F this entire F'ing league!

This, right here, is why I quit watching the NBA. And it just made me decide that I'm not watching it next year, either. It's also the reason why we'll be playing the Heat in the Finals, and why we have very little chance of winning it all this time. Anybody who says that the league isn't biased is deluding themselves.

If you're not watching Game 5 of the ECF, watch the Youtube video below. Birdman took a cheap shot on Hansbrough, then turned around and escalated things by getting in Hansbrough's face, and then shoved the shit out of him. Just a few days ago, Nazr Mohammed shoved LeBron EXACTLY the same way, and he got ejected for it. And Nazr didn't commit the cheap shot first, either. Instead of ejecting Birdman, this play wound up with a double technical call on Birdman AND Hansbrough. We can argue about blocks/charges, or any other judgment calls, forever. But there's no debate about this call. When someone does it to Miami, it's an ejection. When Miami does it to someone else, it's just a tech, and the other team gets one too.

The Pacers were still up by 4 at the half, but the refs have taken over the third quarter, and the Heat players have that look on their faces, like they know the fix is in. Get ready to face the Heat, and the zebras, in the Finals. I'm going to follow the Spurs through the Finals, just because I have so much history. But after that, fuck the NBA.

Buh-bye, then...you always were a crybaby bitch, tbh.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt...alnuo1_500.jpg

Fuck the refs, you knock down shots you still win.

to be fair. If BigBird would have been ejected in the 2nd, Haslem would have started tearing Pacers asshole earlier.

I like the Spurs' chances against the Heat..........in a fairly officiated series.

He has a good point though. The calls are all over the place. Can we have some sense?

Miami just doing a "Memphis" on another team with only post scoring. They can't D us up like that.

I'm really losing faith in the officiating of the NBA. For the world's best league there are far too many outright wrong calls being made and favourable treatment of certain teams.

They really fucked up this game

Preemptive excuses are my favorite flavor of exscuse

The Pacers really aren't that good. Their best ball handler is Paul George. Their first guys off the bench wouldn't be on our roster (Hansborough / Augustin).

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Preemptive excuses are my favorite flavor of exscuse

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"Kobe didn't play in the Spurs-Lakers series" :lol

Spurs will deal with Birdman I'm certain. He'll be put to bed if he tries a stunt like that against Duncan & co.

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"Kobe didn't play in the Spurs-Lakers series" :lol

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That wasn't preemptive, it was after the fact.

Okay.. thats surely an ejection and surely the refs got it wrong.

But to say that this game was rigged against the Pacers aint right at all. Their defense was not upto mark in the 3rd quarter and less said of their offense, the better. George Hill had a bad game.. and his backup DJ Augustin should be actually playing alongside Johnny Flynn in Australia and not in the NBA. Such a pathetic backup!

The Pacers are a top-heavy team and if the Heat's backups get going like Haslem (and to an extent Norris Cole not to mention Ray Allen did), they generally are toast.

It is just a surprise as to how they are just 2-3 in the ECF playoffs so far.

You guys are idiots, ball goes off of Lebitch, refs call it Heat ball, Ray Allen hits a 3 and its all over from there.

of course it's rigged

You decided not to watch NBA yet here you are crying? Makes perfect sense.

After review he could possibly get suspended for that.

Go cry somehwere else phaggot.

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You guys are idiots, ball goes off of Lebitch, refs call it Heat ball, Ray Allen hits a 3 and its all over from there.

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Pretty much, the ref was right in front of the play, saw everything clear as day, chose to ignore it and give the ball back to MIA. Indiana was making a comeback up until that point, that one call changed the whole momentum of the game.

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After review he could possibly get suspended for that.

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This is the same team that got away with a flying elbow to Stephenson's head without any penalty at all, there wasn't even a foul called. No way Anderson gets suspended.

:cry the refs made Lebron go apeshit

:cry the refs made Haslem go Ibaka on them

Once again, I don't really think this can be attributed to any bias. Pacers get a shit ton of calls, have all season.

What needs to happen is for the head honchos and officials to get their shit together: there is no sense of consistency in the officiating. Rough play is ignored, while ticky-tack fouls are called all the time. Lebron fouled out in game 4 on what was indeed a foul, but players get away with that kinda thing constantly.

In short, the refs seem clueless, not in on some conspiracy.

Miami is going to be a tired team if they make the finals, Spurs will not.:toast

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Miami is going to be a tired team if they make the finals, Spurs will not.:toast

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you could say Spurs will be rusty as well

everything is pointing to Heat in 6 IMO

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you could say Spurs will be rusty as well

everything is pointing to Heat in 6 IMO

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Yea but the rust will be gone. Spurs in 6

Get ready for a tough series with Miami. That is what this is all about(OP crying about the refs) anyways and nothing else.

Cry me a river. Giving up on your team before the Finals start! Pathetic!

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Okay.. thats surely an ejection and surely the refs got it wrong.

But to say that this game was rigged against the Pacers aint right at all. Their defense was not upto mark in the 3rd quarter and less said of their offense, the better. George Hill had a bad game.. and his backup DJ Augustin should be actually playing alongside Johnny Flynn in Australia and not in the NBA. Such a pathetic backup!

The Pacers are a top-heavy team and if the Heat's backups get going like Haslem (and to an extent Norris Cole not to mention Ray Allen did), they generally are toast.

It is just a surprise as to how they are just 2-3 in the ECF playoffs so far.

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No surprise at all given that they took the Heat to 6 games last year with almost the same squad and Paul George not being as good as he is now.

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No surprise at all given that they took the Heat to 6 games last year with almost the same squad and Paul George not being as good as he is now.

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Well.. last year they had Danny Granger. This season, they did well in the regular season without him but it was always going to be difficult to beat the Heat on paper without their best scorer and no adequate backup for George, despite the latter's spectacular development.

Then, the Heat have improved from last year. They have diversified their offense, become a strong defensive squad in crucial minutes of their games and have also got better in their role player section with the addition of Ray Allen.

Taking all this on board, it is still a surprise that the Pacers are just behind 1 game after 5 games in the ECF.

Imagine if OP was an NBA player? Dude would average more ejections/suspensions/fines than points/rebounds/assists, tbh.

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Well.. last year they had Danny Granger. This season, they did well in the regular season without him but it was always going to be difficult to beat the Heat on paper without their best scorer and no adequate backup for George, despite the latter's spectacular development.

Then, the Heat have improved from last year. They have diversified their offense, become a strong defensive squad in crucial minutes of their games and have also got better in their role player section with the addition of Ray Allen.

Taking all this on board, it is still a surprise that the Pacers are just behind 1 game after 5 games in the ECF.

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Some can make the Rudy Gay comparison with Granger in that the Pacers win percentage improved without him and that Paul George wouldn't have developed nearly as quickly had Granger still been healthy.

Indiana has no offense other than George and Hibbert. Occassionally George Hill will contribute.
The Spurs will space the floor on Miami and cause trouble for them as well as be effective against Birdpoop and Haslem on the inside.

Lebron can do all his damage, the Spurs just need to make sure the other players (Bosh, Allen, Battier....oh, and Wade) are not big contributors.

Spurs in 6!!!

It is bullshit he didn't get ejected, imo.

Funny how everybody thinks offcials control games by the number of fouls when actually its more about timely fouls or missed calls, which kills a teams momentum. Basketball in the NBA is a streaky game.

Foul calls can be even at the end of the game, but the true art of favoritism occurs by calling a play for a particular team at a crucial point in the game or just when the other team is getting ready to make a run. Indiana gets as many or more calls than Miami, but Miami gets the better calls.

If David Stern would have pushed someone over next to Joey Crawford he would have been ejected...

Danny Crawford touches the game with lighter fingers.

Officiating will be among the last of reason why the Spurs lose or even win. It'll come down to whether Wade is coasting or not. If the Heat come into the Finals with Wade playing at the level he is now the Spurs become the favorites. Unfortunately I'm fairly confident he's going to play loads better.

He`ll get his penalty after video review. He shouldnt play in g6. Knowing the league, there wont be Psycho T also.

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Fuck the refs, you knock down shots you still win.

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How many shots did Nazr knock down after he got ejected from that game, asshole?


Birdman cheap-shotted Hansbrough. Then he turned back and got in his face. Then he gave that two-handed full-force shove, out in the open. And THEN he physically wrestled with a ref who was trying to separate them - that alone should have been an ejection and suspension of 1 game. And then, after the ref got him all the way back to the bench, he STILL kept the barking up, which normally would be more than enough by itself to get a second T called.

Forget everything else that happened. Just that wrestling match with the ref, and the continued barking afterwards, would have gotten any player on most teams booted from the game. My complaint has nothing to do with the Spurs - it's about the ridiculous inconsistency in the league. You want to defend something indefensible? Go right ahead and prove what a dumb shit you are. Every sports outlet in the country is going to agree with me tomorrow. And many, if not most, will be asking why Nazr got booted and Andersen didn't.

if hansbrough pulled a Lebron and fell like a bitch, he could have gotten Birdman tossed. but since he stayed on his feet it became a double technical :lol

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Okay.. thats surely an ejection and surely the refs got it wrong.

But to say that this game was rigged against the Pacers aint right at all.

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I didn't say they rigged anything against the Pacers. They let a player stay in the game, when any other time he would have been ejected. And then they got caught up with the crowd in the third, and changed the entire momentum of the game with some very inconsistent whistles.

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You decided not to watch NBA yet here you are crying? Makes perfect sense.

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The final straw for me last year, that made me say "enough"? It was the Pacers - Heat series in the second round. Nothing to do with the Spurs, or the Pacers, really. Just the fact that the refs absolutely fucked Indy out of two games with some unforgivable whistles. After that, Miami got Bosh back, and they were unstoppable in the Finals. But they never got that far on their own.

Last game, the refs "missed" that ball bouncing off the rim, and didn't re-set the shot clock for the Pacers. All three refs didn't see a ball hit the rim and bounce upwards? Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't mean they have to be intentionally throwing games to Miami. But they see things a certain way too often. Maybe it's just expectations, and they think the Pacers don't measure up, just like a lot of the people posting here. But that's why they play the game.

When I was in college, I worked for a couple of guys who owned an auto parts store. They used to wager on professional wrestling. I'm talking about hundreds of dollars on a single match, and multiple matches per night, on the fucking WWF. They were ignorant cocksuckers, sort of like you. (Why the fuck are you even here, instead of some Knicks forum?) There were too many calls in last year's series that I just couldn't pass off as bad luck for the Pacers (sort of like the missed shot clock call last game). There were a few other reasons that I finally had enough, and when the boring offseason comes around, I'll discuss some of them. But tonight, that ref wrestling Andersen back to his bench, and then letting him continue the barking like he did - he was way, way the fuck outside the norm for NBA officiating. And he wouldn't have handled it the same way if it wasn't Miami at home. He just wouldn't.

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This, right here, is why I quit watching the NBA. And it just made me decide that I'm not watching it next year, either. It's also the reason why we'll be playing the Heat in the Finals, and why we have very little chance of winning it all this time. Anybody who says that the league isn't biased is deluding themselves.

If you're not watching Game 5 of the ECF, watch the Youtube video below. Birdman took a cheap shot on Hansbrough, then turned around and escalated things by getting in Hansbrough's face, and then shoved the shit out of him. Just a few days ago, Nazr Mohammed shoved LeBron EXACTLY the same way, and he got ejected for it. And Nazr didn't commit the cheap shot first, either. Instead of ejecting Birdman, this play wound up with a double technical call on Birdman AND Hansbrough. We can argue about blocks/charges, or any other judgment calls, forever. But there's no debate about this call. When someone does it to Miami, it's an ejection. When Miami does it to someone else, it's just a tech, and the other team gets one too.

The Pacers were still up by 4 at the half, but the refs have taken over the third quarter, and the Heat players have that look on their faces, like they know the fix is in. Get ready to face the Heat, and the zebras, in the Finals. I'm going to follow the Spurs through the Finals, just because I have so much history. But after that, fuck the NBA.

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So you will stop posting on Spurstalk?

Please?

2 questions:

1)Why the hell is Chris Bosh shooting 3's

2) And why is Chris Bosh averaging an ancient Antonio Mcdyess level of rebounds?

Carry on

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You guys are idiots, ball goes off of Lebitch, refs call it Heat ball, Ray Allen hits a 3 and its all over from there.

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I was going to bring this up.

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2 questions:

1)Why the hell is Chris Bosh shooting 3's

2) And why is Chris Bosh averaging an ancient Antonio Mcdyess level of rebounds?

Carry on

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That annoys the crap out of me. It bothers me even more he's making them for some reason. Ugh

man the fuck up you pussy, gtfo with these pms threads.

:cry i'm not gonna watch basketball anymore that'll show that corrupt league :cry



please

Watch Birdman get suspended for Game 6.

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How many shots did Nazr knock down after he got ejected from that game, asshole?


Birdman cheap-shotted Hansbrough. Then he turned back and got in his face. Then he gave that two-handed full-force shove, out in the open. And THEN he physically wrestled with a ref who was trying to separate them - that alone should have been an ejection and suspension of 1 game. And then, after the ref got him all the way back to the bench, he STILL kept the barking up, which normally would be more than enough by itself to get a second T called.

Forget everything else that happened. Just that wrestling match with the ref, and the continued barking afterwards, would have gotten any player on most teams booted from the game. My complaint has nothing to do with the Spurs - it's about the ridiculous inconsistency in the league. You want to defend something indefensible? Go right ahead and prove what a dumb shit you are. Every sports outlet in the country is going to agree with me tomorrow. And many, if not most, will be asking why Nazr got booted and Andersen didn't.

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I am referring to the team making shots, Nazr getting tossed should not be a big issue considering his role on the team. Take your crying ass and go watch Tennis, pussy.

From NBA.com. BTW - recognize the ref? People here like him because he doesn't have such a hard-on for the Spurs. The Mavs are 1-16 in the playoffs when Dan Crawford is officiating. But, hey, I'm sure they probably just have an off night EVERY time he's on the floor.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...s=iref:nbahpts

So Andersen delivers two blows — both of which sure looked to be “unnecessary” and “excessive” — and yet, upon review, gets slapped only with a flagrant-1 foul. But the skirmish wasn’t over.

One of the referees, Davis, gets in front of Andersen and moves him backward away from Hansbrough to stop a possible escalation of the beef. What does Andersen do? He pushes back. He grabs Davis’ wrist with his right hand. He pushes on the referee’s arm with his left. All of this physical contact with a game official because he’s steamed, because he didn’t like getting bumped from behind or because, in some misguided way, he’s trying to ignite (incite?) his Heat teammates and/or the crowd at AmericanAirlines Arena.

That was the most disturbing thing about the incident. Andersen did enough to be ejected then — or, a little late, suspended now for one game — with his hits on Hansbrough. But he crossed the line by getting physical with Davis.

No way should any NBA referee be subject to that sort of wrestling or manhandling, lest people assume they’re just part of the act in Andersen’s dumb WWE display.

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From NBA.com. BTW - recognize the ref? People here like him because he doesn't have such a hard-on for the Spurs. The Mavs are 1-16 in the playoffs when Dan Crawford is officiating. But, hey, I'm sure they probably just have an off night EVERY time he's on the floor.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...s=iref:nbahpts

So Andersen delivers two blows — both of which sure looked to be “unnecessary” and “excessive” — and yet, upon review, gets slapped only with a flagrant-1 foul. But the skirmish wasn’t over.

One of the referees, Davis, gets in front of Andersen and moves him backward away from Hansbrough to stop a possible escalation of the beef. What does Andersen do? He pushes back. He grabs Davis’ wrist with his right hand. He pushes on the referee’s arm with his left. All of this physical contact with a game official because he’s steamed, because he didn’t like getting bumped from behind or because, in some misguided way, he’s trying to ignite (incite?) his Heat teammates and/or the crowd at AmericanAirlines Arena.

That was the most disturbing thing about the incident. Andersen did enough to be ejected then — or, a little late, suspended now for one game — with his hits on Hansbrough. But he crossed the line by getting physical with Davis.

No way should any NBA referee be subject to that sort of wrestling or manhandling, lest people assume they’re just part of the act in Andersen’s dumb WWE display.

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This was actually the part that should have made it an easy ejection call. Players get ejected for pumping refs, Andersen was freakin' pushing/wrestling with the guy.

The refs last night were cowards at best, colluding at worst.

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Funny how everybody thinks offcials control games by the number of fouls when actually its more about timely fouls or missed calls, which kills a teams momentum. Basketball in the NBA is a streaky game.

Foul calls can be even at the end of the game, but the true art of favoritism occurs by calling a play for a particular team at a crucial point in the game or just when the other team is getting ready to make a run. Indiana gets as many or more calls than Miami, but Miami gets the better calls.

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+100 ........ dude .. you actually get it.

Shitty/inconsistent =/= league wide conspiracy. I thought you stopped watching the NBA cause they carry the ball too much.

The league is officiated, managed, and the rules are altered to make the game as exciting as possible and for teams w/ superstars to succeed. It's also the best basketball to watch. Period.

Cry more.

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I like the Spurs' chances against the Heat..........in a fairly officiated series.

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Same. But a fairly officiated series against LeBron's Heat will never happen. At minimum it will be 55/45 in their favor if not 60/40. . .we all know it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LT_C7o5ZGM

:cry fuck this corrupt league, i'm not watching this anymore :cry

The NBA has terrible officials. The main goal of referees/umpires in any sport is to be CONSISTENT they way the rules are enforced. In baseball you want a consistent strike zone. in NFL you want pass interference called the same for both teams. That is what they are supposed to do so the players know what rules they are playing under. I think we can all agree that the NBA refs are the worst in any major sport, by far. It just makes no sense how they do what they do. When you watch college basketball they do a pretty good job of keeping things fair. Why does the NBA have to be such a joke on this issue?

After Tim Donaghy you can't really be surprised by anything, not to mention the congressional enquiry. But I think you have to remember that Donaghy was paid by GAMBLERS who were fixing games or other specific outcomes in games. Sometimes it was the over/under and Donaghy wasn't trying to determine who won the game, only the total score. To keep the score down, they put one of the best players in foul trouble early etc. Fans always think that Stern is fixing games for ratings, but Donaghy was involved with gamblers, and only tried to implicate Stern when he was desperate and trying to drag everyone down. All of the FBI investigation dealt with mafia and gambling interests that were influencing Donaghy and maybe others.

My point is that the NBA has shady refs, but you shouldn't assume Stern is behind it all. At any given moment a ref might be getting paid to influence the game in any direction. They might want one team to win game 5 in a series, and the other team the next game. Or they might be trying to slow down or speed up a game to influence the over/under. I think the NBA needs to re-vamp their whole officiating system and bring in independent review with credibility.

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This, right here, is why I quit watching the NBA. And it just made me decide that I'm not watching it next year, either. It's also the reason why we'll be playing the Heat in the Finals, and why we have very little chance of winning it all this time. Anybody who says that the league isn't biased is deluding themselves.

If you're not watching Game 5 of the ECF, watch the Youtube video below. Birdman took a cheap shot on Hansbrough, then turned around and escalated things by getting in Hansbrough's face, and then shoved the shit out of him. Just a few days ago, Nazr Mohammed shoved LeBron EXACTLY the same way, and he got ejected for it. And Nazr didn't commit the cheap shot first, either. Instead of ejecting Birdman, this play wound up with a double technical call on Birdman AND Hansbrough. We can argue about blocks/charges, or any other judgment calls, forever. But there's no debate about this call. When someone does it to Miami, it's an ejection. When Miami does it to someone else, it's just a tech, and the other team gets one too.

The Pacers were still up by 4 at the half, but the refs have taken over the third quarter, and the Heat players have that look on their faces, like they know the fix is in. Get ready to face the Heat, and the zebras, in the Finals. I'm going to follow the Spurs through the Finals, just because I have so much history. But after that, fuck the NBA.

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Preach. Anderson should have been ejected immediately.

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I'm really losing faith in the officiating of the NBA.

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What took you so long to start losing faith in the NBA officiating? They have been crooked and bad for years, after Donahy came out with his story it was just made more official on how bad they are or biased.

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What took you so long to start losing faith in the NBA officiating? They have been crooked and bad for years, after Donahy came out with his story it was just made more official on how bad they are or biased.

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you gotta give Stern credit though, most commish's would've been toast, along with their leagues, if a ref was found fixing games for the mob, especially if the ref was rated highly like Donaghy. yet somehow Stern was able to spin it that Donaghy was a lone incident, just ratting out whoever to save face. I can't think of another commish who seems to incite conscpiracy theories like Stern.

to the OP's point, I don't think the league is rigged so much as it is biased. Rigged is a loaded word, and there's too many people involved with competing interests, but I do think the league doesn't give a shit about objectivity or consistency, it's biased towards the :greedy:greedy.

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you gotta give Stern credit though, most commish's would've been toast, along with their leagues, if a ref was found fixing games for the mob, especially if the ref was rated highly like Donaghy. yet somehow Stern was able to spin it that Donaghy was a lone incident, just ratting out whoever to save face. I can't think of another commish who seems to incite conscpiracy theories like Stern.

to the OP's point, I don't think the league is rigged so much as it is biased. Rigged is a loaded word, and there's too many people involved with competing interests, but I do think the league doesn't give a shit about objectivity or consistency, it's biased towards the :greedy:greedy.

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I will give him credit for that, but thats not necessarily a good thing for the commish to get credit for lol! It's all a business at the end of the day though. I remember a player this year coming out and saying Stern doesn't want the Spurs to win (Kaman?), so most know whats up. I agree at the last part too, dollar signs.

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Funny how everybody thinks offcials control games by the number of fouls when actually its more about timely fouls or missed calls, which kills a teams momentum. Basketball in the NBA is a streaky game.

Foul calls can be even at the end of the game, but the true art of favoritism occurs by calling a play for a particular team at a crucial point in the game or just when the other team is getting ready to make a run. Indiana gets as many or more calls than Miami, but Miami gets the better calls.

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This right here.


To the casual eye you might think oh well the refs are giving both sides calls..


But the ones with more impact are for the Heat.

Like this fukken suspension. Sure it's a nice make up call... after the fact.. that Anderson is suspended for games 6.


But if he got ejected, maybe Miami loses game 5 which is always pivotal... and games 6 is in Indiana for an elimination game.

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That wasn't preemptive, it was after the fact.

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Its still being a whinny little bitch...just sayin

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The NBA has terrible officials. The main goal of referees/umpires in any sport is to be CONSISTENT they way the rules are enforced. In baseball you want a consistent strike zone. in NFL you want pass interference called the same for both teams. That is what they are supposed to do so the players know what rules they are playing under. I think we can all agree that the NBA refs are the worst in any major sport, by far. It just makes no sense how they do what they do. When you watch college basketball they do a pretty good job of keeping things fair. Why does the NBA have to be such a joke on this issue?

After Tim Donaghy you can't really be surprised by anything, not to mention the congressional enquiry. But I think you have to remember that Donaghy was paid by GAMBLERS who were fixing games or other specific outcomes in games. Sometimes it was the over/under and Donaghy wasn't trying to determine who won the game, only the total score. To keep the score down, they put one of the best players in foul trouble early etc. Fans always think that Stern is fixing games for ratings, but Donaghy was involved with gamblers, and only tried to implicate Stern when he was desperate and trying to drag everyone down. All of the FBI investigation dealt with mafia and gambling interests that were influencing Donaghy and maybe others.

My point is that the NBA has shady refs, but you shouldn't assume Stern is behind it all. At any given moment a ref might be getting paid to influence the game in any direction. They might want one team to win game 5 in a series, and the other team the next game. Or they might be trying to slow down or speed up a game to influence the over/under. I think the NBA needs to re-vamp their whole officiating system and bring in independent review with credibility.

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+1
And even if they're not being payed off, theyre extremely inconsistent

So they suspended Andersen. There was never any question about that, and Stern really had no choice. What Stern needs to investigate is why he has referees who are so willing to abandon the rules, and the intent of the rules. If they really want to take a step to shore up their credibility, they can start by making sure that no one named Crawford officiates the rest of these playoffs. Everybody knows that Joey Crawford is a wildcard, and manages to inject himself into the results of far too many games. But Dan Crawford is another matter. His sloppy officiating seems to run in some specific directions.

Most people here probably know about Crawford and the Mavs. Dallas is 1-16 in playoff games officiated by Dan Crawford. During that same period, their winning percentage in game not officiated by Crawford is something like 63% (I don't have the game count handy). But they win about 2/3 of the time when Crawford isn't there, and about 1/16 of the time when he is there.

But not many people talk about his record officiating playoff games for Miami. Since 1994, the Heat are 13-3 in playoff games officiated by Dan Crawford, and 48-40 in all the playoff games not officiated by Crawford. (As of last season.) In other words, they have been about a .500 team without Dan Crawford, and almost unbeatable with him. And it gets even more incredible, when you look at their record vs. the spread during that period. (Those of you who know anything about basketball understand that beating the spread significantly, over a long period of time, just isn't done. Those who don't... show your ignorance and flame away.)

Put those two things together - the unlikely bad record Dallas has under him, plus the amazingly good record Miami has with him. It begins to strain logic pretty damned bad. Here's a pretty good article from ESPN (Truehoop) that details it pretty well. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/mia...he-1-9-percent

As I said last night, Crawford's effort to try and get Andersen out of harm's way is highly unusual. But for him to allow Birdshit to wrestle with him, and then keep barking after they were separated? That's too much. NBA refs just don't put up with that shit. And Stern explicitly doesn't want them putting up with it. Dan Crawford volunteered for that assignment. I don't know that it matters why. What does matter is how often his bad officiating winds up going in specific directions.

im not happy with any of this. Being reactive doesn't make any sense as the game has already been played and won or lost. The decision on the floor has consequences that cannot be understated.

So they suspended Andersen for game 6, a game that Indiana can win, so the impact in theory is less than if he was to be suspended for a hypothetical game 7 in Miami.

What the league needs to do (if the refs are incapable as it seems) is to define clear rules - with videos and everything. I know it sounds silly, but if player X shoves player Y then you need to determine whether it could even be a F1, an ejection, or a simple foul. You can't have such disparity from one crew to another. It has game changing consequences.

Please NBA clean this shit up fast before the finals.

Something tells me that you are a lazy loser who gives up too easily.... Let me guess..... you still live with your mom? Not a good thing if you are over 20!