Duncan and Diaw could start with Baynes as the back-up center. Then the cap space could be used to sign free agents, bring Bertans over on a long-term deal and/or get more assets from other teams. Something like that would almost have to happen to make Robinson's salary worth it, as $3.5 Million is too much to pay someone who spends most of his time in Austin.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I'd rather have Jones than Robinson. Jones showed some real flashes last year and could be a nice smallball PF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
And maybe Houston has those same thoughts while not thinking Robinson's a bust. I never know what Morey is thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
So here is the thread I started when the Rockets made Robinson available and said I would love the Spurs to go after him and most here crushed me. Now when the Spurs front office agrees with me...posters change their tune. LMAO.